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Rimuru Tempest vs Meng Hao (again)

It depends on the info analysis after Ciel makes counter measures. That's how Rimuru fight and depending on Meng Hao's info resist potency, If Meng Hao resist info analysis on a Low 2-C scale then Rimuru will have no information on Meng Hao and will very unlikely use summons
 
Oblivion Of The Endless said:
Since when does Rimuru leads with summon?
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For his High 4-C, he used the Veldora sword in battles or ask him to help in another battle so it is valid that he would used it.
 
I want say that Rimuru does have 4-D resistances for abilities like Causality Manipulation but not really for Hax like Law Manipulation from what I know unless releasing from law of the worlds mean as such. I talked to DontTalkDT he said abilities that affect space (3-D)-time (1-D) would be 4-D. Most people don't think of it as such, tbh. So, it might not a major point. I believe his full Rimuru 4D resistance are in 2-B key.

It looks like Karma Thread would crossed over to me since it can works inother place besides it own universes. The verse in SBA is a neutral place where abilities from others verses work.

There are some hiccups like Infinity Gautlets only working in their own universe. SBA fixes that to make it work though it seems unfair now
 
Again this is problem with both cosmology, Karma doesnt exist in Slimeverse but Rimuru has face similar threats, Karma connected to all creation? And so Time and VoW everything is affected by time and VoW is a system that govern several parallel universe so if we equalize it Rimuru can hide himself from karma since he can cut His connection with everyone, like he did when Space-time continuum trying to swallowed everyone who connected to him
 
Oh yeah isnt VoW cannot reach Imaginary space? so i think to reach Imaginary space need Multiversal range
 
GLHF22 said:
Oh yeah isnt VoW cannot reach Imaginary space? so i think to reach Imaginary space need Multiversal range
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To reach Imaginary Space, proposed by CP, Low Multiversal range was needed.
 
GLHF22 said:
Again this is problem with both cosmology, Karma doesnt exist in Slimeverse but Rimuru has face similar threats, Karma connected to all creation? And so Time and VoW everything is affected by time and VoW is a system that govern several parallel universe so if we equalize it Rimuru can hide himself from karma since he can cut His connection with everyone, like he did when Space-time continuum trying to swallowed everyone who connected to him
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Well if the Qi that Meng Hao uses for his attacks as well as the Mana of Rimuru crosses over, I don't see why Karma won't. You can find places devoid of Qi in the verse, good luck finding places devoid of Karma tho.....

SBA anyway.

Well no "if we equalize" he can't hide himself from Karma or he'll be EE'd. A dude with no Karma is EE'd :

Severing someone's Karma with Karmic Severing would result in their complete and utter death. It didn't matter if the victim had numerous clones; any memories that existed of the victim in anyone's mind would be blotted out. By erasing the image of the person in everyone's mind, even if that person still lived on somewhere, they would be dead.
And you can't hide from Karma:

The killing intent disappeared and was replaced with calmness. He closed his eyes and muttered, "My domain was originally life and death and then karma. Things in the world can escape life and death, but they can't escape karma!"

It's everywhere (in other Universes, Multiverses, Outside these Multiverses, on an Outerversal level, etc)

That stuff can even stretch back in time, and affect Acausal beings. It can't be "hidden" from or evaded, only "resisted". Generally it's a Concept that can affect affect Outerversal beings with Acausality type 5 (Again I'm not saying Meng Hao can affect 1-A beings, I'm talking about the inherent "properties" of Karma, which inherently is not bothered by stuff like time and space), you thing it won't work here?. Rimuru "cutting" his connection (which I suppose would be cutting Soul Corridor maybe?) with whoever else isn't enough to cut the Karma between them.

As long as he just knows, or have that Projection/clone of his in his memory, there's Karma between them. And if Rimuru somehow does the impossible and manages to sever Karma between his clone and him, then :


-He'll completely forget about the clone, since all memories of it would disappear


-Meng Hao can use the Karma connecting him to Rimuru...if Rimuru knows about Meng Hao there's already Karma between them. And it didn't matter who you are, as long as you had Karma you could be sealed :

The more Karma you possessed, the more powerful the sealing. It didn't matter if you were a human, Immortal, or some other powerful being; as long as you had Karma, you could be sealed.
No Karma between them? No memories and knowledge of Meng Hao, of the fight, etc...

So yea..
 
Okay if the Karma is part of the cosmology then Rimuru will be able to use the same method to kill meng hao by analyze and copy, even if Rimuru cant control the karma itself he can use it to kill meng hao as how meng use it to kill him, i agree that Rimuru cant hide from karma but that doesnt mean meng can kill Rimuru without fully control it, Rimuru can Negate the ability with his nihility barrier and protect his karma.

okay i wanna ask, if karma itself is an Outerversal system then why his range is just billions of kilometers? you should upgrade it, also if he have another smurf ability you should upgrade his tier like how Rimuru have low2C tier with only 1 attack
 
He can't kill Meng Hao using Karma as Meng has Type 8 Immortality and EE resistance via Shui Dongliu, a High 1-B character. Characters already tried to do that to Meng, they failed miserably. So unless Rimuru has High 1-B hax. He'll also face retaliatio from said High 1-B character.


He can't negate the ability as Meng Hao has resistance to Powernull and has Powernull himself, and his Karma works against people with Powernull and Powernull resistance. Also Meng Hao can see Karma threads and can affect them just by touching them, and they're invisible to people with Extrasensory Perception and Enhanced Senses, who can see stuff liek Ghosts, Qi, etc.

Meng Hao can also seal Rimuru's skills with his 8th Hex, 6th and 7th Hex.


About the Karma stuff, we're sorry as that was an oversight, along with the Irrelevant range he should have via Karma. We.....forgot to add it, and the match was done, so I can't just come and be like "Oh I forgot to add Irrelevant Range tehee" and edit the profile......

If with your permission I can add it to make things less confusing, you can say so. I just don't wanna have misunderstandings happening here.
 
Found it :

Karmic Hexing had been bestowed upon him by Patriarch Blood Demon when he reached the fourth level of the Blood Demon Grand Magic. It was a hexing magic that belonged solely to the Demon Sealers, and was something that only Demon sealers could learn and utilize.
You can't copy the Hexes, only Demon Sealers can learn and use them.
 
Forgot to add in my comment that should someone attempt to EE Meng's rear, on top of it failing he'll face retaliation from said High 1-B character :

In the middle of making a brushstroke, the old man suddenly frowned and looked up into the sky. A profound glow suddenly appeared.
"People who exist in my memory cannot have their Karma severed by the Heavens of Ji," he said softly. He lifted his right hand into the air and then waved his paintbrush. A drop of ink flew out which then merged into the air.

Suddenly, the entire sky in the region turned completely black.

A miserable shriek could be heard echoing out from the void. The voice was none other than that of ancient Ji Nineteen.''
Here the guy, Ji Nineteen, was the one attempting the EE.


Sorry for Triple post XD.
 
So, character's with no karma exist. So why is it working on Rimuru? I can understand the EE, I guess, but that, not really.

Once I get that question, then I'll be gone.
 
In ISSTH at least, I don't think there's anyone who doesn't have karma. Unless they're long dead or something.
 
Nepuko said:
Found it :
Karmic Hexing had been bestowed upon him by Patriarch Blood Demon when he reached the fourth level of the Blood Demon Grand Magic. It was a hexing magic that belonged solely to the Demon Sealers, and was something that only Demon sealers could learn and utilize.
You can't copy the Hexes, only Demon Sealers can learn and use them.
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thats so iffy, have better scan?
 
Not quite type 8, but his Karma can't be severed, and he can't be EE'd, since he has connections to an High 1B dude who doesn't like people messing with his karma.
 
I mean, you can sever Meng's karma, it's just that when you get to that specific connection, the guy is gonna slap you a bit, and drag you out of whatever dimension you're hiding in so that Meng can fight you face to face.

This does get complicated, I get why some of you don't wanna touch it
 
InfiniteSped said:
the guy is gonna slap you a bit, and drag you out of whatever dimension you're hiding in so that Meng can fight you face to face.
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That sounds like the form of Outside Help which not allowed in Standard Battle Assumptions.

  • Outside Influence: None. No characters of either verse, aside from those participating in the battle, may influence the outcome of the battle in any way. That means they may not join the fight, grant buffs, create shields, provide information etc. Exceptions are things like blessings, calling upon some higher entities power for a spell, summoning familiars to battle for them, having another character as equipment or more generally spoken the things which are listed on the profile as part of a characters own powers and abilities.
 
This doesn't seem like typical outside help to me.It seems incidental and is tied Meng Hao's abilities with how Karma seems to work.Maybe in a verse match up instead of having the 1-b dude involved in the battle if someone attempts to erase Meng Hao or his karma how about we have Meng Hao's EE resistance on a 1-B level (from having a karma connection to a 1-B).This would be fair for both characters in the match up and not be considered outside help.
 
That sounds like the form of Outside Help which not allowed in Standard Battle Assumptions.

  • Outside Influence: None. No characters of either verse, aside from those participating in the battle, may influence the outcome of the battle in any way. That means they may not join the fight, grant buffs, create shields, provide information etc. Exceptions are things like blessings, calling upon some higher entities power for a spell, summoning familiars to battle for them, having another character as equipment or more generally spoken the things which are listed on the profile as part of a characters own powers and abilities.
This is inherently tied to Meng's EE resistance, and something that has happened in the verse. So I think that counts (just like Type 9 Immortality does). That falls under the exceptions listed.


@Milly ...I don't see how you came to that answer. I gave the quote showing it's Impossible for characters without Karma to exist, and you say the opposite XD

Sorry on phone.
 
He's also reliant on the Eternal Larva , who can't die if Meng doesn't, and Meng can't die if the Larva (or was it silk? ) doesn't die. Also to Kill Meng you gotta do it in body and soul simultaneously.
 
I don't understand, that sounds like a NLF. Karma doesn't exist in any other verses, so how is that possible? If we take quotes like that at face value, nothing that isn't an Ultimate Skill can harm Rimuru.
 
Which effectively applies in the battle because of SBA rules. Because of the rules Kzrma crosses and Rimuru has Karma. Everything applies.
 
Again, Elizhaa already said it, it applies. Karma is even more prevalent than frigging Qi in the verse. And it's not specific to a Universe there, it's everwhere. Heck even Thanos gauntlet work because sba let alone Karma
 
No problem man, sorry if I somehow managed to sounded rude, writing on phone so trying to gain tiiimeji.
 
@Elizhaa, the problem is that Karma makes it so that trying to erase Meng means trying to erase his Karmic connections with everyone who knows him, which is kind of an indirect attack on all of them as well, and won't quite work if they can resist it.

It goes both ways, if Meng tries it on Rimuru, and the slime has a connection with some super powerful being who could fight back, he could be hit with a backlash. That's a weakness of Karmic Severing.
 
For those who wonder, I asked @Milly Rocking Bandit's opinion about this to be sure, and it looks like he thinks it's a stomp for Meng. (not sure tho gotta ask him again to check Edit : checked)

In case y'all were curious about that (and to avoid bothering him again when it's time to vote I guess)
 
@InfiniteSped, I guess so. Just a question does Karmic thread negated Mid-Godly Regenerationn?
 
I mean, probably? Even if you do manage to regenerate, you'd prob just die again, since your Karma is still severed and you have nothing of it left. Unless the regen can somehow recreate the Karma threads, I guess.
 
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