Ruby vs Elizabetta: Redux

[Antoniofer]

The power granted by Elan is something that works passively (generally), in fact, the user may not known that it has Elan; Romeo Exxet for example don't even believe in Azrael and Mikael existance (he actually think he is the Choosen One and those powers are granted by the christian God), and Ra-Me-Tek can stop killing beings with his Death Stare. So it works as long the it cover the requeriments.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Oh, then Eli likely takes this after a while of banking on her luck.

 

[Schnee_One]

So.

What are the votes again?

They kinda reset after I labeled the versions.

 

[Antoniofer]

Last post that counted the votes stated 3 votes for Eli (Dargoo, Ricsi, Bambu). Not sure if they have changed their mind (At least Dargoo hasn't changed his mind); also, is possible that Eli's AP changes, but Kep hasn't commented in the last change in the calc.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

I am still voting for Eli for now.

 

[Wokistan]

If the gap isGap is 5.6x, Eli's not really able to damage runy. Am I missing some type of durability negation? Because luck andlick and probability on their own aren't going to cause damage.

 

[Schnee_One]

I'll keep Daroo and Bambu fn

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

If the gap isGap is 5.6x, Eli's not really able to damage runy. Am I missing some type of durability negation? Because luck andlick and probability on their own aren't going to cause damage.

Pain/Fear/Empathy Manipulation.

 

[Wokistan]

Can she do that to a degree that incaps for a day though?

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

I'd ask Ant.

Not to say it's impossible for Eli to kill Ruby while she's entirely incapacitated, such as just choking her out.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Just saying again you can definitely harm people over that gap.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Dargoo No, the gap for a match to be an AP stomp is 5x

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Where is this mystical rule written

Because if it is an official thing I have yet to see it, and yet everyone has just decided it exists

 

[WeeklyBattles]

In basically every VS Thread ever, its an unspoken rule. Go ahead and ask any of the staff theyll all tell you the same thing

 

[Mr. Bambu]

So this isn't a rule and it's headcanon.

Understood lol.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

(Headcanon, I may add, that is directly contradicted by the official rule saying there is no value for this)

 

[WeeklyBattles]

No, it is 100% a rule

 

[WeeklyBattles]

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/1449318

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Make a thread if you feel differently but a 5x gap in AP is the generally accepted gap for a thread to be an AP stomp

 

[Mr. Bambu]

"Make a thread to change this rule that doesn't exist and even my link contradicts as the only admin on that thread says that there is no value"

Right on my guy, keep on chugging lol

 

[Mr. Bambu]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/One-Shot

"The gap needed to qualify varies from verse to verse, which makes a one-shot from a VS Battles standpoint very hard to determine."

There is no official gap, please, stop spreading misinformation.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

I dont appreciate your mocking tone. Make a thread or drop the argument.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

I don't need to make a thread because the rule literally doesn't exist. It isn't a thing, your "evidence" is directly contradicted. So, Weekly, I will kindly ask you to make a thread if you believe such a rule should be in place.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

No, you are the one who needs to make a thread as the 5x gap being a stomp is a thing that very much exists.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

"Ask any staff"

> Cal: "It doesn't exist."

Stop derailing. It isn't a thing lol.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

It is very much a thing, you simply refuse to accept it.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Show me the rule, then. Bring to me the thread that accepted it. Anything. Because as of right now, our One Shot page (linked by the way in case you wanna read it) directly contradicts what you're saying. The thread you linked to as "proof" also directly contradicts what you're saying.

So. Just give me proof. Or drop it.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

I'll do you one better. I made a thread solely to prove you wrong and get the rule added.

 

[KuuIchigo]

I think Elizabetta wins fra.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

So there is no proof and we're now moving to make one. Better, at least.

My vote remains for Eli. Moving on.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Cool

Ruby still treats creatures that are several times stronger than Eli as fodder that she can one-shot in verse so Ruby still oneshots

 

[Mr. Bambu]

> this is an ap stomp in favor of ruby and is a stomp and should be closed

> now that my previous case was disproved, i will sit here and say ap is the only defining matter despite my newly highlighted thread having responses also saying the opposite to this- hax matters

alright. still voting on Eli FRA.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

It was never an AP stomp in favor of Eli lol, she's baseline 8-C

Eli doesnt have any hax that would let her beat Ruby, meanwhile Ruby speedblitzes and oneshots

 

[Mr. Bambu]

"Speed is obviously equal"

"speed blitzes"

I'd also like to note Eli has Speed Amp. So she can get the speed advantage in-match.

"Eli has no hax"

Has Willpower Manip, Precog, Fear Manip, Causality Manip, and so on. And Eli can actually harm Ruby, as established.

Alright man whatever you say.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Ruby has a speed amp that allows her to speed blitz people twice as fast as her and she spams it in combat in character

 

[Mr. Bambu]

So they both speed amp.

On speed equal.

Nice.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Ruby's speed amp > Elis'

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Gonna need some proof and even then, Eli's speed amp is not really my main reason for voting for her. It's the hax being blatantly ignored.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Eli's doesnt allow her to speedblitz people twice as fast as herself

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Gonna need some proof and even then, Eli's speed amp is not really my main reason for voting for her. It's the hax being blatantly ignored.

I'm just gonna leave this thread, I have a distinct feeling that in the face of whatever argument your opinion will not change. Gonna go do some calcs. Maybe get a milkshake. Cheers folks.