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For the time manip stuff, I don't believe it's leading question? Since the author previously stated that the LMK characters are beyond physical laws. I'm just asking him to elaborate further on what does it mean (I even already mentioned this in a CRT before)@Sdjlakjh Anything you have to say in your defense?
Thing is, the author himself said that said characters can escape a blackhole as they are beyond physical laws. The only question I gave is what does he meant by being beyond physical laws?Asking authors for evidence for our hobby is considered leading and a rule violation in of itself. It is not allowed period, following many negative outcomes of such behavior in the past (read: Devil May Cry). If this is you, this is a legitimate rule violation, and it bears stating plainly that any such "evidence" gathered in this way is unusable for our site.
Again, I already explained all this in a CRT that I proposed for LMK characters having resistanceThing is, the author himself said that said characters can escape a blackhole as they are beyond physical laws. The only question I gave is what does he meant by being beyond physical laws?
A leading question is based on a framework that has no reference to the source material or author statement. It only counts as leading if I ask him: "is this character beyond concepts?" As there is no reference to the original source
I will state for the purposes of the thread my opinion.Thing is, the author himself said that said characters can escape a blackhole as they are beyond physical laws. The only question I gave is what does he meant by being beyond physical laws?
A leading question is based on a framework that has no reference to the source material or author statement. It only counts as leading if I ask him: "is this character beyond concepts?" As there is no reference to the original source
As I read your rules, author statements are fine if they have references to the source material. As we are focusing on the spacetime manip resists, LMK characters beforehand was already showing such feats, I am simply usin the statement to see if such case could also be applied to their resistancesI will state for the purposes of the thread my opinion.
Action taken should be light- a warning at worst. Being unaware of our policies on the subject means that going forward, this behavior should not be repeated, but we should not go for maximum possible punishments. It goes without saying that evidence gathered via these questions is unusable. Any resistances added under the pretense of this evidence ought to be removed, regardless of what the author has said.
It's not a big deal, you just need to understand that it is against our rules.
As I remember in the vsbattle rule, statements are fine if it's within the source material. I did not simply ask the author "hey are LMK characters boundless"? That would be a violation
Author statements are usable in most circumstances. Asking the author for evidence is never usable and is a violation of our rules. You asking is a rule violation. If you read the rules, you would know this, and thus I encourage you to drop it. Evidence gained in this manner cannot be used, plainly and simply. You cannot argue against the fact that the rule exists, and so I see little point in carrying on.As I read your rules, author statements are fine if they have references to the source material. As we are focusing on the spacetime manip resists, LMK characters beforehand was already showing such feats, I am simply usin the statement to see if such case could also be applied to their resistances
Hm so if character A was able to outsmart character B, I can't ask the author if char A was indeed smarter than B?Author statements are usable in most circumstances. Asking the author for evidence is never usable and is a violation of our rules. You asking is a rule violation. If you read the rules, you would know this, and thus I encourage you to drop it. Evidence gained in this manner cannot be used, plainly and simply. You cannot argue against the fact that the rule exists, and so I see little point in carrying on.
Well thought so cause I was just asking his opinion on what he thinks of my docs (it was already accepted beforehand in the website so it's not my goal to try leading question)I guess I should of clarified in my original report. I used the google doc as proof that the account is owned by you, not that it has anything to do with asking leading questions.
You can't ask authors powerscaling related questions, correct. No matter the content of the question it is considered pestering and potentially leading, and thus a rule violation.Hm so if character A was able to outsmart character B, I can't ask the author if char A was indeed smarter than B?
Sure I'll see that soonYou can't ping members, nor is this the place to suggest changes to rules. You will need to create a Staff Discussion thread. I will spare you the time, if you like, by saying that this rule is absolutely necessary, and you really should not, rules or not, be pestering authors for powerscaling stuff. It's a rule for what I consider a good reason.
Now then. As you do not have any real defense on this subject, I will consider an informal warning to knock it off sufficient. If other staff disagree, they may say as much- otherwise, I consider the matter concluded. I will delete unnecessary posts.
Just a question regarding if somebody should inform Artorimachi about the more specific reasons why he was banned via a private Discord conversation or similar.What was the unacceptable and unsettling behavior in question? Arto asked me to ask a few clarification questions for him over discord so he can figure out what exactly is going on, and how to appeal. (only getting involved in this because I was asked to by the other party, and I would feel bad if something like this stuck on his reputation.)
Was this behavior reported, text, or nsfw links and images? The only nsfw things Artorimachi believed he sent were to a male, and someone who isn’t even related to the forum in anyway.
He also asked if the reported account is his original account, or his new one. The original one got lost to a scam.
There is a valid concern about hyper-strict adherence to the profiles,as purely based on the profiles, Hit would completely hax-stomp Zeno.I have closed this thread because of heavy spiraling into trolling, shitposting and blatant defiance of our discussion rules and verse equalization for the pure sake of spiting on the rules.
I'm not going to point fingers or make names since I have no time for it, just know the whole purpose of the thread was to instigate ruckus and various users have repeteadly ignored me and others' references to our vs rules, editing rules and first and foremost common sense.
Not the thread for this discussion, but that doesn't appear to be true. I see nothing in Hit's profile that would allow him to defeat Zeno based on Zeno's profile.There is a valid concern about hyper-strict adherence to the profiles,as purely based on the profiles, Hit would completely hax-stomp Zeno.
Any sane DB watcher/reader would know that hit gets erased instantly, though.
what should be done in cases like these, where the profiles clearly contradict the inverse showings? A user in that thread mentioned someone attempted to rectify this change, it got added, and then a staff re-opened it and "FRA-chained" it to get the changes removed.
just to paint a picture, here are Zeno's resistances.Not the thread for this discussion, but that doesn't appear to be true. I see nothing in Hit's profile that would allow him to defeat Zeno based on Zeno's profile.
- Existence Erasure (History & Space-Time; Survived the omnidirectional blast that erased Future Trunks' world from existence)
- Extrasensory Perception (Cannot be sensed by beings lesser than a "God")
- Extreme Heat (Other Gods can withstand the extremely high temperatures at the Earth's core without any protection)
- Extreme Cold & Cosmic Radiation (Able to survive in outer space, which is extremely cold[7][8] and filled with cosmic radiation)
Zeno has no resistances to either of these on his profile.
- Enhanced Time Manipulation (Can now store and suspend beings in time, creating his pocket reality based abilities)
- Durability Negation (His ki blasts can phase through conventional durability, crushing his opponent's inner parts)
Alright, SamanPatou did say to redirect any constructive discussion here,though.Best leave it for another thread.
Feel free to delete this if it's irrelevant, but the time hax aren't doing anything, I believe Jiren broke through it with raw power.just to paint a picture, here are Zeno's resistances.
i think we can all agree these are pretty bare bones.
Here are the haxes hit would have a win-con with, if we are purely basing this off of the profiles.
Zeno has no resistances to either of these on his profile.
Alright, SamanPatou did say to redirect any constructive discussion here,though.
This seems like a good idea.As I was involved with the VS Thread in question, I'd suggest to whoever is particulairly bothered to simply shift this to a Staff Only thread regarding Zeno resisting everything in-verse or not, to avoid cluttering this.
An update of this is that @Sdjlakjh is very insistent about using his own Author Statements and straight up refuses from using evidence from the verse because it's "too much" (even if that does not make sense as excuse).Reporting user @Sdjlakjh for using leading questions to wank a verse they support.
Currently, Lady Bone Demon's profile lists the character as having Resistance to Time-Space Manipulation. The evidence being a screenshot of a convo someone had with with the show's screenwriter, where they ask a leading question. I have reasons to believe that this account is owned by Sdjlakjh. Not only does the Twitter account (Archive) happen to share the same profile picture that Sdj has on the forum-
But Sdjlakhj was also warned by Ant for using a google doc of all things as scans for a character's intelligence. Which character was this applied to? Macaque. Coincidentally the same Twitter account also says they have a google doc that has scans and explanations for Macaque's intelligence. (Archive)
False. I never try to use leading questions again, I only explained why I did it before (already talked to Bambu about this)An update of this is that @Sdjlakjh is very insistent about using his own Author Statements and straight up refuses from using evidence from the verse because it's "too much" (even if that does not make sense as excuse).
I never said that you used leading questions in the report, only that you use your own author statements, even though your (failed) staff thread still cemented more the fact that you can't do that.False. I never try to use leading questions, I only explained why I did it before (already talked to Bambu about this)
Can you show me the part where I said I use the author statements asked by me?I never said that you used leading questions in the report, only that you use your own author statements, even though your (failed) staff thread still cemented more the fact that you can't do that.
So I don't need to pull up a blog to explain all at. Just the author directly stating is easierCan you show me the part where I said I use the author statements asked by me?
Yeah I said that for my reasoning why BEFOREHAND I used the author statement. I stopped using it after Bambu talked with meSo I don't need to pull up a blog to explain all at. Just the author directly stating is easier
I mean... don't lie at least.
Wdym an hour ago? I was only answering your question why did you use an author statement beforehand. Keyword: beforehandYou said that like a hour ago like... tf?
Imma just let the staff take care of this.
You said that like a hour ago like... tf?
Imma just let the staff take care of this.
Please do, this isn't a thread for an argument like this plus this issue should've been resolved here.Wdym an hour ago? I was only answering your question why did you use an author statement beforehand. Keyword: beforehand
I believe it's just a misunderstanding right now. Because he thought was I still using the leading author statements when I was only saying my reason why I did it before @Mr. Bambu talked with mePlease do, this isn't a thread for an argument like this plus this issue should've been resolved here.
Just drop the subject and let the powers at be decide if further action needs to be taken.