Rimuru vs Mesprit

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Thing is, Rimuru has far more passives than is being listed here. Mind, madness, death, soul, sleep, fear all on a scale of 350,000, passive power null, another passive power null, statistics reduction, another passive death manipulation, another passive power null+info analysis, fate, and luck manipulation.

 

[Madotsuki24]

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So how does Rimuru win then? Is his concept type 3 2-A range?

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

No.

 

[Everything12]

Yes and no where close to the range to affect Mesprit with them.

 

[Madotsuki24]

So this is another Rimuru vs Arceus all over again, stomp for Mesprit.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Mespirit is omnipresent across a 2-B Multiverse, right? Rimuru can use turn null with multiversal range and sorta nuke it.

 

[Madotsuki24]

Yes, but that is only 10,000 universes range whilst Mesprit's is at least 20,000,000 universes range.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

What's Mespirit's wincon?

 

[Jinsye]

The Pokemon Multiverse is way bigger than Rimuru's range of tens of thousands of universes.

 

[Jinsye]

What's Mespirit's wincon?

Mindhax and soulhax that's way above Rimuru's resistance

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Yeah, stomp lol.

 

[Madotsuki24]

So yeah, Rimuru has absolutely no chance of winning, making this a stomp. If you want to do a Gen 4 legendary battle that isn't a stomp, make a character with 2-A or above range to fight them, otherwise they cannot win.

 

[Everything12]

Pretty sure that's a stomp the other way, especially considering theirs 4 other 2-B verses who stomp Arceus and then theirs that other 2-B verse

 

[MrDrProfessorPatricio]

In order to mindhax Rimuru you need to mindhax Ciel who is an abstract entity that resides in Rimuru's soul since he can just negate the Mind hax within Rimuru and she will develop resistance to it. And yeah Large Size in a countless universe means WN Rimuru can't do anything to Mesprit

 

[MrDrProfessorPatricio]

Just wait for the LN buffs since Rimuru can be tier 1 due to Nuclear Dimensions and more expansions on the verse

 

[I'm_Blue_daba_dee_daba_die]

Pretty sure that's a stomp the other way, especially considering theirs 4 other 2-B verses who stomp Arceus and then theirs that other 2-B verse

Let me guess, It's Xue Ying or Warhammer

 

[Everything12]

That and Destiny and Tokyo Babel's Acausality Type 5.

But anyway, its a NLF to negate and gain resistqnce something on a potency countless levels higher then anything they've dealt with without any feats.

 

[MrDrProfessorPatricio]

Uhm from what I understand, the higher potency advantage only allows you to have the advantage of bypassing resistance. It's different from negating stuffs (Depends if it's higher dimensional) since Rimuru has a skill that separates parts be it abstract, spirits, personality, skills, etc. within someone and Mesprit is still within the same dimensionality of Rimuru so he can negate the mindhax. He already separated curses, mind hax, and seals with Degenerate and Ciel is the one doing that not Rimuru

Also Ciel can just take over Rimuru's body and she can just do the any of the stuff and Ciel's an abstract entity as I already said

 

[Overlord775]

Mesprit just mind haxes Ciel too, as it can affect abtract entities

 

[Panicrain]

Just a question on the point of mespirit mind haxing, does it having soul manipulation really mean that all of its hax affect the soul because of it? Wouldn't we need an example or statement of it mind haxing a soul for that to be the case? For example if someone has paralysis, and soul manipulation do we automatically assume that they paralyze the soul when the use paralysis it just feels like a huge leap of logic to apply their soul manipulation to all of their other abilities without context.

 

[Overlord775]

in pokemon Emotions, Willpower and Knowlage are litterally what makes up the soul

 

[Panicrain]

Ah okay haven't read most of the manga, and wasn't really into the sinnoh games. Does verse equalization apply for the soul too? Since what makes up the soul in the slime verse is completely different. How does haxing someone whose soul is comprised of those things in your verse make you capable of haxing someone whose soul makeup is fundamentaly different?

 

[Lightstar619]

Just wait for the LN buffs since Rimuru can be tier 1 due to Nuclear Dimensions and more expansions on the verse

Wait Rimuru might get to tier 1? How? Explain please, I need this info smh