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Atlas/Ever After Ruby and War Phase (Part II) Shez are being used
fight takes place in Vacuo

Ruby Rose:
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Ruby's ap: Downscales from 7.4 exatons (Ruby (team rwby without aura could survive a blast from madien cinder (someone who scales to baseline moon level) but were blasted into the void despite being able to fly via ki) << Neo (Atlas Arc: easily beat team JNR + Oscar. Fought off Atlas Arc Ruby and Blake at the same time, only losing via not knowing how to fly) < Neo (Vol 9: stronger then before) < Ruby (engaged) (stomped one of Neo's illusion clones that was stomping her) < Bann (post zenki: 7.4 Exatons, Bann is 4 times weaker then cinder without his semblance (baseline moon level).)

Ruby's aura can take hundreds of attacks from others on her level and her auras maximum durability cap is 70 times her base durability of 7.4 Exatons, but can still break from overtime damage like a health bar in a video game

Skill chain:

At the bottom of the skill chain is aura users as a whole. While every living being in RWBY technically has Aura, actually being able to utilize it for things such as defense, regen, and senses requires years of training and a high enough degree of martial skill (and yes you actually need martial skill for it) that only a small percentage of the population of the entire planet ever become skilled enough to utilize their aura. Of that small percentage, an even smaller percentage ever become skilled enough to manifest/control a Semblance (yes semblances are also skill-based). To reach this small percentage comes to the second half of the bottom of the chain: Almost every character worth their salt in RWBY has spent their entire life training in combat and can fight hordes of Grimm with little issue (Almost because Jaune exists). The entirety of the main cast of RWBY was initially enrolled at Beacon Academy, one of the most prestigious combat schools in the world, with almost everyone who was accepted there having been trained for almost their entire life to fight monsters, and each one that was not professionally trained requiring a skill display overseen by Ozpin, who has the composite skill of several thousand professional huntsmen that he accumulated over his immortal lifetime.


Thats the baseline for skill in the verse.


Moving up the chain we have Nebula Violette, who not only outmatched Velvet in a 1v1 test of martial arts skill, but was directly stated to be more skilled than Velvet in combat despite Velvet mixing numerous fighting styles to try to throw her off in their fight.


Above her is Pyrrha Nikos, the skill god of the Beacon Arc. Pyrrha is one of the most skilled students at Beacon Academy, having won every combat tournament she has entered since she was a pre-teen due to both her mastery of combat and mastery of her semblance, being able to apply it in combat completely undetected and having done so in almost every fight she's been in for over a decade, doing so with such skill and precision that she has lead many to believe she is untouchable and invincible as no one has been able to even land a blow on her in her combat career. Even without her semblance she has shown the ability to quickly and easily adapt to her combat situation and analyze her opponents while fighting and changing tactics to suit the situation she is in. She has shown extreme accuracy, being able to hit moving targets from hundreds of meters away and strike vital weak points on an opponent mid-combat both with and without the aid of her semblance. She is also highly skilled at using her weapon's multiple forms in combat, being able to switch between forms several times in rapid succession to both deliver rapid attacks and counter others simultaneously.


Then theres Mercury. Mercury is a veritable master of close combat, having spent his entire life training in pure martial combat to make up for his Semblance being stolen by his father. He is shown to be a very acrobatic and agile fighter who relies upon quickly overpowering his opponent with complex kicks that imply a near-mastery of martial arts that resemble Tae-Kwon-Do. He is also capable of a break-dancing style, similar to Capoeira, and makes use of Muay Thai as well. Despite his focus on kicks, Mercury also uses his hands to grapple, block or redirect enemy attacks. His experience and skill are aggressive and effective enough to drive even fighters of a high caliber, like Pyrrha, into a defensive position, with Word of God confirming that Mercury would defeat her if he fought her seriously. Due to his fighting style, Mercury relies on his swift and quick reflexes to counter and block his opponent's attacks as first demonstrated during his fight with Yang Xiao Long, altering the course of her punches and using his footwork to raise her fists and kick underneath or around her attacks. Despite the presumed awkwardness of his weapon's ranged capabilities he is a skilled marksman, able to shoot a phone out of a person's hand from a good distance away, and is proficient at using the many different forms of projectiles at his disposal to keep his opponents off balance. Mercury is also known to be observant, tactical, and analytical, able to notice and deduce the capabilities and limits of Pyrrha's Polarity Semblance after she uses it once during their brief fight, despite Pyrrha using it extremely subtly in combat and having spent her entire life honing her ability to hide her Semblance and its mechanics from her opponents and the general public.


Then there's the Ace Ops. For reference, Atlas Academy's vetting process is canonically more strict than Beacon's due to it being a military school on top of a Huntsman academy, so they only accept the best of the best. All of the members of the Ace Ops graduated top of their class from Atlas Academy, meaning that they are quite literally the best of the best of the best. Ruby not only outmatched Harriet Bree, but scales to the rest of her team in skill who also outmatched members of the Ace ops, Elm in particular being canonically the most skilled person out of all the ace ops, with Clover being the only member ranked above her in combat solely due to his semblance rather than outright skill, and Yang outmatched her in combat. Included in this group is also Winter, who spent her entire military career training to be the replacement host of the Winter Maiden and even without the Maiden Powers is considered the most skilled soldier in the Atlas Military.

This version of Ruby is even more skilled then that due to learning ki at Beacon in a week

Ruby learns how to use ki a week and they know how to use ki better then Videl minus flying

According to Gohan, it's not all that easy to use ki, and Videl's quick picking up of ki control was, in large part, due to her martial arts training. She still had to take time to learn how to even access it, much less control the flow of it, so it'd be all the harder for a normal person to. But Videl had no control over her ki control and can't shoot ki blasts unlike ruby after a week of training back during beacons break

She also scales In skill to Bann:
Skill feats for Bann Belladonna AKA my Crossover AU Goku

Beacon arc:


Fought alongside his step-sister Blake and Adam for years


Trained his whole life in martial arts to the point he is naive to almot anything outside of anything to do with combat


Got into beacon without going to a combat school and without a weapon other then his hands, kicks and ki attacks


mimicked pennys beam with ki and made the Kamehameha just after seeing her use her beam once


he taught team JNPR how to use ki during their break


Fought on par with phyrra in the food fight with his hand to hand skills


Could tell mercury was holding back against phyrra and questioned why he quit after seeing her semblance


Figured out Cinder (who they only knew as a mystery woman in all black) using soothing other then a semblance or dust to freeze Him, Ruby and piccolo in the CTT was definitely not ki nor dust or even a semblance but didn't know exactly what it was


Made it to the finals of the tournament with piccolo and his team picking him to go to the finals


Believes yang saw what she actually saw and explains to them he thinks there is something up with that mercury guy but he just doesn't know what


Hears from velvet that coco also saw something that wasn't there in the match against merc and em alongside ruby, making Bann wonder if mercury has a ability to make people see things


See's emerald in the tournament still even though she said she was going to go with mercury so he gets up to figure out what's going on alongside ruby


When he sees mercury and the next fight is phyrra vs penny, bann figures out why mercury held back and stop fighting against phyrra when she showed her semblance


Bann holds off mercury with orange amp (his semblance that gives him a 4x boost in power) and predicts some of his moves but is forced to run away as he still was being overwhelmed


Mistrial arc:


Knew how to fight with his new gun Sword By copying how his sister fought with her weapon


Tried to help Ruby fight Tyrain, but Tyrain was too strong and fast for him but he did dodge some of his hits via predicting them like he did with mercury


Cut off Tyrains tail after he poisoned Qrow before Ruby did it


Ozpin saw bann as a good person for helping Ruby and Oscar to learn hand to hand combat better while he isn't controlling Oscar


after training in haven, all the group learned how to fly via Ki


Fought vol 5 mercury alongside Yang and was beating him together until emerald showed up to use her semblance


Saw that hazel was a massive problem so he made a Shockwave to knock emerald and mercury down to go deal with hazel instead and told piccolo to help yang out while he flies at hazel to use a gravity bash on him (but with normal ki)


He and Nora eventually get elected by hazel but both him and Nora throw him over their shoulders and hit him with a hammer ki blast with both their semblances to make a combo attack to send him flying


Fought Adam alongside Yang and then latter him and Blake and yang fight him but Blake is launched away like normal but


both him and yang know to dodge his attacks and then grab his sword using both their semblances to punch him away and break and throw his sword away


Atlas arc:

watched the Ace-Ops spring into action battling the Grimm, while Teams RWBY and JNR + Piccolo watch the action unfold in awe, Bann was watching intensely to focus on their level of skill which was better then him at the time and it impressed him (important as team RWBY after two weeks of training beat the ace opts, despite them going all out)


trained with Penny and Winter (who are more skilled then the ace opts) for a few weeks in Atlas


both him and Penny fighting back against the ace opts working together even without orange amp or the maiden powers in a 4 v 2


on amity Bann could fight and easily avoid attacks from Neo and counter without using any ki blasts or anything


could fight back against Cinder with Penny despite Bann being 4 times weaker without orange Amp and being 4 times slower then her, he could still dodge her attacks via prediction


was smart enough to know Cinder was splitting the four of them up to attack Penny and flew through the fire without a aura knowing the fire won't hurt him due to his natural resistance and grabbed Penny with a plan to go down fighting above the void in a beam struggle


Ever After arc:


train with Penny on and off for a year in the ever after and learned to control his great ape form with training, something only Saiyan Elites can do and did something that no other saiyan at that point has done or thought of, using the power of a great ape in humanoid form to get rid of the lumbering moments and getting Wrathful, controlling it


could fight against all of Neo's clones all at once and not get hit once and easily stomped them with Orange amp when he was done playing games


Fought against NeoCat wigh Yang, Blake and Penny and all of them could hold their own, fought the Furious Cat in Wrathful and with them being on par, Bann was still struggling

my crossover AU Ozpin unironically scales to skill to prime demon king piccolo via fighting on par with him to the point it ends with a draw with both of them dying 200+ years ago

Prime Demon King Piccolo is comparable to skill to demon king piccolo arc Goku

Because this Ruby is comparable to skill to Bann who can fight against Cinder using orange amp being on par with her but lost because OA drains aura and is normally 4 times weaker and also Penny who can also fight against Cinder and only lost due to not being used to a human body at that time and focused on protecting others, bann fought on par with the Furious Cat in wrathful and Ruby could also fight the Furious Cat as well

Cinder killed ozpin and could fight well against him despite ozpin being alive for thousands of years and trained with kami, Bann and Penny can fight against a more skilled Cinder and Bann can fight against the Furious Cat and Ruby can too

Tldr Ruby's combat skill is on the level of Kid Goku during the King Piccolo arc
 
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Ruby is pretty skilled and has a few helpful resistances for Shez’s elements and her semblance to avoid attacks. She also has a good LS and Range advantage. However Shez has a plethora of things Ruby doesn’t seem to have an answer for like black hole creation and durability negation. Both can heal but Ruby’s speedy nature will likely get her hit more than Shez who has far more ranged options and forcefields. Shez also resists temperature manipulation, magic, and status effect inducement meaning he can resist a portion of Ruby’s kit. Shez also has extrasensory perception and teleportation to avoid Ruby.

I think the fight will consist of Ruby trying to break into Shez’s zone and Shez trying to layer on status effects and elemental attacks until finding the right thing to take Ruby down. Overall, I think Shez wins this.
 
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Ruby is pretty skilled and has a few helpful resistances for Shez’s elements and her semblance to avoid attacks. She also has a good LS and Range advantage. However Shez has a plethora of things Ruby doesn’t seem to have an answer for like black hole creation and durability negation. Both can heal but Ruby’s speedy nature will likely get her hit more than Shez who has far more ranged options and forcefields. Shez also resists temperature manipulation and status effect inducement meaning he can resist a portion of Ruby’s kit. Shez also has extrasensory perception and teleportation to avoid Ruby.

I think the fight will consist of Ruby trying to break into Shez’s zone and Shez trying to layer on status effects and elemental attacks until finding the right thing to take Ruby down. Overall, I think Shez wins this.
Also Ruby is faster then shez too

So that helps her dodge and avoid attacks like that too. Although speed gap isn't a speed blitz until Ruby uses her semblance
 
Also Ruby is faster then shez too

So that helps her dodge and avoid attacks like that too. Although speed gap isn't a speed blitz until Ruby uses her semblance
Yeah, since her only way of blitzing is Semblance, she’ll really have to try and get huge hits or capatilize on the LS gap. From what I can tell it’s more likely the former which Shez will have an easier time responding to.
 
Also Shez mostly attacks with her sword + telporting rather then magic

I see, if she tries direct confrontation, Ruby can overwhelm with speed but teleportation counters that, and there’s still resistances and healing to take into account on both sides both of which I think Shez has better of. Ruby’s rifle is practically useless with status effect and magic resistances.
 
I see, if she tries direct confrontation, Ruby can overwhelm with speed but teleportation counters that, and there’s still resistances and healing to take into account on both sides both of which I think Shez has better of. Ruby’s rifle is practically useless with status effect and magic resistances.
War Phase (Part II) Shez scales to 5.6 Exatons, and her awakened state can easily stomp characters that are comparable to her base form and Shez scales to 3.9c, Shez scales to 101.48 Metric Tons

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Ruby downscaling from 7.4 exatons from Bann's base form, but without a aura can survive attack from people who are baseline moon level, Ruby is 4.12c, speed blitz amp with her semblance, and her lifting strength is downscales from 22526777128.8 kg (Class G), aura let's her take 70 7.4 exaton attacks before breaking

So Ruby is faster, stronger, way more durable with aura, probably more skilled, faster

But shez has abilities to counter this but goes for CQC first with her sword and air/energy slashes and teleport to avoid getting hit by deadly blows first then her magic
 
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Multi-Continent level (Should be comparable to Weiss, who survived an attack from Cinder without Aura), Varies from higher up to Small Planet level at peak with Aura and Ice Dust

Since her aura durability it varies shouldn’t we just assume it’s higher instead of a different tier?
 
Multi-Continent level (Should be comparable to Weiss, who survived an attack from Cinder without Aura), Varies from higher up to Small Planet level at peak with Aura and Ice Dust

Since her aura durability it varies shouldn’t we just assume it’s higher instead of a different tier?
aura let's her take 70 7.4 exaton attacks before breaking

That's why it has a varies rating for my Crossover au

(Aura functions as a forcefield with a cumulative durability, depicted as a 'health bar', and allows her to take dozens of hits from opponents as strong as herself without any significant injury. Aura's damage cap is 70 times, due to character's aura protecting them from Yang's semblance at max power, surviving multiple attacks from characters 4 to 10 times stronger then them)
 
So would it be able to resist Shez’s more haxy abilities like defense reduction and Luna black hole creation? Also, would making opponents unable to guard count towards aura or just make Ruby physically unable to block in your opinion? Shez also has critical hits and other forms of damage boost to break through aura eventually with their superhuman stamina.
 
So would it be able to resist Shez’s more haxy abilities like defense reduction and Luna black hole creation
Nah
would making opponents unable to guard count towards aura or just make Ruby physically unable to block in your opinion
No it wouldn't, it just would mean that Ruby is unable to block. Not turn of her subconscious forcefield around her body
Shez also has critical hits and other forms of damage boost to break through aura eventually with their superhuman stamina.
Fair, but she's going to actually beat Ruby and given shez focus mainly on fighting with her sword, air slashes and energy slashes + teleporting in all cutscenes, rather than her magic that's going to be hard given that
War Phase (Part II) Shez scales to 5.6 Exatons, and her awakened state can easily stomp characters that are comparable to her base form and Shez scales to 3.9c, Shez scales to 101.48 Metric Tons

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Ruby downscaling from 7.4 exatons from Bann's base form, but without a aura can survive attack from people who are baseline moon level, Ruby is 4.12c, speed blitz amp with her semblance, and her lifting strength is downscales from 22526777128.8 kg (Class G), aura let's her take 70 7.4 exaton attacks before breaking

So Ruby is faster, stronger, way more durable with aura, probably more skilled, faster

But shez has abilities to counter this but goes for CQC first with her sword and air/energy slashes and teleport to avoid getting hit by deadly blows first then her magic
 
So Ruby is faster, stronger, way more durable with aura, probably more skilled, faster

But shez has abilities to counter this but goes for CQC first with her sword and air/energy slashes and teleport to avoid getting hit by deadly blows first then her magic
Ruby does take the stats by a slight margin aside from dura because of aura but Shez should take skill going off the scaling chain, being able to beat Jeralt who has 300 years of experience and is the greatest knight in history and no diffing very skilled soldiers as well as matching Byleth. Close quarters may not be as risky as it first seemed. Ruby is a rushdown while Shez seems more focused on countering with their teleportation and ranged attacks. And there’s always the chance something like Luna is used and gives Shez more of an edge.
 
Ruby does take the stats by a slight margin aside from dura because of aura but Shez should take skill going off the scaling chain, being able to beat Jeralt who has 300 years of experience and is the greatest knight in history and no diffing very skilled soldiers as well as matching Byleth. Close quarters may not be as risky as it first seemed. Ruby is a rushdown while Shez seems more focused on countering with their teleportation and ranged attacks. And there’s always the chance something like Luna is used and gives Shez more of an edge.
Fair enough, Ruby is as skilled as Kid Goku from the demon skill Piccolo arc in terms of fighting (not martial arts) but rather skilled enough to fight characters that skilled

And that goku had trained underneath Roshi, Korin who have hundreds of years experience too
 
Also doesn't Ruby have the range advantage?

Extended Melee Range with Crescent Rose, at least Hundreds of Meters with sniper rifle, Tens of Kilometers with ki blasts and attacks vs Tens of Meters with Melee Weapons (Ordinary melee weapons are capable of hitting opponents from a distance), Hundreds of Meters with Ranged Weaponry, Magic, and Teleportation (Ranged attacks are capable of hitting opponents from the opposite side of the battlefield. With their teleportation power, they can teleport across entire battlefields)
 
How good is Shez’s teleport, that could deal with those

8:26 (for more of how shez fights) against Jerald who's lived 300 years
13:32 (for more of how shez fights)
14:39 (a possessed shez using teleporting)
17:29 (shez fighting again)
50:38 (more shez fighting)

Also shez can't fly, Ruby can fly with ki

When she was losing against a more skilled and more powerful Neo, she flew above her and because Neo can't use ki attacks or fly, Ruby range spammed her while flying above her to make her fall into the void to the ever after due to them fighting on bridges above a void
 
Although I do believe that shez choing to go for CQC over her magic literally all the time will definitely screw her over

But that's my opinion
 
If Ruby tries range spam, Shez’s better ranged options probably beats them out
Also wouldn't shez, who mainly fights CQC with her swords be overwhelmed by Ruby's lifting strength and fast, ruthless fighting style with ki blasts mixed in the mix with her semblance on top of that as Ruby's a little bit faster, stronger and overwhelming powerful with gravity dust bullets and speed blitz with her semblance and her better lifting strength to disarm one of her weapons as shez can still summon one of her swords

Ap: higher with Gravity Dust (Attacks enhanced by Gravity Dust are significantly stronger than the user's normal attacks and are capable of shattering Ice Dust constructs)

Durability: Ice Dust (Her Ice dust was able to restrain Nadir (someone comparable to her) and the Atlesian Paladin (something stronger then her).)
 
Isn’t Dust Magic or am I wrong on that, Shez should have great resistance to that being a magician. But yeah I hadn’t thought about disarming so that could work granted she doesn’t teleport away and just summon a sword.
 
Isn’t Dust Magic or am I wrong on that, Shez should have great resistance to that being a magician. But yeah I hadn’t thought about disarming so that could work granted she doesn’t teleport away and just summon a sword.
Well it kinda is, sort of

And yeah, I did mention she can just summon one of her swords
 
Er bump, the Boros vs Shez thread goes more in detail what shez can do

So use that thread as a reference
 
“Shez has Danmaku, stat reduction, greater versatility, Damage Increase, Low-Mid Regeneration, Death Manipulation (Which gives the possibility of instant death), Stat Amplification, Damage Transfer... And much more, although all be active abilities that I don't know how in-character Shez is for her to use”

Aside from Death Manipulation, all these are good things for Shez to keep the advantage. I’ll keep my vote the same for now.
 
“Shez has Danmaku, stat reduction, greater versatility, Damage Increase, Low-Mid Regeneration, Death Manipulation (Which gives the possibility of instant death), Stat Amplification, Damage Transfer... And much more, although all be active abilities that I don't know how in-character Shez is for her to use”

Aside from Death Manipulation, all these are good things for Shez to keep the advantage. I’ll keep my vote the same for now.
yeah, Shez in the cut scenes i've shown never really uses her more versatile attacks first in character
 
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