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Saint Seiya Seiya Discussion Thread

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Because the protagonists need to fight stronger characters as the story progresses, so because of that most people in the 18th Century could give the likes of Saga a run for their money.
 
Shining Trapezohedron said:
How is is that the previous generation of Gold Saints seem to be stronger than the next generation of Gold saints ???? Is it because of training ???
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Not all Gold Saints of el eighteenth century are most stronger.

  • Shijima is most weaker than Shaka.
  • Dohko (rookie) is most weaker than in the future.
  • Shion (rookie) is most weaker than Mu.
  • DeathToll is most weaker than que DeathMask.
  • Cardinale is equal of strong that Aphro.
  • Kaizer is equal of strong that Aiolia.
  • Mystoria is equal of strong that Camus.
The only ones Gold Saints that are most stronger:

  • Cain is most strong that Saga.
  • Izou is most strong that Shura.
  • Ox is most strong that Aldebaran.
 
Deathtoll is stronger than Deathmask wtf. He crushed a Specter with his bum and has the insane hax of Omerta. I'd say Cardinale is stronger than Aphrodite, though probably not by much since he was offed by snakes of all things. Kaizer beat the hell out of all the Specters that gave Aiolia a tough time and beat Ikki, although the latter was probably slightly holding back.

As for Ophiuchus, well, he shaked an entire universe just by waking up, so he's dang powerful.
 
I wish we can read Next Dimension further, I wanna see Ophiuchus appear and fight, damn it. Does anyone here have read some of the next chapter of the N.D yet?????
 
Tivanenk said:
Deathtoll is stronger than Deathmask wtf. He crushed a Specter with his bum and has the insane hax of Omerta. I'd say Cardinale is stronger than Aphrodite, though probably not by much since he was offed by snakes of all things. Kaizer beat the hell out of all the Specters that gave Aiolia a tough time and beat Ikki, although the latter was probably slightly holding back.
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The omerta is an extra equipment (which has nothing to do with the power of the character). Defeating one Specter not is a problem for a Gold Saint who can defeat entire squads with a single attack. The Specters not are opponents for the Gold Saints. Only Meikai Sankyotō, Deep, Papillon or Sphinx they are at the level of a Gold Saint.

Deathmask is one of the most strongest Gold Saints in terms of brute force. Deathmask injure with a hit to Aiolia and also would kill to Mu with a hit. The brute force of Deathmask can overcome the defense of the Gold Cloth.

Cardinale did not demonstrate anything for indicate that is most stronger that Aphro. The snakes that attacked to Cardinale, were sent to end the goddess (were the snakes or the heralds most powerful of Ophiuchus).

Aioria easily defeated Raimi (when fight seriously). Aioria defeated five Specters with a single attack and the rest of the Specters was afraid to fight. He could have defeated the entire squad of Specters with a single attack. Aioria in the Classic Manga was mentioned that is one of the most powerful Gold Saint. Kaiser not showed nothing that Aioria not could do.

Shining Trapezohedron said:
I believe that Kaiser is stronger than Aiolia (without Photon Burst) but I am not so sure about that. Gotta have to read Next Dimension again.
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The version mature of Aioria never used the Photom Burts. The technique is obsolete and would become in the Lightning Bolt (perfect).
 
It is such a shame that Photon Burst was never used again. I believe that Kaiser also had another technique that is equal to Photon Burst if not stronger but who knows if he had it or not. It would cool to see Kaiser used Photon Burst just for kicks. He would overkilled one of the judges of the underworld easily.

But regarding something, Is Saga powerful enough to defeat Rhadamanthys ???
 
Deathmask and Aphrodite are the weakest Gold Saints, and both Deathtoll and Cardinale are superior to either. Mtstoria is superior to Camus and Shijima is above classic Shaka
 
The reason for that to be in his profile is because if you have watch the movie. Seiya at the last moment managed to burn his Cosmos wayyyyyy past the limit of 8th Sense and achieve the Divine 9th sense to combat Apollo.
 
No, Deathtoll is stronger. Aldebaran died in an encounter with a Specter and Deathmask is weaker than him who got no sold by Mu easily. Deathtoll actually takes on Specters.

And Kaiser easily defeated like 10 specters at once or so. Stronger than Aiolia.
 
Gold saints were heavily weakened in Hades"s castle but 3 judges are equal to high tier gold saints still

If Ophiuchus only nearly reached God lvl then logically he shouldn't be able to cross hyperdimension which means whatever he does scales to Thanatos and Hypnos right?
 
He's a demi-god and the reincarnation of Apollo's son. Of course he can cross the hyperdimension, he has divine blood. Just like Sigurd from Assassin.
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
Deathmask and Aphrodite are the weakest Gold Saints, and both Deathtoll and Cardinale are superior to either. Mtstoria is superior to Camus and Shijima is above classic Shaka
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Not Camus and Shura are the weakest Gold Saint in the Clasicc Manga. Camus not has the absolute zero, therefore it is the weakest Gold Saint. Nowhere in the Manga indicated that Deathmask or Aphro are weak.

Mystoria is equally weak that Camus. Unless Mytoria possesses absolute zero.

Shaka admits Shijima That is the strongest. Shaka That it was only a projection of the cosmos in the Andromeda Cloth (a fraction of the cosmos Shaka).

Tivanenk said:
No, Deathtoll is stronger. Aldebaran died in an encounter with a Specter and Deathmask is weaker than him who got no sold by Mu easily. Deathtoll actually takes on Specters. And Kaiser easily defeated like 10 specters at once or so. Stronger than Aiolia.
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Not, DeathToll is weak. Niobe is one of the strongest Specters presented at the Clasicc Manga. Niobe is more powerful than 50 Specters random (they are at the level Bronze Saint).

Mu is one of the strongest Gold Saint. Mu not could kill to Aphro or Deathmask with his best attack, the Starlight Extinction. Deathmask could kill to Mu with a hit, if Seiya does not interfere.

Aiolia defeated five Specters with a single attack. Those Specters were so weak that Goldie the defeated.

The Specters are most weaker than the Saints. An army defeated by the Bronze Saint (without the Gold level) and some Gold Saints. Only Meikai Sankyotō, Deep, Papillon or Sphinx are opponents for a Gold Saint.
 
Both Mystoria and Camus possess absolute zero. And yes, Deathmask and Aphrodite are weak and got offed by Mu alone. Shura and Camus gave trouble to Shaka.
 
In the Manga Clasico, Camus mentions that not has the absolute zero and Hyoga surpassed when it reaches absolute zero. Mu could defeat Camus and Shura easily. Camus and Shura could not make a scratch Shaka, even attacking together. Camus could not contain Shaka nisiquera few seconds for Saga will use the Another Dimension.

Camus and Shura are weak. Camus is the weakest of the Gold Saints. It does not Have absolute zero. He not can defeat any Gold Saint.
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
Shura and Camus are called the strongest Gold Saints alongside Saga.
At the very least, they're on Aiolia's league.
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In the correct translation of the manga, Shaka does not Indicate That They are the strongest. Only states that are Gold Saints (the strongest army of Athena).

Aiolia competes to be the strongest Gold Saint. Aiolia competes to be the strongest Gold Saint. Aiolia could defeat those two Gold Saints (weak) with ease.
 
Camus and Shura are stated numerous time to be among the strongest Gold Saints, and both Deathmask and Aphrodite, and Aldebaran are weaker than them.

Camus also does have the Absolute Zero, he uses it in the Hades arc.

You have no arguments here.
 
That it never is mentioned in the correct translation of the manga. Camus and Shura are not the weakest Gold Saints. Camus has no absolute zero. He mentioned in Classic Manga.

Camus: Como tu sabes la temperatura extrema de congelación es el cero absoluto. Sin embargo incluso para mi resulta imposible llegar a esa temperatura tan baja.

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Camus: A pesar de encontrarte en el abismo de la muerte por congelación y con los cinco sentidos neutralizados has conseguido aprender el cero absoluto. Con ellos has superado el propio nivel de mi cosmos.

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In the Taizen it mentioned that the best technique Camus Aurora executio only reaches a cold next to the absolute zero. El Aurora Execution es su tecnica mas poderosa, que emite un firo proximo a el cero absoluto y fue heredado por Hyoga.

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Aldebaran is one of the strongest Gold Saints. Mû: Incluso tú, que portas el orgullo de que ningún Saint se te iguale en cuanto a fuerza física...

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Deathmask or Aphro are most stronger than Camus and Shura.

Deathmask also mentions that is the most strongest Gold Saint.

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The fact that Deathmask was offed by Shiryu without dying (who only started unlocking 7th sense), while Shiryu had to sacrifice himself with his strongest technique to kill Shura really tells the difference between those two.

I mean, I want Aphrodite to be strong, since he's my Zodiac, but the only really good Pisces is Amor.
 
Shiryu never injured to Deathmask (with Cloth). Deathmask was defeated only because he was thrown into in the hole in the Yomotsu Hirakasa. Shiryu broke his arm or Excalibur Shoryu Rozan to Shura. A Rozan Shoryu Ha with multiple dragons or attacks (more powerful than a regularly Rozan Shoryu Rozan and most closer to the Ronzan Hyaku Ryu Ha) can not kill or injured to Deathmask (without Cloth). Deathmask is much more resistant than Shura.

If Athena had not helped Shiryu to return of the Yomotsu Hirakasa, Deathmask had won the battle to the first attack.

Aphrodite not is one of the strongest Gold Saints. But it is stronger than other Gold Saint as Camus or Shura.
 
Except Shaka struggled against Shura/Camus, while Deathmask/Aphrodite get offed by Mu quite easily.
 
Shaka easily defeated to Shura and Camus. The two Gold Saints could do nothing against Shaka (the best they could do was freeze superficially one knee and Shaka get up again without any damage after of the attack). DetahMask hits to Mu during one part of the battle and would have killed him if Seiya does not interfere.

Camus has not absolute zero. He can not seriously injure or kill a Gold Saint.
 
Shaka admitted that he was struggling to fight against multiple Saints when Camus/Shura attacked him, and the only reason Deathmask got the strike in was because of Shion being there. Otherwise, Mu would have murked them.
 
Is that an elite as Saga was fighting him. Saga was the that stopped the techniques of Shaka (because the other two were useless). Not Saga and the attack of Camus and Shura not broken the Om of Shaka. Without Saga in the fight, Camus and Shura they would have died with the Tenkühaja Chimimōryō or the Tenma Kōfuku. Mu evade with easily the attack of Shura and the attack de Camus does not cause any serious damage. Saga is the that threat with kill to Mu.
 
Camus does have Absolute Zero, he does that with Shaka just like you said with one knee. Camus Diamond Dust did actually hurt Mu and even Shaka had to evade it if Camus Diamond Dust didnt go any damage then Shaka doesnt need to evade it.

In fact, Shaka can't even hold out the fight against both Camus and Shura without tiring. However, I will admit that if Saga wasnt there, they would be toasted with the Tenbu Hourin. But it still wouldnt even matter as Shaka had never demonstrated the same thing that Asmita could do with Tenbu Horin who is far superior with it than Shaka is.

As for the Mu evade Shura slice, Shura said that he didnt even go serious against Mu with the speed of his attack. If Shura was going serious then Mu wouldnt even had the chance to evade it, and heck even Mu has some of his hair being cut off by Shura casual slice. Imagine what would happen if he goes completely serious with his first strike to slice Mu in half.

DeathMask and Aphrodite are not stronger than Shura or Camus. It had been proven many times that they are one of the strongest Saint in the Athena Army. Shura and Camus would offed both Aphrodite and DeathMask easily.
 
Most people keep forgetting that Camus can freeze Gold Saints, and what is required to freeze the cloth of a Gold Saint? That's right: Absolute Zero. So this talk about him not having absolute zero is farcical.
 
The people forgetting that freezing superficially the Gold Cloth does not requires of the absolute zero. As was observed in the fight of Milo against Hyoga.

Hyoga freeze Milo's legs.
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Hyoga projects frozen the stars of the constellation of Scorpio in the body of Milo.
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Camus was surpassed and killed by Hyoga with the absolute zero. Hyoga (with absolute zero) >>>> Camus. The word of god or Kurumada in the Classic Manga or Taizen indicates that Camus not has the absolute zero. Camus is the weakest Gold Saint.
 
The diamond dust not cause serious damage to Mu. After the attack Mu gets up and continues fighthing without problems. Deathmask's punches made him more damage to Mu that the the Diamond of Camus

The diamond dust only freeze superficially the knee of Shaka, in the next scene can be seen as the freezing to disappeared and Shaka does not have any damage.
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Camus does not cause any serious damage to the Gold Saints with freezing attacks. It is because there has absolute zero..

Shaka easily evade excalibur of Shura and Camus only froze superficially one knee the Saint. Without Saga they had never destroyed the Om. Without Saga in combat Camus and Shura would have been killed by the Tenkühaja Chimimōryō or the Tenma Kōfuku. Shaka is superior to Asmita in all respects.Shaka was going to fight with Hades (as avatar in body human). The Gold Saints of Lost Canvas could not fight with Alone (using a portion of the power of Hades).

Mu easily evades his best attack. Shaka evaded the Excalibur without difficulty. The excalibur of Shura is easy of evade for a Gold Saint. Shiryu stopped excalibur even with bare hands.

Shura and Camus are the Gold Saints most weaker in the army of Athena. Camus is the weakest has no absolute zero. Deathmask or Aphro could easily defeat Shura and Camus. Bloody Rose and Sekishiki Meikai has enough for defeat to Camus and Shura.

Gold Saint Level List.

Hight Tier:
Dohko
Shio
Shaka
Saga
Kano
Aiolia
Aiolos

Mid Tier:
Milo
Mu
Aldebaran

Average:
Aphrodite
Deathmask
Shura

The most weak:
Camus
 
Milo is definitely not the weakest considering he can stalemate Kanon (even if he didn't have his cloth). Also, Hyoga froze Milo's legs to the ground, not the actual cloth itself like what Camus did to Shaka.
 
Milo is a powerful Gold Saint. But Milo can die with attacks with the absolute zero. Hyoga also frozen superficially to Milo at the start of combat. Hyoga the end projecta frozen the constellation of Scorpio on the Gold Cloth of Milo.

The superficially freeze the Gold Cloth does not require absolute zero. The author indicates that Camus has no absolute zero.In the Manga Classic or official guide of Saint Seiya.
 
Aphrodite and Deathmas are descentes gold saints.

lol, Camus and Shura are potrayed to be fodders.

Shion with 200 years old (that was by retire as Kyoko). Shion a little younger >>> Saga.

Taizen (in French):
Si il n'avait pas ete affaibli avec l'age, probablement que Saga ne l'aurait jamais battu.
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Taizen (in Spanish):
Si no hubiera tenido la desventaja de la edad, probablemente Saga no hubiera conseguido matarlo
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Volume 2, Ry├╗ Seiza Shoryu-hen [published 19/12/2001] (in Brazilian Portuguese):
Se eu fosse um pouco mais jovem, jamais tenia perdido para Saga.
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Ha, no. Shion < Saga definitely. Saga is even stated by many to be the strongest Saint to ever serve Athena. And Shion pretty much sucked in LC when he was young.
 
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