Revising the Teen Titans - Raven Durability / AP Change

[RavenSupreme]

i decided to re-watch the 2003 teen titans animated series. it resulted in noticing a few feats and changes.

starting with a change for the character i share my name with

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Raven_(Teen_Titans)

Attack Potency: Multi-City Block Level (contributed to holding up Titans Tower along with Terra when it was collapsing during a fight with Slade) | Planet level as White Raven, possibly higher (Defeated animated Trigon, who is called a Universal Threat)

"Durability: Superhuman+, Multi-City Block Level with Force Field/Telekinetic Barriers."

which needs to be changed.

here trigon attacks the titans

http://imgur.com/opdgBL

and his attack is planetary

http://imgur.com/D0MvNTO

http://imgur.com/oyfrHDM

but raven set up a barrier

http://imgur.com/oyfrHDM

preventing the titans from being affected. see also the video at minute 4 for the explanation which proves it furthermore

http://***********.me/Cartoon/Teen-Titans/51?id=553

before vanishing she also gifted a fraction of her powers to the titans

http://i.imgur.com/B4kjaUj.png

http://imgur.com/U3SlChy

which made it possible for them to partially damage trigon before he regained his powers

http://imgur.com/bwNEgzV

all this was performed from raven before she ascended to white raven and is referred to as a "farewell blessing" (see also minute 6.15 in the video)

pre-white raven with a fraction of her powers was able to withstand and damage a planet level (universal threat) character which she later dominated in white raven form

conclusion:

durability: change from multi city block level barriers to at least planet level, likely Large Planet level barriers in white raven form

AP: change from "Planet Level" to "at least Planet Level, likely Large Planet Level" in white raven form

 

[DontTalk]

For one thing burning the planets surface isn't planet level actually.

About Base raven planetary durability:

She actually had some special power going in the scene, didn't she? Does that possibly effect her powers? Either way have have seen the series quite a bit in the past (not much of the last seasons), but as far as I can tell planetary would seem to be quite an outlier. I just looked a bit into the last season and it didn't seem like raven got massively more powerful either, so I am doubtful about planetary shields.


Lastly stat increases are usually not given for being unquantied stronger then before, or unquantified stronger then the enemy, so I don't think Large planet level is justified. It should just be likely/possibly higher

 

[RavenSupreme]

she did not had any special powers at that time.

i do know about the contradicitions within the storyline regarding her base level shields which have been broken on several occasions. this is why i do not ask for an upgrade in her base form but in her white raven form, since the 2 occasions where raven actually fought while being in that mode she blocked and overpowered trigons attacks effortlessly.

i also dont want her to jump the entire tier from 5-b to 5-a, but just to add "likely" in front of it.

if we include the 2003 TV-comic which aired next to the series we should even implement somewhere her magic is actually able to affect the dc-multiverse

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-H0PTUPQ8pAU/Us1-NNvp5HI/AAAAAAAAAkQ/G4e6wXJNPWY/s1600/9.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-7n3t5IniPfo/Us193SAYyiI/AAAAAAAAAi4/y-gx3EoBkCo/s1600/19.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-LO1jhcZLvKs/Us194SMuQgI/AAAAAAAAAjA/-9vxhK7SFSg/s1600/2.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-JXAR_S_Faz0/Us1-AerAx4I/AAAAAAAAAjg/0rkdpTnbKvs/s1600/3.jpg

 

[Antvasima]

Well, creating portals to other universes does not remotely mean a multiversal scale of power.

 

[RavenSupreme]

i mean it should be included to her profile, aside from the change of dura / ap

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Listing portal creation as a power seems reasonable.

 

[RavenSupreme]

you have any thoughts on changes suggested aside from that?

its basically ap: planet level as white raven to

at least planet level, likely large planet level(or: likely far higher) as white raven

dura: multi city block level with barriers to

at least planet level, likely large planet level (or: likely far higher) as white raven

 

[Antvasima]

I think that seems reasonable, but I am tired, so my judgement may be off.

 

[RavenSupreme]

i link another scene where she blocks another of triguns blasts (while being in white raven form)

http://i.imgur.com/G81Mh77.jpg

http://imgur.com/1ETdecT

http://imgur.com/mXzsKgt

 

[DontTalk]

Well, if it is just for white raven it would seem reasonable.

However where does planet level come from? As said burning the whole surface of a planet in one attack is actually not planet level. Did he destroy a planet on some occassion?

 

[RavenSupreme]

yeha. we never saw white raven again then in the series an regular raven went back to MCB level

trigon was stated for being able to destroy the entire dimension they reside in. i can find the part where it was if demanded. was during season 4 somewhere. but its actually widely accepted over the forums.

 

[DontTalk]

What do you mean with the entire dimension?

The universe or some pocket realm?

 

[RavenSupreme]

the universe ravens homeworld lies in is in a different dimension

he was implied to be a universal thread but he was never shown to bust the universe. only the destruction of ravens homeworld in another realm has canonically happened

he most probably has some pocket realm ability as well but this was never confirmed. the only high level reality warper with pocket dimension we got confirmation about is larry

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Larry

 

[DontTalk]

So ravens homeworld? And in that case he did destroy the planet and not just the civilization on it?

 

[RavenSupreme]

the entire world. the only thing remaining is an illusion of the capital city, protected by a seal.

raven got send to earth to destroy it as her destiny dictated, which has happened to her homeworld already

1.15 and 18.15 .

http://***********.me/Cartoon/Teen-Titans/46?id=547

edit: ofc. it wasnt raven who destroyed her homeworld but trigon

 

[DontTalk]

Well, if trigon destroyed the whole planet and not just the surface, then changing the durability of white raven to "Planet level barriers, possibly higher" is fine by me.

So you can go ahead and change it I guess.

 

[RavenSupreme]

i will change her AP to "possibly higher" as well then, seeing as she dominated trigon

edit: nvmd. its already there

but i removed: "can also turn intangible" from the dura part since its not a dura feat and already covered in her powers and abilities category

 

[RavenSupreme]

done. this can be closed. for anything else ill start a different topic