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Hello everyone, today i will put in the table many things that need be revised about saint seiya. The main theme today will be saint seiya omega (but there's going to be little classic stuff too), recent i finished that respect thread for we building our profiles with sources, and to make them better with justifications, and to them look better as well.
Miscellaneous
Matter Manipulation
First, when we look deep to every profile of Saint Seiya, we found that "Matter Manipulation (Atomic Manipulation, and Destruction along with Macro-Quantum Destruction when moving at FTL speeds"
The problem here is that it doesn't just have to be removed from Omega profiles, but like all bronze, and why you ask me? Simples, here are things that belong to exclusive characters that are god tiers of the verse, for example the scan to destroy protons, it actually belongs to Holy Blade Hyperion, a Saturn's warrior, who was using his Cataclysm Slash (the weapon that had the ability to destroy protons) gave by Saturn, and the blade have power enough to hurt the Gold Saints, and match with the Athena Exclamation released by Kiki, Shiryu and Fudo. In addition only Hyperion can bring the true power of Cataclism Slash, the power to destroy protons.
A solution to this is to just take the basics of each work, at the beginning of every saint seiya has the explanation of crushing atoms, you don't need to wrap all matter manipulation in one thing.
Saints
Gold Saints
Sagittarius Seiya need justifications and a upgrade. A solution that i reached for that was: likely Galaxy level (Reached and caused damage to Mars Galaxy Mail to the point of Lugdwig having to released the Darkness of Abzu unconsciously, even Medea who created the galaxy mail had fear over the power of Seiya)
Gods
Mars
The current mars have a weirdo key, that put "ludwig | God of War", Ludwig is just an ordinary human, he has no powers, he was just a businessman. He became the God of War after losing his wife, and yet he still didn't even have his galaxy mail. Only when medea creates for him, does he have this galactic ability. The second key doesn't make sense either, Tokisada's power is exclusive only in the dimension "the end of time", and yet it was not multi galaxy.
The best justification we have for these two keys is:
Galaxy level (Can fight on par with Seiya who was able to inflict damages in his Galaxy Mail) | Multi-Galaxy level (All the darkness of the universe was amping Mars, and nothing in the universe was able surpass his cosmos).
and the new keys will be: God of War | Abzu Pre-Awakened
God tier of the verse
First, we need a huge upgrade for Abzu in his profile is stated that he only created a small multiverse, but the single information of the size of Omega's multiverse, is that is a 2-A multiverse, due the many worlds interpretation of infinite variations of futures.
In episode 31 Paradox explain the outerspace's function, Otherspace is a world outside all crossroads, and is the infinite points where fate divides. Where people make an infinite number of choices at a crossroads, without ever knowing it. And there are infinite crossroads, and infinite fates.
A summary of how this works according to physics:
If you're not familiar with this physics concept, remember the dc comics metaverse, it's the same thing.
And Satur need to scale with that, he is the master of all space-time, Tokisada even claims that saturn mastered all the universes in the end of time.
Four Kings of Satur
The four Kings of Saturns need profiles (not only they, even the gold saints need, and i'll handle that), and their tier varies from Galaxy level to Universe level.
Aegaeon:
The main point of this scales, is that the omega is the power who can create a real sized-universe, the omega is literally the inflation.
When the bronze saints was pre-awakened to the omega, they only had a fraction of the omega, and they're no match for hyperion.
Starting for the principle that Omega is a Universe level+ energy, if someone had a fraction of that, they will have a power at least Multi-Galaxy level.
That's why Gallia and Aegaeon can't go to tier 3-B. However, as you saw, Hyperion can stand above the fraction of Omega. And not only that, Hyperion are the strongest WARRIOR among the four king.
Titan:
He is the most powerful of the four kings, he even is more powerfull than Athena and Pallas. And that should also yield a tier downgrade for Pallas and Athena, as Aegaeon recalled that none of the four kings in their base forms, without none further context, can't reach the omega. This is due to the context that omega is the strength that a saints achieves by gathering the emotions of his companions in his heart as a being. And the three kings are selfish gods, unlike Titan who fought for Pallas love.
Titan need a different scale from Hyperion and the lowest kings, his sword is claimed to slice the very world even when was broken. And he had to face a seiya with Sagittarius God Cloth, which was comparable to the bronze saints with the Omega.
Pallas and Athena
They should be around Multi-Galaxy level because of the eternal dance of saturn. Pallas only was able to release a portion of the power of the blade, in fact only the power to carve through all stars and planets of the universe. The reason of that, is that only saturn can release the entire power of the eternal dance. Athena should scale for that, because she was able to fight on par with Pallas with the Eternal Dance.
Additional
Note 1: Even if it was estabilished in Next Dimension that the God Cloth is just a temporary state, in Omega, Seiya evolved his cloth to the God Cloth, Harbinger itself claims that seiya was evolving his cloth with the blood of the gods, so is pretty blatant that seiya was in God Sagittarius.
Miscellaneous
Matter Manipulation
First, when we look deep to every profile of Saint Seiya, we found that "Matter Manipulation (Atomic Manipulation, and Destruction along with Macro-Quantum Destruction when moving at FTL speeds"
The problem here is that it doesn't just have to be removed from Omega profiles, but like all bronze, and why you ask me? Simples, here are things that belong to exclusive characters that are god tiers of the verse, for example the scan to destroy protons, it actually belongs to Holy Blade Hyperion, a Saturn's warrior, who was using his Cataclysm Slash (the weapon that had the ability to destroy protons) gave by Saturn, and the blade have power enough to hurt the Gold Saints, and match with the Athena Exclamation released by Kiki, Shiryu and Fudo. In addition only Hyperion can bring the true power of Cataclism Slash, the power to destroy protons.
A solution to this is to just take the basics of each work, at the beginning of every saint seiya has the explanation of crushing atoms, you don't need to wrap all matter manipulation in one thing.
Saints
Gold Saints
Sagittarius Seiya need justifications and a upgrade. A solution that i reached for that was: likely Galaxy level (Reached and caused damage to Mars Galaxy Mail to the point of Lugdwig having to released the Darkness of Abzu unconsciously, even Medea who created the galaxy mail had fear over the power of Seiya)
Gods
Mars
The current mars have a weirdo key, that put "ludwig | God of War", Ludwig is just an ordinary human, he has no powers, he was just a businessman. He became the God of War after losing his wife, and yet he still didn't even have his galaxy mail. Only when medea creates for him, does he have this galactic ability. The second key doesn't make sense either, Tokisada's power is exclusive only in the dimension "the end of time", and yet it was not multi galaxy.
The best justification we have for these two keys is:
Galaxy level (Can fight on par with Seiya who was able to inflict damages in his Galaxy Mail) | Multi-Galaxy level (All the darkness of the universe was amping Mars, and nothing in the universe was able surpass his cosmos).
and the new keys will be: God of War | Abzu Pre-Awakened
God tier of the verse
First, we need a huge upgrade for Abzu in his profile is stated that he only created a small multiverse, but the single information of the size of Omega's multiverse, is that is a 2-A multiverse, due the many worlds interpretation of infinite variations of futures.
In episode 31 Paradox explain the outerspace's function, Otherspace is a world outside all crossroads, and is the infinite points where fate divides. Where people make an infinite number of choices at a crossroads, without ever knowing it. And there are infinite crossroads, and infinite fates.
A summary of how this works according to physics:
If you're not familiar with this physics concept, remember the dc comics metaverse, it's the same thing.
And Satur need to scale with that, he is the master of all space-time, Tokisada even claims that saturn mastered all the universes in the end of time.
Four Kings of Satur
The four Kings of Saturns need profiles (not only they, even the gold saints need, and i'll handle that), and their tier varies from Galaxy level to Universe level.
Aegaeon:
- Aegaeon was the weaker among the four kings, he was defeated only by Phoenix Ikki. But his power is great, only his gravitontector embodies the power of three gold saints
- Athena Power's it is nothing for her holy blade
- Her Photontector has the power of Cancer, Aquarius and Pisces combined
The main point of this scales, is that the omega is the power who can create a real sized-universe, the omega is literally the inflation.
When the bronze saints was pre-awakened to the omega, they only had a fraction of the omega, and they're no match for hyperion.
Starting for the principle that Omega is a Universe level+ energy, if someone had a fraction of that, they will have a power at least Multi-Galaxy level.
That's why Gallia and Aegaeon can't go to tier 3-B. However, as you saw, Hyperion can stand above the fraction of Omega. And not only that, Hyperion are the strongest WARRIOR among the four king.
Titan:
He is the most powerful of the four kings, he even is more powerfull than Athena and Pallas. And that should also yield a tier downgrade for Pallas and Athena, as Aegaeon recalled that none of the four kings in their base forms, without none further context, can't reach the omega. This is due to the context that omega is the strength that a saints achieves by gathering the emotions of his companions in his heart as a being. And the three kings are selfish gods, unlike Titan who fought for Pallas love.
Titan need a different scale from Hyperion and the lowest kings, his sword is claimed to slice the very world even when was broken. And he had to face a seiya with Sagittarius God Cloth, which was comparable to the bronze saints with the Omega.
Pallas and Athena
They should be around Multi-Galaxy level because of the eternal dance of saturn. Pallas only was able to release a portion of the power of the blade, in fact only the power to carve through all stars and planets of the universe. The reason of that, is that only saturn can release the entire power of the eternal dance. Athena should scale for that, because she was able to fight on par with Pallas with the Eternal Dance.
Additional
Note 1: Even if it was estabilished in Next Dimension that the God Cloth is just a temporary state, in Omega, Seiya evolved his cloth to the God Cloth, Harbinger itself claims that seiya was evolving his cloth with the blood of the gods, so is pretty blatant that seiya was in God Sagittarius.
