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Saint Seiya Seiya Discussion Thread

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Matthew Schroeder said:
In all the franchise, they say that the Big Bang created the Universe.
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The big bang is the origin of the universe. But it is unknown whether it was natural or a god release the big bang.

Matthew Schroeder said:
In the Hypermyth, it is said that Chronos, the God of Time, created the universe, causing the Big Bang to happen. However, as Chronos and Cronus are written identically in japanese, this generated confusion to fans who many still believe that it was Cronus who caused the Big Bang. This is not at all helped by the Hypermyth stating "In Greek Mythology, the God who is the father of Zeus is also named Chronos / Cronus".
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That is only Indicated in the former edition of Hypermith (published in the Cosmos Special in the August 10, 1988). Which they had errors as gods who were born as human. In the manga indicates that the gods born as a gods, and a human not can become a god.

The new edition of Hypermith (published in Monthly Comic Tokumori Soshu-hen Saint Seiya - Volume 1 on November 19, 2001) eliminates all errors.
- In this new edition updated the story of Zeus (or gods as human) is removed.
- The story of Cronus as the god who unleashed the big bang is removed.
- The story of Poseidon against Athena.
- The story of the Black Saints.
 
^ That as well, though it is evident that Chronos must have existed since before the Big Bang, as he is space-time itself, and within all the Macrocosmos, as well as transcending space-time.
 
^Chronus is a mysterious god of which were not disclosed many details.
- In Next Dimension not indicate how old is Chronus.
- Nor they indicate that is older than the time.

The concept that governs or embodying a god existed before that him.
- Hades embodies and governs all life and death. Life and death existed before that the god, Hades.

In SS all past events is unknown.
- The event oldest known in SS is the Titanomachy.

The big bang gave rise to all the that exists, even time and space.
 
A event related as the Titanomachy (or time of the Titans and Primordial Gods) and after of the big bang.

In Saint Seiya is unknown the events of the origin of the universe or the big bang. It is not known that existed before of the universe.

Iapetos indicates that only exists the matter known as the Chaos (the matter formed by the combination of the life, death, light, fire, etc.).
 
Lancelot de Cancer said:
That is only Indicated in the former edition of Hypermith (published in the Cosmos Special in the August 10, 1988). Which they had errors as gods who were born as human. In the manga indicates that the gods born as a gods, and a human not can become a god.

The new edition of Hypermith (published in Monthly Comic Tokumori Soshu-hen Saint Seiya - Volume 1 on November 19, 2001) eliminates all errors.
- In this new edition updated the story of Zeus (or gods as human) is removed.
- The story of Cronus as the god who unleashed the big bang is removed.
- The story of Poseidon against Athena.
- The story of the Black Saints.
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can you drop me the link to new edition of Hypermith?
 
Shining Trapezohedron said:
Where does it mention" Big Will" in the HyperMyth ???
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It is only mentioned in the former version of Hypermith where humans (Zeus, Poseidon, Hades) became gods. In the new version of the Hypermith is removed the mention of the "Big Will".

The "Big Will" not exist in Saint Seiya. In Episode G is said that a human not can become in god.
 
Lancelot de Cancer said:
Apollo (Saint Seiya)
In the Magazine Figure Oh No. 220, "Special 30 years of Saint Seiya" (published the last month). It indicates that Apollo only erase the memory of Seiya and Athena.

Image: Apollo - Official Data (translated in Brazilian Portuguese)
LinK: Twitter taizen-saintseiya / taizen-saintseiya

Translated:
The God of the Sun, older brother of Artemis and Athena. He appeared at the end of the decisive battle between Artemisa and Seiya, erasing the memories of Saori and Seiya.
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OBD has Apollo listed as a Nigh-Omnipotent being. Does anyone know why?
 
Mostly Hype.

Though it is clear that Apollo destroyed everything with his attack, though the extent of it is unknown.
 
Jjp7123 said:
OBD has Apollo listed as a Nigh-Omnipotent being. Does anyone know why?
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I have not idea. Although Apollo is most stronger than Athena or Zeus in his participation in Overture (Athena indicates that it is insignificant compared with Apollo).

Athena fight with Hades (in the Classic) that is equal of strong that Zeus.
 
No, Zeus is clearly the strongest of all the Olympians.

He defeated Typhon, who was stronger than the other 11 Olympians combined.
 
Typhon never fight with Hades or Poseidon (only I face the rest of the olympus gods [unknown who were]). Hades or Poseidon could defeat Typhon.

In the Gigantomachia it indicated that Athena and the Saints defeated Typhon and Gigas in an ancient Holy War. In this Holy War destroyed the body of Typhon and eliminated almost all Gigas (only survived 8 Gigas).

In the Classic Manga by Thanatos it indicates that Zeus, Poseidon and Hades were equally strong. Poseidon, Hades and Zeus are the three gods or three kings their power equals and surpasses that of all gods.
 
Not true.

The Taizen Encyclopedia puts both Poseidon and Hades among the 12 Olympians.

In Lost Canvas, you can clearly see Poseidon among the Olympians fighting Typhon
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Hades and Poseidon are part of the Olympic God but in Saint Seiya they never remained on Olympus. Hades always lived in the Mekai. Poseidon always lived on earth and the oceans. In his battle against Typhoon it never indicated that they were Hades or Poseidon.

In the Gigantomachia it indicated that Typhoon and the Gigas was defeated by the Saints and Athena in a Holy War.

Lost Canvas is not canon to the manga or anime classic.
 
Yes, there was a Holy War against Typhon, but it wasn't the same war that the Olympian Gods fought in. This is even mentioned in the Hypermyth, which to this day is taken as inspiration for many of Saint Seiya's mangas.

Saying that Poseidon and Hades don't count as Olympian Gods is illogical, specially when Kurumada himself called them Olympian Gods in his Canonical Encyclopedia.
 
The Gigas and Typhon are weaker than the Saints and Athena (why they were defeated in the past). This is written in the Novel Gigantomachia and the fight between the Gigas and the Saints is narrated at the beginning of Manga Classic. The old edition of Hypermith not taken into account in any canon work of SS .

In the Classic Manga it indicated by Thanatos that Hades, Poseidon and Zeus are equally of strong. This is the main canon of Kurumada by his own hand.
 
There is something called Retcons and contradictions. Every franchise has it. You can't ignore Episode G, Gigantomachia and the Taizen Encyclopedia, which are all canon.
 
- In the Gigantomachia (novel) it indicated that Typhon was defeated by Athena and the Saints in the past. Typhoon and Gigas are most weaker than Athena and the Saints.
- In Episode G never mentioned that Hades or Poseidon fight against Typhon.
- In the Taizen not mentioned anything of Typhon.

In the Manga Classic and main canon of Saint Seiya (by Kurumada) it indicates that are equally strong. In the manga it indicates that the Sword of Hades is more powerful than the Lightning (Keraunos) of Zeus
 
Strange how they listed Apollo as Omnipotent and not Zeus. WOG stated that with the Hypermyth, Zeus burned his cosmo to the Point that he became "Omnipotent", whereas with Apollo, a character who appears for only 5 minutes, erases someone's memories, never seen in the series again, and is suddenly one of the most powerful characters in fiction? WTF? Did I miss something? How does erasing someone's memory make you Nigh-Omnipotent?
 
Jjp7123 said:
Strange how they listed Apollo as Omnipotent and not Zeus. WOG stated that with the Hypermyth, Zeus burned his cosmo to the Point that he became "Omnipotent", whereas with Apollo, a character who appears for only 5 minutes, erases someone's memories, never seen in the series again, and is suddenly one of the most powerful characters in fiction? WTF? Did I miss something? How does erasing someone's memory make you Nigh-Omnipotent?
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you should just ignore OBD they`r wiki is terrible
 
They never say that the Sword of Hades is more powerful than Zeus' Lightning.

Episode G makes it clear that Zeus is the most powerful of the Gods, and that the Keraunos is an incredible attack.

@Jip

The theory that US Versus Forums came up with was that Apollo blew up the Universe, and then rebooted it.
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
They never say that the Sword of Hades is more powerful than Zeus' Lightning.
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it`s stated tho. the uurn athena was in was said that not even zeus lighting could destroy while hades sword could sever it
 
^ It is not an inconsistency. The Kurumada himself always indicated that the three great gods were equally of strong.

Matthew Schroeder said:
They never say that the Sword of Hades is more powerful than Zeus' Lightning.
Episode G makes it clear that Zeus is the most powerful of the Gods, and that the Keraunos is an incredible attack.
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In the Manga Classic it indicates (by Tanathos) that the Urn (where Athena was caught) neither the Lightning (Keraunos) of Zeus could destroy it. The Sword of Hades could easily cut the Urn.

In the Classic Manga it mentioned that are equally of strong.
 
i do belive that typhone is stronger than any olympus (save for zeus)

otherwise hades>typhone>cronus and this doesn`t make sense imo
 
In the Classic Manga it never is mentioned a number of Cloths (only indicates that are 88 Saints [with 12 Gold Saints])

The Classic Manga is the main canon of SS. The work written by Kurumada.

In the Classic Manga, Gigantomachia, Episode G is:

Hades (real body and surplice) >>> Athena and the Saints (not God Saints) >>> Typhon and Gigas.
 
If Hades's sword is stronger than Zeus, than Hades is stronger than Zeus.

This would make Hades > Zeus > Typhon > Cronus, yet somehow Hades can be killed by Athena.

That is nonsensical, and we can't attach ourselves to every detail of a 30 year old manga, when numerous newer works have been added to the franchise.

General inconsistencies, even if they come from the Classic Manga, should be overlooked.
 
hades was killed by athena aswell @Lancelot

main characters in saint seiya usually get plot device upgrade against such formidable oppenets
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
If Hades's sword is stronger than Zeus, than Hades is stronger than Zeus. This would make Hades > Zeus > Typhon > Cronus, yet somehow Hades can be killed by Athena.
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Hades was only defeated by Athena and 5 God Saints with a cosmos elevated to the infinite.

In the Gigantomachia, Typhoon and the Gigas were defeated by Athena and the Saints (not God Saints).

Athena and 5 God Saints >>> Athena and some Saints.

In the Classic Manga it indicates that Zeus, Poseidon and Hades are equally strong.

Zeus / Poseidon / Hades > Cronus > Typhon

That is nonsensical, and we can't attach ourselves to every detail of a 30 year old manga, when numerous newer works have been added to the franchise.
That old manga is the main canon of SS. The writing of Kurumada alwaes is more important in SS than any other author.
 
Victor2 said:
Jjp7123 said:
Strange how they listed Apollo as Omnipotent and not Zeus. WOG stated that with the Hypermyth, Zeus burned his cosmo to the Point that he became "Omnipotent", whereas with Apollo, a character who appears for only 5 minutes, erases someone's memories, never seen in the series again, and is suddenly one of the most powerful characters in fictionbute? WTF? Did I miss something? How does erasing someone's memory make you Nigh-Omnipotent?
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you should just ignore OBD they`r wiki is terrible
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Yeah, I'm starting to realize that.(They think Gemini Saga is a Universe buster). Though I heard it had something to do with Apollo ranking above Hades, and being someone's successor (Forgot who). Hence why they listed him with abilities like dimensional manipulation and illusion manipulation. Anyone got a clue?
 
in series they call saints "saints" not god saints like we do. we do it for specific reasons the authors don`t. we only know tyhpone was defeated by saints and athena herself who herself is above poseidon (in human body).
 
@jip imo OBD is not the most creadible source for saint seiya.

they hype up saga to be the strongest saint despite shaka, dokho, shion showing superioity against him.
 
SF latif said:
in series they call saints "saints" not god saints like we do. we do it for specific reasons the authors don`t. we only know tyhpone was defeated by saints and athena herself who herself is above poseidon (in human body).
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In the present he was defeated by Mei and the Saints (Seiya and company) with his normal Cloths (in the Gigantomachia). In the past was defeated by Athena and Saints (never indicated anything of God Cloths).

Athena never defeated to Poseidon in a human body. Athena needed the Amphora for seal to Poseidon. Amphora is a divine relic to seal gods.
 
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