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So, I am reporting ZacharyGrossman273.

As it turns out, I've been just informed that, not too long ago, he was directly responsible for over fifty Dungeons & Dragons profiles being edited with (Random) false information, something which had to be reverted over the course of hours, as some of these pages were edited even further to bury those edits. Given how they were in place for months beforehand (From June 21 to September 8, in fact), I also presume that the knowledgeable members who ended up having to revert them weren't even informed of that, either. All of that seemed to have happened without a Content Revision Thread, as well, and happened because of a random comment of his that wasn't verified by much of anyone

Needless to say, this is basically vandalism which Zach has direct responsibility for, and which Bambu had to waste hours of his time reverting. Mind you, this isn't even the first time something like this happened involving him; he was already banned in the past for basically tricking a staff member into unlocking profiles for him so he could insert whole-ass revisions on them without any prior agreement.

Not to mention that he has been exhibiting extremely creepy and stalker-like behaviour towards Saikou in particular, both in and off-site, and refused to leave him alone despite being told multiple times to stop pestering him, as I am sure multiple people (Including Saikou himself) can attest for.
 

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So, I am reporting ZacharyGrossman273.

As it turns out, I've been just informed that, not too long ago, he was directly responsible for over fifty Dungeons & Dragons profiles being edited with (Random) false information, something which had to be reverted over the course of hours, as some of these pages were edited even further to bury those edits. Given how they were in place for months beforehand (From June 21 to September 8, in fact), I also presume that the knowledgeable members who ended up having to revert them weren't even informed of that, either. All of that seemed to have happened without a Content Revision Thread, as well, and happened because of a random comment of his that wasn't verified by much of anyone

Needless to say, this is basically vandalism which Zach has direct responsibility for, and which Bambu had to waste hours of his time reverting. Mind you, this isn't even the first time something like this happened involving him; he was already banned in the past for basically tricking a staff member into unlocking profiles for him so he could insert whole-ass revisions on them without any prior agreement.

Not to mention that he has been exhibiting extremely creepy and stalker-like behaviour towards Saikou in particular, both in and off-site, and refused to leave him alone despite being told multiple times to stop pestering him, as I am sure multiple people (Including Saikou himself) can attest for.
If true, I support a permanent ban.
 
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From my understanding (which is admittedly second hand from Bambu and Ultima) zach orchestrated and told Yuri what edits to make, which is definitely still against rules
 
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Um if he didn't make the edits why would he be held responsible? Shouldn't the person who edited the pages be banned?
 

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It's honestly not the first time he's pulled shady shit like that. Nothing quite on that level, but he has stuff like adding unaccepted edits via convincing Nedge to unlock profiles.

Also... yes I can attest to the stalker part. Very much so.
 

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Manipulating someone else into doing the work for you still falls onto the manipulator's fault.

Not to mention generally being a stalking creep who still has not left Saikou alone. Go ahead, check who chose to Follow Saikou's page, despite being repeatedly ask to bugger off and stop bothering Saikou.

Absolute, 100% permanent ban here, and I'll settle for nothing less.
 
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From my understanding (which is admittedly second hand from Bambu and Ultima) zach orchestrated and told Yuri what edits to make, which is definitely still against rules
I suggested something, sure, but I didn’t think he would add it right away without discussion.

and even Yuri I don’t think was intentionally doing it, he didn’t know he didn’t have enough support to actually change it, s
 

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Eh, this one seems more like a failure to verify on the part of whoever actually made those changes. He wasn't exactly directly telling yuri to edit the files, he made an offhanded comment a few months ago that nobody ever followed up on until sudden mass edit. That's more yuri's fault.

I will say that he is being creepy to Saik though. At least Saik can use the ignore function here.
 

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I suggested something, sure, but I didn’t think he would add it right away without discussion.

and even Yuri I don’t think was intentionally doing it, he didn’t know he didn’t have enough support to actually change it, s
You have no room for the benefit of the doubt, Zach. You've done this before.
 

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Whats the punishment for Yuri?
As far as I've seen, Yuri is usually productive and friendly, so t was probably a miscommunication on his part.

Honestly there are a million things you can report Zach for, ths is just one of them. The stalker behavior should not be ignored, at all, and he's been arguably grooming Zouken, making her deeply uncomfortable.
 

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Do we really want snotty, spiteful, rude, lying, conniving, duplicitous, creepy, offensive, and persistent users like this on our platform?

Any person who wants to support Zach. Ask yourself that first.

He has committed so many offenses, so many crimes, it's an absolute miracle he's still here. He constantly makes threads with the intent to "win" and gain superiority over others, and pushes for CRTs and changes that will do such (Ilias matches shows quite a lot of this), stalks Saikou constantly, lies about character's abilities, and has never, not once, made improvement or changed.

Do the right thing and support a permanent ban.
 
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The Ilias VS Planeswalker match was bad how exacrly? People were debating it on top strongest. And plenty others agreed the planeswalkers page wasn’t even legit. I’ve downgraded my own characters before too.

ill... honestly say the point about me stalking Saikou is an issue.
 
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Do we really want snotty, spiteful, rude, lying, conniving, duplicitous, creepy, offensive, and persistent users like this on our platform?

Any person who wants to support Zach. Ask yourself that first.

He has committed so many offenses, so many crimes, it's an absolute miracle he's still here. He constantly makes threads with the intent to "win" and gain superiority over others, and pushes for CRTs and changes that will do such (Ilias matches shows quite a lot of this), stalks Saikou constantly, lies about character's abilities, and has never, not once, made improvement or changed.

Do the right thing and support a permanent ban.
You should perhaps, point out the specific rule breaking instead of using an applie to morals
 

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You should perhaps, point out the specific rule breaking instead of using an applie to morals
If someone PM'd you constantly on-and-off site about how they wanted to be your friend, even years after you told them no, and then start lying about who they are while still stalking you in hopes you'll become their friend, do you think someone like that is perfectly in ther reason to continue what they're doing even though they technically haven't broken any rules?
 

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You should perhaps, point out the specific rule breaking instead of using an applie to morals
I literally just did. Read the post. I showed legitimate examples for what he has done, and anyone who knows him can name several, several more.

Not to mention, morals are absolutely an acceptable argument when we're allowing someone to unrepentantly stalk a user on-site. It's disgusting we've allowed this so far, and it's but a miracle that we have a function that'll stop it here (though, due to our absolute incompetence at doing anything about it, he'll probably just spam Saikou on the main site until walls are deleted).
 
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He constantly makes threads with the intent to "win" and gain superiority over others, and pushes for CRTs and changes that will do such
Do the right thing and support a permanent ban.

1st, I'm not for Peer Pressure, which I can only interpret that last wording as.

2nd, I won't defend things that I didn't quote, but making vs threads with the intent to "win" is an ego thing everyone has, and that shouldn't be looked at like a negative to his character. Neither is pushing for CRTs cause of his ego, as having CRTs further conversations for a verse, not matter the intent. It's the job of others to slap him down if his ego gets persistent and annoying so we can remain factual.
 

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1st, I'm not for Peer Pressure, which I can only interpret that last wording as.

2nd, I won't defend things that I didn't quote, but making vs threads with the intent to "win" is an ego thing everyone has, and that shouldn't be looked at like a negative to his character. Neither is pushing for CRTs cause of his ego, as having CRTs further conversations for a verse, not matter the intent. It's the job of others to slap him down if his ego gets persistent and annoying so we can remain factual.
Making threads with the intent to win, and responding to them with "ha-ha" comments (going as far to have commented on people's walls mocking them, in Zach's case, after winning a match) is not okay.

Pushing for certain CRTs out of spite additionally is not okay as it simply wastes time and bothers other users and leads to the above - let's not skip over the fact that he got several D&D pages griefed.
 
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I mean, while I did get a bit too clingy to saik, I did stop message walling him when warned to stop. The most valid points being made here are the ones about me stalking Saikou.
 
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I don’t have much to add as I was not personally present, but I will say Zach has gotten in a lot of trouble for saying offensive things about religious people and has been spamming people besides Saikou, like Amelia and others, with random words on their walls as soon as the forum was made, which is worrying
 
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Pushing for certain CRTs out of spite additionally is not okay as it simply wastes time and bothers other users and leads to the above - let's not skip over the fact that he got several D&D pages griefed.
You mean me trying to delete the planeswalker?

Which multiple staff including MTG experts agreed on?

And I already debunked the D&D thing
 

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Implying me ignoring him will change anything. Ever since I blocked him on Discord the little pest has been constantly bothering other people about me and asking them to communicate with me. Despite being told to fuck off several times by yours truly.

I'm leaving the actual punishment up to you guys, but acting like this Ignore function is enough to let behavior like that slip by is incredibly naive.
 

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Evidence has been provided that, not only will Zach circumvent any methods of ignoring, muting, or blocking, but Zach absolutely refuses to stop and has continued his behavior of constantly messaging Saikou to no end.

A permanent ban, again, is the lowest I will settle for. This behavior is absolutely reprehensible.
 

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This is a tricky situation. While Zach hasn't done anything directly ban worthy, he has done a million other things that are bad, but not bad enough to cross the line. So that makes this kinda hard.

Although I agree the stalking thing is a huge problem. And it might warrant a ban on its own.
 

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This is a tricky situation. While Zach hasn't done anything directly ban worthy, he has done a million other things that are bad, but not bad enough to cross the line. So that makes this kinda hard.

Although I agree the stalking thing is a huge problem. And it might warrant a ban on its own.
Death by a thousand cuts and a nuclear bomb. Worthy of a ban to me.
 

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Absolutely is deserving of a long ban. Zach's prior conduct isn't exactly relevant, but it's a lot more than a "thousand cuts", and he's been banned before, more than once.
 

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I definitely don't want anybody to ban YuriAkuto. He is incredibly helpful and reliable.

I am neutral about Zachary. Ogbunabali seems to have the most levelheaded evaluation here.
 
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There dosen't really seem to to be much evidence the event with the dnd pages was the user's fault, 'the record is against them' and them having once made a off hand comment aligning with the views of the altered pages. And I take issue with the use of an appile to morals on this thread. I can't say much about the rest other then one should not seek out evidence for a ban that isn't there it harms the integrity of the process. What else I think about the matter really doesn't matter I don't decide who gets banned and who doesn't
 

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Yuri is fine. Don't punish the dude, I'm 100% sure he's absolutely clear and meant no ill will.

Ogbunabali explains why a permanent ban is reasonable.

  1. He has been banned several times before.
  2. He has not changed from these bans, and his behavior does not ever get better.
  3. He has continued all of his bad behavior on varying levels and accounts.
  4. He has continued and been stalking Saikou for years, even continuing on this wiki.
  5. He has lied about these offenses (on this very thread, too!)
So what do we do when a banned rule-breaker breaks rules again, and again, and again? We ban them. Permanently.
 

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Don't really think the D&D thing is relevant as much as being really creepy is, yeah. That's probably worth some sort of ban considering how long it's been going on for. Lotta people can vouch for it, I'll see about grabbing hard proof.


Wouldn't levy as harsh an accusation as grooming by a long shot though.
 

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Regardless, since several staff members, including Promestein, want Zachary banned, and I am ambivalent, I suppose that me and Ogbunabali are likely outvoted.
 

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"And I take issue with the use of an appile to morals on this thread. I can't say much about the rest other then one should not seek out evidence for a ban that isn't there it harms the integrity of the process."


Idk how the ban "wouldn't be there" if there's evidence for it, unless you're implying forgery.
 

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What happened to Yuki is the exact same as with Nedge. A naive/busy staff member being misled by Zach to do an unwarranted edit. He should be warned but not outright demoted or banned.
 

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Alright

Fine, I stalked Saikou too much.

@Promestein, Ban me until 2021. You’re the least biased out of those that actually do want to ban me.
Oh, boy, a 3 month ban? Heaven's no.

My vote still stands for a permanent ban, given his previous track record of several bans, unwillingness to stop, and continuing to break rules after being told otherwise.

I'll leave it at that.
 

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Regardless, since several staff members, including Promestein, want Zachary banned, and I am ambivalent, I suppose that me and Ogbunabali are likely outvoted.
Keep in mind that Ogbunabali did not explicitly express that he disagreed with a ban, and actually affirmed all the reasons he should be banned in some manner.
 
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What happened to Yuki is the exact same as with Nedge. A naive/busy staff member being misled by Zach to do an unwarranted edit. He should be warned but not outright demoted or banned.
...I already explained why this part wasn’t my fault.

Look, if you’re going to ban me, permanently or otherwise, do it for me stalking Saikou, not for something I didn’t even do
 
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Consistent problematic behavior that has been persisting for this long with no seeming attempt at betterment after multiple times being called out is not the kind of thing that I see any point disregarding.

I don't know about permanent ban, but obvious negligence of previous warnings should completely merit some sort of action. Especially when Zach already showed off lying about his pestering of Saikou, which Moritzva right away showed was completely wrong.

Again, some sort of action is an entirely valid response and absolutely deserved if it has reached this level, and this insistence really doesn't sound like it will settle after a warning if this has been pointed out to Zach so many times already.
 

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You already got a 2-3 month ban for the porn thing last year.

I said long ban because I'm not invested in the exact length. That could mean a year. That could mean permanently. I'll leave that to someone else's discretion.
 
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You already got a 2-3 month ban for the porn thing last year.

I said long ban because I'm not invested in the exact length. That could mean a year. That could mean permanently. I'll leave that to someone else's discretion.
But Prom, you’re the only member I trust to be unbiased about this... and one of the only ones with high authority on it.
 

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This is me being unbiased.

You're a persistent trouble even without getting into you stalking and harassing Saikou. You have a very poor track record, and you've gotten banned already! And this is the worst of your behavior thus far. You should at least get a year-long ban.
 

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But Prom, you’re the only member I trust to be unbiased about this... and one of the only ones with high authority on it.
She is unbiased!
That's why she's not 100% sure of a permanent ban, but isn't opposed to it, either.

Anyways, this thread is getting chaotic. How do we sort it out? Because Prom is neutral and in favor of anywhere from 1 year to permanent. I am in favor of a permanent ban. Several other users are, too.
 

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I agree with banning Zach, after seeing how he behaves both on and off-site over the last few months its painfully clear that he is nothing but a bad influence that will only hurt more people the longer he is allowed to stay in this community.
 
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Zach, I am pretty much saying you totally deserve that ban after continuing this behavior so persistently and not getting any better despite the ludicrous amount of time since this started and the number of times it has gotten you in trouble.

I have no clue why you voted me up, unless you are agreeing that a ban is fitting for you. Not like I mind.
 

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I wouldn't say Zach is a Groomer, and he is usually fine outside of a few comments.
Can't say much about him around, but he seems fine in DMs
My suspicions were mostly aroused by others concerns and suspicons. Which did leave me alert, but I don't find him actively malacious.
 
I'm not going to weigh in one way or the other about whether or not Zach should be banned, but since it was brought up I'll go ahead and say that no, he did not ask me to message Saikou on his behalf. Zach kept asking me to send him screenshots about Saikou's conversations over on Discord, and I got annoyed by it so I @ed Saikou telling him that Zach kept asking about him.

But I don't really see why that was brought up in the first place because nobody even implied that they thought Zach wanted me to send any messages on his behalf. It doesn't change anything either way.
 

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I'm not going to weigh in one way or the other about whether or not Zach should be banned, but since it was brought up I'll go ahead and say that no, he did not ask me to message Saikou on his behalf. Zach kept asking me to send him screenshots about Saikou's conversations over on Discord, and I got annoyed by it so I @ed Saikou telling him that Zach kept asking about him.

But I don't really see why that was brought up in the first place because nobody even implied that they thought Zach wanted me to send any messages on his behalf. It doesn't change anything either way.
Thanks for the clarification about this, and this does prove that Zach exhibits extremely stalker-ish behavior of demanding screenshots and wanting to see what Saikou is doing.
 
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Fine.

Ban me for a year, then. People will inevitably ask you do it for forever. And I might actually get banned forever.

Sigh. See you guys in a year. Or never.
 
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"And I take issue with the use of an appile to morals on this thread. I can't say much about the rest other then one should not seek out evidence for a ban that isn't there it harms the integrity of the process."


Idk how the ban "wouldn't be there" if there's evidence for it, unless you're implying forgery.
I was referring to looking for evidence that isn't there, in connection to this case I was referring to the dnd thing coming up alot even tho it didn't have much evidence for a connection, I really don't think anything like forgery applies to that, I more worry about people seeing what they want to see and that getting someone banned
 

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... overall, a solid majority seems to be in favor of a ban, at minimum one year, and up to permanent.

Given how Zach has been banned several times before, is it not most reasonable to round up and settle for a permanent ban?

Absolute worst case scenario, if Zach can prove he has changed as a person far, far down the line (and I mean, at least a year), he can be unbanned.
 

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I think a perm ban with an opportunity to appeal in a year seems fine.

@ZacharyGrossman273 Actually respecting Saik's wishes and not trying to contact him, proxies or not, not sending porn out to random people, having others that can vouch for your improvement, stopping when people tell you to, etc.
 
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This ain't the first or the second ban. If we need another in the first place, settling for permanent and keeping a look out for the possibility of change does seem safer.

Also, we really need to stop thinking as just "no hard rules have been broken". Stalking is not a nice deal, and other issues have happened. You can only build up so much trash along the way before you tell the person making the mess to really do something about it. That has been already done with Zach, it keeps piling up. Being reserved for the sake of not seeming "harsh" is just counterproductive for something like this, as far as I care.
 

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Well, I think the permanent ban with a chance to appeal in one year is a rather adequate solution for this situation.
 

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The deed has been done.

Now, we can rest.
 

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If we're going to be mirroring all bans across all 3 wikis as well as the forums now I'll go ahead and do that on FCOC.
 

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Okay. I found Zachary annoying, but am not familiar with his other offenses, except for him posting lewd manga images.
 

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I didn't say that we should automatically apply all bans in all three wikis from now onwards, but since most people seem to want to get rid of Zachary, and say that he stalks people, it seems most convenient in this case.
 

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May as well. He wasn't active on FCOC and any activity that he'd have there from this point on would likely be in stalking. He was permanently banned from its Discord server ages ago anyways.
 
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