Rimuru Tempest (Light Novel) vs Gilgamesh (Fate Series)

[TypeOU]

I just checked the absorption page and soul absorption does seem to be a subcategory of soul manip, it even links to it

 

[Loyd]

Someone correct me but I don't recall servants resisting absorption, iirc the act of swallowing up a servant would work, but depending on the effect imposed while swallowed the servant could survive.

 

[Bernkastelll]

I just checked the absorption page and soul absorption does seem to be a subcategory of soul manip, it even links to it

Yes, obviously, soul manipulation is everything related to soul, but the point is, soul manipulation is too vague, it can be everything, just because u resist soul attack, doesnt means that u resist having ur soul absorbed, in the same way that u dont resist body absorption just because u tank physical attacks

 

[TypeOU]

Someone correct me but I don't recall servants resisting absorption, iirc the act of swallowing up a servant would work, but depending on the effect imposed while swallowed the servant could survive.

Physiology protect from energy absorption, and like I said they should resist soul absorption too. He doesn't resist biological absorption tho (unless it falls inder another resistance?)

SNI should allow him to know that getting absorbed is bad, so he will keep his distance and danmaku with anti regen, his defensive armaments should help too

 

[Loyd]

Yes, obviously, soul manipulation is everything related to soul, but the point is, soul manipulation is too vague, it can be everything, just because u resist soul attack, doesnt means that u resist having ur soul absorbed, in the same way that u dont resist body absorption just because u tank physical attacks

Dont soul and body operate differently and depending on how the ability works he could be alive

 

[Bernkastelll]

and like I said they should resist soul absorption too.

Proof? I didnt saw none yet

SNI should allow him to know that getting absorbed is bad, so he will keep his distance and danmaku with anti regen, his defensive armaments should help too

What is SNI? and Gluttony has a good range

Dont soul and body operate differently and depending on how the ability works he could be alive

Does Gilgamesh have feats of surviving after having his soul absorbed after all? if not, its pointless to argue that he could

 

[TypeOU]

Yes, obviously, soul manipulation is everything related to soul, but the point is, soul manipulation is too vague, it can be everything, just because u resist soul attack, doesnt means that u resist having ur soul absorbed, in the same way that u dont resist body absorption just because u tank physical attacks

The thing is servants soul absorption isn't just tanking attacks to the souls, it straight up protect their souls from anything that could harm them, also, servant don't just absorb each other soul midfight even though they have soul absorption so that's that

 

[Bernkastelll]

The thing is servants soul absorption isn't just tanking attacks to the souls, it straight up protect their souls from anything that could harm them, also, servant don't just absorb

Does it have feats of resisting soul absorption? Because soul absorption is not just ''harming the soul'', if they have feats of resisting soul absorption, then sure

 

[Loyd]

Limited SNI is he knows about the opponents abilities

 

[TypeOU]

What is SNI? and Gluttony has a good range

Gilgamesh precog, gives lots of informations about opp.

Does Gilgamesh have feats of surviving after having his soul absorbed after all? if not, its pointless to argue that he could

You know what? He does. He resisted sakura absorption for awhile (aside from what I mentionned above)

 

[Bernkastelll]

Limited SNI is he knows about the opponents abilities

Oh, is it like always working since the start? because Rimuru information analysis is always working and always is sending informations to him due Great Sage always analysing things

 

[Bernkastelll]

You know what? He does. He resisted sakura absorption for awhile (aside from what I mentionned above)

I dunno about Sakura, does she has Soul Absorption? can u quote it from her profile?

 

[Loyd]

sakura absorption for awhile (aside from what I mentionned above)

Was it soul absorption

Oh, is it like always working since the start? because Rimuru information analysis is always working and always is sending informations to him due Great Sage always analysing things

Yes restricted sni is passive

 

[TypeOU]

Oh, is it like always working since the start? because Rimuru information analysis is always working and always is sending informations to him due Great Sage always analysing things

Would need someone else to explain how efficient rimuru information is, and yes

 

[TypeOU]

I dunno about Sakura, does she has Soul Absorption? can u quote it from her profile?

bsorption (can absorb other's magical energy by shooting them with Matou magecraft, can take in and absorb others with the Black Shadow, which also breaks organic matter down into magical energy with a touch) can absorb others into a completely separate dimension of darkness,

, Soul Manipulation (A Lesser Grail created to absorb and collect souls, which she burns for magical energy),

Seems so

 

[TypeOU]

A rank supernatural/magic resist hes not being touched, rimuru needs higher ap to dmg him or random really high layered magic.

Everything rimuru has can be resisted by that tho right?

 

[Loyd]

Everything rimuru has can be resisted by that tho right?

from what ive gathered on this site, unfortunately yes all of rimuru abilies get negged by A rank magic resist,
i can't speak on absorption tho cause iirc gil gets absorbed by the grail but i cant remember if he had his armor on or not
and i stopped playing fgo after shinjuku, someone more well informed could answer this.

 

[Bernkastelll]

TenSura calcs doesnt even exist as far I am searching

from what ive gathered on this site, unfortunately yes all of rimuru abilies get negged by A rank magic resist,
i can't speak on absorption tho cause iirc gil gets absorbed by the grail but i cant remember if he had his armor on or not
and i stopped playing fgo after shinjuku, someone more well informed could answer this.

Wait, did he resisted or nah? because the other dude/girl said that he does, anyways, if he resist, idk then, as I dont know almost nothing about gilgamesh and I dont really want to debate, if he resist it, then just consider a stomp due gilgamesh eventually using Ea and rimuru having no wincon, but idk

 

[TypeOU]

from what ive gathered on this site, unfortunately yes all of rimuru abilies get negged by A rank magic resist,
i can't speak on absorption tho cause iirc gil gets absorbed by the grail but i cant remember if he had his armor on or not
and i stopped playing fgo after shinjuku, someone more well informed could answer this.

In that case this is a stomp yes. And sakura absorption just scales above their resistances (pretty close to gilgamesh's tho I guess), it was supposed to be the ultimate anti servant move for a reason

 

[TypeOU]

TenSura calcs doesnt even exist as far I am searching

Wait, did he resisted or nah? because the other dude/girl said that he does, anyways, if he resist, idk then, as I dont know almost nothing about gilgamesh and I dont really want to debate, if he resist it, then just consider a stomp due gilgamesh eventually using Ea and rimuru having no wincon, but idk

He resisted it for a while and straight up ignored the corruption iirc, well sakura body was basically an anti servant weapon so that's still kinda impressive and should prove thet he has a resistance outside of his mr if needed
Edit: mr, not RM

 

[Loyd]

If Rimuru doesnt have the raw ap necessary to damage gil with golden armor donned then this looks like a stomp.

 

[TypeOU]

Yep, magic resistance is pretty outrageous altho it's not like it can rival authorities or something

 

[Regidian]

Servant doesn't outright resist soul absorbtion. But their soul are what making them hard to be absorbed (like what happen to dark sakura or what happen to darnic when he trying to absorb the soul of lancer of black)


The part of soul of gilgamesh as a servant in fsn is equal hundred of thousand soul.

 

[Bernkastelll]

Actually, does Gilgamesh resist atomization? I cant find it in his profile

 

[DaReaperMan]

Actually, does Gilgamesh resist atomization? I cant find it in his profile

Probably. Servant Magic Resist is stupid in just how many god damn powers it covers.

 

[Bernkastelll]

Probably. Servant Magic Resist is stupid in just how many god damn powers it covers.

I dont know if it counts, voice canon is just a shout that atomizes the target, does gilgamesh resist?

 

[DaReaperMan]

I dont know if it counts, voice canon is just a shout that atomizes the target, does gilgamesh resist?

If it isn't under magic then probably not.

 

[TypeOU]

I dont know if it counts, voice canon is just a shout that atomizes the target, does gilgamesh resist?

Probably miss because of his projectile protection amulet

 

[Bernkastelll]

Probably miss because of his projectile protection amulet

what does the amulet?

 

[TypeOU]

what does the amulet?

It works on the same basis as the skill protection from arrows that cu has, so whether it's energy, weapons or sound, any long range attack will "miss", although it's pointless against AOE attacks, he has to equip ot ahead of time but he would because of sha naqba

 

[Metalballrun]

Meh, the context was just physical absorption there, which is weird, because in Rimuru profile, it is stated that Gluttony has Soul Absorption, but I just cant find the scan after all, @Metalballrun do u have it?

The context is Rimuru absorbing Charybdis's soul/magical core to prevent it from resurrecting again the next time. Charybdis is a spiritual lifeform.
Gluttony is also just the improved version of Predator, which absorbed Ifrit (spirit), and absorbed Orc Disaster Geld along with his soul (Geld chose to pass on instead of being contained in a subspace with Veldora).

 

[Bernkastelll]

The context is Rimuru absorbing Charybdis's soul/magical core to prevent it from resurrecting again the next time. Charybdis is a spiritual lifeform.
Gluttony is also just the improved version of Predator, which absorbed Ifrit (spirit), and absorbed Orc Disaster Geld along with his soul (Geld chose to pass on instead of being contained in a subspace with Veldora).

Oh, yeah, thanks, I forgot it lol

 

[Bernkastelll]

The context is Rimuru absorbing Charybdis's soul/magical core to prevent it from resurrecting again the next time. Charybdis is a spiritual lifeform.
Gluttony is also just the improved version of Predator, which absorbed Ifrit (spirit), and absorbed Orc Disaster Geld along with his soul (Geld chose to pass on instead of being contained in a subspace with Veldora).

do u have discord?

 

[TypeOU]

So does rimuru have a legitimate wincon or what?

 

[Metalballrun]

do u have discord?

Full Metal FAQ#1416

So does rimuru have a legitimate wincon or what?

No idea, I'm just providing information about Rimuru that I know of lol since I have zero knowledge and understanding of Fate
When I look at Gil's profile, all I can see is that Gil's first key doesn't really resist most of Rimuru's hax, although he has abilities that Rimuru doesn't resist mainly due to Noble Phantasms I think.
Rimuru doesn't have the AP advantage but has a lot of attacks that ignore conventional durability. But it seems like Gil has a 6-B attack so no idea how that plays out.

 

[TypeOU]

Full Metal FAQ#1416

No idea, I'm just providing information about Rimuru that I know of lol since I have zero knowledge and understanding of Fate
When I look at Gil's profile, all I can see is that Gil's first key doesn't really resist most of Rimuru's hax, although he has abilities that Rimuru doesn't resist mainly due to Noble Phantasms I think.
Rimuru doesn't have the AP advantage but has a lot of attacks that ignore conventional durability. But it seems like Gil has a 6-B attack so no idea how that plays out.

The issue is that magic resisfance protect him from almost everything (anything magic related) then he is protected from projectiles with his amulet and I'm pretty sure he resist every kind of absorption (energy because of servant physiology, soul because of heaven's feel and I'm not sure, but servants shouldn't be valid target for biological absorption to begin with). Rimuru can technically win with swordsmanship but it's very, very unlikely because of sha naqba telling gil about rimuru abilities

 

[Bernkastelll]

. Rimuru can technically win with swordsmanship but it's very

Rimuru swordsmanship is not that good, at least in that key, he still was training

 

[TypeOU]

Rimuru swordsmanship is not that good, at least in that key, he still was training

Yeah but gil is supposedly weak to sword attacks while he use gob, because he let his guard down or something. Against someone like kojiro, he would have to protect his head with his armor, so someone like rimuru technically CAN win

 

[Bernkastelll]

Yeah but gil is supposedly weak to sword attacks while he use gob, because he let his guard down or something. Against someone like kojiro, he would have to protect his head with his armor, so someone like rimuru technically CAN win

Hmmm... actually, how high is gilgamesh heat resistance? Rimuru can create domes that bypass several hundred millions degrees of temperature, and i dont think that rimuru can win in swords skill if I dont even know how far into 6-C rimuru is

 

[TypeOU]

Heat Manipulation: Servants can take heat from lava and cold from a gas giant that freezes sound with minimal discomfort

So that's a wincon for rimuru, altho it's very unlikely that he could pull it off since it presumably needs time to use