Ruphas vs Gilgamesh

[Robo432343]

Ruphas Mafahl

Ruphas Mafahl (ルファス・マファール, Rufasu Mafāru) is the main protagonist of A Wild Last Boss Appeared! series. She is a Heaven-Winged who successfully unites the world and combining it into a single country under her authoritative rule. During her reign, the Goddess attempted to overthrow her. By...

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Gilgamesh (The Unwritten)

I am Gilgamesh, gods, and it takes more than water to end me. I am Gilgamesh, alike in the storm, and in the silence. I do the work that is before me. Gilgamesh is the historical king of the Sumerian city-state of Uruk, a major hero in ancient Mesopotamian mythology, and the protagonist of the...

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[Railgun]

Gilgamesh has 1-A+ ap and what will arceus do to his passive plot manip...

 

[Robo432343]

Gilgamesh has 1-A+ ap and what Arceus is gonna do to his passive plot manip...

Arceus has transduality type 2
and NEP

gilgamesh doesn't have feats of his plot manip affecting that

 

[Railgun]

Arceus has transduality type 2
and NEP

gilgamesh doesn't have feats of his plot manip affecting that

Yeah but i meant it like how arceus is gonna kill gilgamesh? Probably incon but I will wait for more inputs as I don't know both series well

 

[CodeCCLL]

Gilgamesh hits so hard with the Maanim that Arceus regrets being 1-A.

Arceus has transduality type 2
and NEP

Arceus does not have the necessary NEP aspects and its Transduality does not extend to the narrative.

 

[Robo432343]

Yeah but i meant it like how arceus is gonna kill gilgamesh? Probably incon but I will wait for more inputs as I don't know both series well

Arceus can make Gilgamesh run out of stamina

 

[Robo432343]

Arceus does not have the necessary NEP aspects and its Transduality does not extend to the narrative.

the plot manip does not extend to NEP and Transduality

 

[CodeCCLL]

the plot manip does not extend to NEP and Transduality

What are you talking about? Even NEP 2 is useless unless it has the necessary aspect type, and Transduality Type 2 only extends to the abilities it is immune to. It's just a stomp.

 

[Robo432343]

What are you talking about? Even NEP 2 is useless unless it has the necessary aspect type, and Transduality Type 2 only extends to the abilities it is immune to. It's just a stomp.

are you saying woody wedpeckers plot hax can affect NEP 2 and transduality???

plot hax also extends to the shit is is immune to

 

[Planck69]

Transduality Type 2 isn't relevant to a narrative attack that's infinite levels of existence above Arceus, especially when it does not cover that with its showcase. We've long done away with it being a get-out-of-jail free card for everything.

NEP Type 2 is the only relevant thing here and from what I recall it doesn't mean much when the whole level of reality it operates on is targeted to begin with. I say "recall" cause the revisions may have affected that in some way I'm not aware of.

 

[Robo432343]

damn
i think Arceus can still tire out Gil because of the speed difference

 

[CodeCCLL]

I wonder if you've ever looked at the NEP page?

Nonexistent Physiology refers to the ability to lack certain aspects of one's existence

 

[Robo432343]

I wonder if you've ever looked at the NEP page?

have you looked at the plot manip page?

"Regarding No-Limits Fallacies, users cannot simply be assumed to bring out any imaginable effect. They are assumed to be limited in both applications and scale to what they demonstrated or can be reasoned to be capable based of reliable statements. For instance, a character whose plot manipulation can affect concepts, would need to also demonstrate the ability to affect information for them to utilize both in a combat setting. See here for more information regarding this topic."

 

[Planck69]

have you looked at the plot manip page?

"Regarding No-Limits Fallacies, users cannot simply be assumed to bring out any imaginable effect. They are assumed to be limited in both applications and scale to what they demonstrated or can be reasoned to be capable based of reliable statements. For instance, a character whose plot manipulation can affect concepts, would need to also demonstrate the ability to affect information for them to utilize both in a combat setting. See here for more information regarding this topic."

You're heavily misunderstanding this. Arceus has no resistance to plot manipulation on such a scale nor does he lack a narrative existence. He is for all intents and purposes, just another target and would reasonably fall under such effects.

That note is for people claiming Plot Manipulation that's only worked on Uncle Grandpa can kill Yog-Sothoth, not this match.

 

[Robo432343]

ok guys i changed the match

 

[CodeCCLL]

think Arceus can still tire out Gil because of the speed difference

Gilgamesh has "outversal+ range, so Arceus can't escape anywhere.

 

[Robo432343]

Gilgamesh has "outversal+ range, so Arceus can't escape anywhere.

outerversal+ range is terrible if the speed of your attack is peak human

 

[Planck69]

outerversal+ range is terrible if the speed of your attack is peak human

Do you genuinely believe that the speed applies to his horn? That he'd blow it and take years to affect the solar system, much less the entire hierarchy of stories?

 

[Railgun]

ok guys i changed the match

I believe ruphas is not above baseline? What can she do against gil's plot manip? Bro got the protection from the leviathan

 

[CodeCCLL]

attack is peak human

Range and physical speed are completely irrelevant here.

 

[Robo432343]

Do you genuinely believe that the speed applies to his horn?

No

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Leave Ruphas out of this mess....

Though I could argue even if speed was equal, Ruphas will become faster than his passives.

 

[Noneless21]

No

Can you please ******* stop already? Can you not waste your ******* time and go outside and touch some grass?