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Rule Violation Reports (New forum)

Less a ban doesn't mean they are okay, in fact an entire staff thread was made to handle your situation. I don't see any malicious reasons for staffs actively supporting Recon over any other members here.
This is basically what I had in mind. In any case, Recon's previous case has already been judged and concluded, it was considered ambiguous, as while it could be seen as a serious threat, it could also have just been as a dark humor. We have warned him, and he promised not to do this again which he didn't and we are actively working towards the rule that restricts our member from using such wording for anyone, even if as a joke. Even if he dislikes someone doesn't mean he seriously wishes harm to them.

Regarding the current situation, who came first for whom doesn't excuse that both of them have shown a vile behaviour in that thread and dislike each other, and Recon's statement even if appears provocative, does not seems to be a violation serious enough to recieve ban as it doesn't appears to insult any user in any form but only shows frustration. if the users only have problems between themselves and do not otherwise show such behavior, I think simply making it so they are unable to see each other should be sufficient to prevent these things from occurring again.
 
I want to report something regarding some fans who have been ruining this forum with their deceptive and illogical behavior of downgrading characters. Frankly, I didn't want to report it, but I saw many people were upset by this, and I can't stay silent any longer.

Some fans are using other works to downgrade others, which is very dangerous, and people haven't noticed. They use the content of one novel to downplay another, claiming they share the same cosmology. However, these novels are completely different, each with its own narrative and contradictions, and nothing about them is related. This doesn't negate the fact that each novel has its own unique narrative, events, dialogue, characters, protagonist, and everything else that is distinct from other novels, especially given the contradictions between the narratives. Therefore, I ask that people not be allowed to use other novels to downplay another.

Each work should be classified based solely on what is stated in its own novel and its specific content. No other novel or work should be related to it due to the narrative contradictions between each work. It's not simply a matter of them being... In the same field of cosmology, the narrative and the stories are completely different, and the narrative contradicts any other narrative.
I'm sorry, I'm a bit confused. What exactly are you reporting here?
 
This is basically what I had in mind. In any case, Recon's previous case has already been judged and concluded, it was considered ambiguous, as while it could be seen as a serious threat, it could also have just been as a dark humor. We have warned him, and he promised not to do this again which he didn't and we are actively working towards the rule that restricts our member from using such wording for anyone, even if as a joke. Even if he dislikes someone doesn't mean he seriously wishes harm to them and his statement, even if appears provocative, does not seems to be a violation serious enough to recieve ban as it doesn't appears to insult any user in any form but only shows frustration.

Regarding the current situation, who came first for whom doesn't excuse that both of them have shown a vile behaviour in that thread and dislike each other, if the users only have problems between themselves and do not otherwise show such behavior, I think simply making it so they are unable to see each other should be sufficient to prevent these things from occurring again.
Yeah, I say we can drop this past report and focus on this incident.

If both will agree to it, stopping them from seeing each other's posts seems like the best approach here.
 
I'm sorry, I'm a bit confused. What exactly are you reporting here?
He is just upset that Sweetdao defeated him in this thread and Dao downgraded Yogiri to Tier 2 using another work from the same author which is accepted (atm) to be canon atleast on this site because he personally scales it alot higher

Nothing else really...
 
I'm sorry, I'm a bit confused. What exactly are you reporting here?
I deleted his post since it didn't appear to be a serious or warranted report, but only seemed to express his discontent with the site's governance.

Do not derail the Rule Violation Threads with irrelevant nonsense or internal disputes. It is solely for making serious, warranted reports of violations of our Site Rules, and Discussion Rules, and not for discussion or side comments. Such posts should preferably be removed by the staff, and if a member continues to derail after being repeatedly told to stop, this will result in a temporary ban.

@Azertyhuuh This thread is for reporting serious and warranted violations of the rules stated on our rules page, not for expressing discontent with the site's governance. Please refrain from posting any further.
 
If Recon1511 has issued multiple death threats towards DbzDB2, and the latter does not consider them as jokes but as part of a pattern of severe ongoing harrassment, I think that should result in a very long ban.

However, DbzDB2's post was still over the line, and should probably be given a considerably briefer warning ban.

But we need more staff input here.

@Mr. Bambu @Agnaa @Qawsedf234 @LephyrTheRevanchist @GrathOfLux @SomebodyData @FinePoint

What do you think about this? 🙏
 
If Recon1511 has issued multiple death threas towards DbzDB2, and the latter does not consider them as jokes but as part of a pattern of severe ongoing harrassment, I think that should result in a very long ban.

However, DbzDB2's post was still over the line, and should probably be given a considerably briefer warning ban.

However, we need more staff input here.

@Mr. Bambu @Agnaa @Qawsedf234 @LephyrTheRevanchist @GrathOfLux @SomebodyData @FinePoint

What do you think about this? 🙏
Regarding this, this case has already concluded some time back, including most of these guys' input, it was determined to be settled with a warning and the staff thread in question....

The issue at hand is that @DbzDB2 is refusing to accept that, and is still pushing for a ban, even after the case was solved and concluded.

(If you want, I can also link the important comments from the other staff regarding the case?)
 
I think that the case should be reevaluated. Given a greater context here, it seems to warrant much more severe repercussions than a warning. 🙏
Nothing new has been presented, nor has @Recon1511 done anything he was warned about. All that is "changed" is the fact that @DbzDB2 is trying to force a different result, @Mr. Bambu for example, one of the people you pinged, was fully against any amount of ban for him.
I will say for the final time that I firmly disagree with any ban being handed down in the current case. Recon's comments were not made in seriousness. The comments made by Dbz were far more heinous. This shouldn't be a situation where we punish both for fairness. Recon hasn't done anything worthy of a retort above a warning to stop it.

This follows the general thoughts of other staff members as well.
 
I think that the case should be reevaluated. Given a greater context here, it seems to warrant much more severe repercussions than a warning. 🙏
Given the comments directly expressed a desire to see people harmed in severe ways, we can't deny the attitudes expressed are horrible and disgusting.

There also should be an understanding about threats and calls to action.

A threat is "I'm gonna paint your car pink".

A call to action is "someone should paint your car pink".

While the posts are not threats, an argument could be made for them resembling a call to action. Either way, expressing a desire to see people harmed in such horrific ways is no joking matter.

This was discussed before though. Maybe we should look back over the original report and discussion.
 
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This was already resolved before, what DbzDb2 is arguing now is because I still show contempt and snark for him my previous "threats" were "genuine". This is a massive leap in logic that shouldn't even be accounted for, I saw that one of you suggested a way for us to not see each others messages, I'm fine with that.

I didn't get to see the deleted comment DbzDb2 posted, but it seems it was pretty bad perhaps that should be given a second look.
 
This was already resolved before, what DbzDb2 is arguing now is because I still show contempt and snark for him my previous "threats" were "genuine". This is a massive leap in logic that shouldn't even be accounted for, I saw that one of you suggested a way for us to not see each others messages, I'm fine with that.

I didn't get to see the deleted comment DbzDb2 posted, but it seems it was pretty bad perhaps that should be given a second look.
I sent it to you via PMs, considering you have all rights to see it.
 
If Recon1511 has issued multiple death threats towards DbzDB2, and the latter does not consider them as jokes but as part of a pattern of severe ongoing harrassment, I think that should result in a very long ban.

However, DbzDB2's post was still over the line, and should probably be given a considerably briefer warning ban.

But we need more staff input here.

@Mr. Bambu @Agnaa @Qawsedf234 @LephyrTheRevanchist @GrathOfLux @SomebodyData @FinePoint

What do you think about this? 🙏

Regarding Recon's case, I don't think he should receive any form of punishment now for his old violation, as he has already been warned for it. Furthermore, we never really had a proper rule regarding dark humor, which is something we are working on now and he listened to his prevous warning and didn't repeat or did anything severe. I also don't believe this new report should be linked to his previous violation of a 'supposed threat.' Given that it is nowhere near a ban-worthy offense, it warrants a warning at most, but same goes for DbzDb2, which i will not really recommend but only offer that they both are made to ignore each other in future. Also, Recon seems to have made such statements in the past too in non-serious tone many times.



 
These comments here actually do seem like death threats. Were these ones discussed before? I'm not sure we'd have concluded that the comments weren't death threats if these had been included in the report.

Honestly, I do get not wanting to re-punish someone for old reports, even if any similar comments made now should warrant an instant ban.

It does seem as if the best course of action is to make them unable to see each other's posts.
 
These comments here actually do seem like death threats.
well I'd say might be difference of perspective since i see these kinda comments kinda often off site made as in non serious tone

Were these ones discussed before? I'm not sure we'd have concluded that the comments weren't death threats if these had been included in the report.

Honestly, I do get not wanting to re-punish someone for old reports, even if any similar comments made now should warrant an instant ban.
I checked them and they do not appear to be any serious to me and neither any of them have been reported ever likely because members here do not appear to take these kind of comments any serious than exaggerated version of "you need some beating".
 
well I'd say might be difference of perspective since i see these kinda comments kinda often off site made as in non serious tone
It is true that experience shapes how you perceive such things.

My experience of such comments has usually been from people that meant what they said, so I'm naturally inclined to take these comments more seriously.
I checked them and they do not appear to be any serious to me and neither any of them have been reported ever likely because members here do not appear to take these kind of comments any serious than exaggerated version of "you need some beating".
I do see where you're coming from, and the person does appear to be trolling. At very best it's still a messed up sentiment to express.
 
This is getting tiresome. This will be my last message on this thread, as long as the staff does the bare minimum and prevents Recon and myself from seeing each other. I thank all the staff that participated in this shіtshow of a situation.
This was already resolved before, what DbzDb2 is arguing now is because I still show contempt and snark for him my previous "threats" were "genuine". This is a massive leap in logic that shouldn't even be accounted for, I saw that one of you suggested a way for us to not see each others messages, I'm fine with that.

I didn't get to see the deleted comment DbzDb2 posted, but it seems it was pretty bad perhaps that should be given a second look.
It's not a massive leap in logic. You have outwardly expressed hostility towards me on multiple occasions. This might sound harsh, but quite frankly I couldn't care less about you. I've been part of this community for years before you were here, and for some reason you decided to start beef with me even though I don't know who the hell you even are.

Think about it like this. If I call my friend an idiot, I can make a logical claim that it was a lighthearted joke. But you are not my friend, you're some rando that popped up one day and is strangely obsessed with threats of harm and murder. I have no desire to be friends with a person like that.

You cannot claim that what you said was a joke, because you made no effort to show any sarcasm or lightheartedness in your initial death threat. Anyone with half a brain will know that a death threat CANNOT be received well, especially through an online message to a stranger. You were very well aware that your messages are harmful.

Furthermore, your undeniable expressions of contempt and hostility towards me on other occasions are enough proof that you DO harbor negative feelings towards me. You cannot claim that you were joking after saying "you should be murdered" to someone you clearly do not like. You were upset at how I was talking to Coomander so you threatened me with harm. End of discussion.
 
These comments here actually do seem like death threats. Were these ones discussed before? I'm not sure we'd have concluded that the comments weren't death threats if these had been included in the report.

Honestly, I do get not wanting to re-punish someone for old reports, even if any similar comments made now should warrant an instant ban.

It does seem as if the best course of action is to make them unable to see each other's posts.
I'd step in and agree that these seem very far removed from being death threats, in my view.

I do think just blocking them from seeing each other's post is a possible solution to this.
 
I'd step in and agree that these seem very far removed from being death threats, in my view.
The comments I was referring to do seem to directly threaten to kill people though.

I can say at very least that the specific actions described don't sound like the genuine death threats I've heard in real life.

It's still a disgusting thing to say, in all honesty.
I do think just blocking them from seeing each other's post is a possible solution to this.
That seems best to me too.
 
I'd step in and agree that these seem very far removed from being death threats, in my view.

I do think just blocking them from seeing each other's post is a possible solution to this.
I think this is the best choice.

Personally, I can see both sides on the comments (as jokes and actual insults/threats), but that might be due to my own upbringing on the web during a “wild-west” period of the internet.
 
Vzearr has made another appeal. I requested him to leave it until now, and am comfortable posting it now, since it's been a month since the initial ban date.

Last appeal (and ensuing discussion) was back here.

My thoughts on it will be after another break, at the bottom of this post.




Hello, in this appeal, I am arguing that the extent of my ban should not have been maintained on the basis that I appealed multiple times, particularly when those appeals contained substantive reasoning, accountability, and proposed safeguards. An appeal system is meant to function as a corrective mechanism, not as a one-time allowance that becomes invalid purely through repetition. When staff dismiss an appeal solely because it is not the first one, without addressing the content of what is being said, the process stops being about correction or fairness and becomes purely punitive.

I am also arguing against the reasoning to keep my ban extended.

First of all, I take full responsibility for my conduct. I got frustrated and allowed it to override my regular judgment, and I failed to actually properly disengage when discussions became annoying to me. That was my failure, and I accept the consequences that followed. However:

Since the ban, my circumstances have fundamentally changed.

I am now on life changing medication that has significantly improved my emotional regulation, impulses (which were so severe I was scared to go outside), and overall stability, hell, I EVEN GOT MY FULL LICENSE (congratulations shall be accepted).

Because of this, I am more capable of disengaging from heated discussions where I get angry, recognizing escalation early, and stepping away before things turn unproductive. I am not asking staff to take this on faith and my words alone, I am confident this will be reflected in my conduct on the wiki if given the opportunity to come back fully.




Now, I'll get the main important thing out of the way; I was already fine with Vzearr being unbanned now (after one month) due to his previous appeal, and this appeal doesn't change my thoughts on that.

However, I do feel the need to point at an inaccuracy I see in his appeal. He says:
Hello, in this appeal, I am arguing that the extent of my ban should not have been maintained on the basis that I appealed multiple times, particularly when those appeals contained substantive reasoning, accountability, and proposed safeguards. An appeal system is meant to function as a corrective mechanism, not as a one-time allowance that becomes invalid purely through repetition. When staff dismiss an appeal solely because it is not the first one, without addressing the content of what is being said, the process stops being about correction or fairness and becomes purely punitive.
That is flagrantly not what happened. It was rejected because the appeal was insufficient in its content, didn't present sufficient accountability or sound enough reasoning for those who responded. The multiple appeals were an aggravating factor due to that lining up with times when Vzearr before had launched off multiple appeals for the same thing, days apart, without adding anything new of substance. Vzearr's framing of why the previous appeals were rejected is factually incorrect.
 
I am fine with if Vzearr is allowed to return. I think that our ban against him was too long. 🙏
 
I think the decided ban length should still be unchanged based on what Agnaa pointed out. The way he appeals still comes off as manipulative.
Agree. Tonally, this seems the same as all of his other appeals. I'd rather just not afford an appeal. We've been burned several times already, I feel.
 
Three months from the start, so two months remain.
That actually seems reasonable, if I'm being objective. Vzearr's offense was a pretty aggressive rant towards Mr Bambu with no real provocation. I'm all for your efforts of continuing to talk with Vzearr, and I strongly appreciate how helpful he is on content moderation, but I don't think two months longer is that unreasonable in this situation.
 
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heyo, am posting this here because its like the third time a comment like this comes from this user, he said he will keep spamming CRT until staff or us get like super mad, here is the message itself:


Why all these off-topic comments? Fine, I will reopen the same topic again and again, despite all of you. Go ahead and keep trying to ruin it. There is no respect, nothing at all not even respect . Someone opens a topic and it turns into nonsense, mockery, provocation, sabotage, threats, hostility, and clowning… very nice. But the topic will be reopened if it gets ruined, over and over again. Let’s see who gets tired first.

Oh yeah he also erased all of the insults, so he deff knew what he was doing lol
 

heyo, am posting this here because its like the third time a comment like this comes from this user, he said he will keep spamming CRT until staff or us get like super mad, here is the message itself:


Why all these off-topic comments? Fine, I will reopen the same topic again and again, despite all of you. Go ahead and keep trying to ruin it. There is no respect, nothing at all not even respect . Someone opens a topic and it turns into nonsense, mockery, provocation, sabotage, threats, hostility, and clowning… very nice. But the topic will be reopened if it gets ruined, over and over again. Let’s see who gets tired first.

Oh yeah he also erased all of the insults, so he deff knew what he was doing lol

Repeatedly remaking a rejected thread is against the rules, if that is indeed what's happening.
 
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Repeatedly remaking a rejected thread repeatedly is against the rules, if that is indeed what's happening.
just posting this here because he said HE WILL do it because staff closes their threads ''for no reason''. So I think he should get at least advise on how to move on the site, he was super mad making out of place comments on the CRT, and he knew what he was doing because he erased ALMOST ALL of the insults. And this is not the first time he has done this (iirc he said the same comments on the DB 1-C upgrade). So am just posting this here in case he in fact starts spaming the same thread over and over again.
 
just posting this here because he said HE WILL do it because staff closes their threads ''for no reason''. So I think he should get at least advise on how to move on the site, he was super mad making out of place comments on the CRT, and he knew what he was doing because he erased ALMOST ALL of the insults. And this is not the first time he has done this (iirc he said the same comments on the DB 1-C upgrade). So am just posting this here in case he in fact starts spaming the same thread over and over again.
I remember him being cagey with some prior DB upgrade attempts, particularly with regards to DB Heroes.
 
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