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Note- This is not an argument for Kaguya to scale to ETSB but to change the reason behind her not scaling. Do not derail.
Can we remove this note as it is outdated and inconsistent?
“The attempts to make Kaguya scale to her Expansive Truth-Seeking Ball (ETSB) were rejected many times before. The primary reason is that this attack required an amount of chakra far greater than her own chakra, and scaling her ordinary stats to it is inconsistent with her performance against Naruto and Sasuke, who each possess only half of Hagoromo's chakra.”
Reason for Removal: follow the argument below.
Based on the note, Kaguya does not scale to her ETSB for the following reasons:
1. Chakra inconsistency : The ETSB required a significantly higher amount of chakra than Kaguya possessed naturally.
2. Performance Inconsistency: Scaling her ordinary stats to match the ETSB is inconsistent with her performance against Naruto and Sasuke, who each have only half of Hagoromo’s chakra.
Counter argument
1. The chakra Kaguya received from the Infinite Tsukuyomi exponentially increased her stats, as confirmed by vs Battle Wiki check the speed category for Kaguya. “Mother just gained more power; her individual stats both her might and speed are exponentially greater now.”
2. Kaguya with Shinobi chakra is substantially more powerful than Naruto and Sasuke. They required the help of Kakashi, who was enhanced with obito’s chakra and Kamui Hax. The need for Kakashi's assistance, primarily due to his abilities, indicates that Naruto and Sasuke could not match Kaguya in direct combat.
This is a better note
Revised Note: Read below
Kaguya does not scale to her ETSO for the reasons below:
For special attacks or techniques powered by an energy system (such as chakra) to scale with a character's physical strength or durability, the energy system must meet Universal Energy System (UES) standards. However, Chakra does not meet these standards, so Ninjutsu does not automatically scale with physical stats.
To scale Ninjutsu to physical stats, there must be direct feats or statements indicating a connection. For example, if Naruto withstands Kakashi's Raikiri (a powerful Ninjutsu) and Kakashi can then harm Naruto with a physical punch, this would suggest that Kakashi's physical strength scales with his Raikiri at the very least.
In the case of Kaguya and her ETSB, no feats or statements indicate that her physical strength or durability scales to the ETSB. Therefore, there is no basis to assume that Kaguya's physical abilities are on the same level as her ETSB. Courtesy “Uchihaslayer96”
Agree- ghostimuscrime,
Disagree -
Neutral -
Can we remove this note as it is outdated and inconsistent?
“The attempts to make Kaguya scale to her Expansive Truth-Seeking Ball (ETSB) were rejected many times before. The primary reason is that this attack required an amount of chakra far greater than her own chakra, and scaling her ordinary stats to it is inconsistent with her performance against Naruto and Sasuke, who each possess only half of Hagoromo's chakra.”
Reason for Removal: follow the argument below.
Based on the note, Kaguya does not scale to her ETSB for the following reasons:
1. Chakra inconsistency : The ETSB required a significantly higher amount of chakra than Kaguya possessed naturally.
2. Performance Inconsistency: Scaling her ordinary stats to match the ETSB is inconsistent with her performance against Naruto and Sasuke, who each have only half of Hagoromo’s chakra.
Counter argument
1. The chakra Kaguya received from the Infinite Tsukuyomi exponentially increased her stats, as confirmed by vs Battle Wiki check the speed category for Kaguya. “Mother just gained more power; her individual stats both her might and speed are exponentially greater now.”
2. Kaguya with Shinobi chakra is substantially more powerful than Naruto and Sasuke. They required the help of Kakashi, who was enhanced with obito’s chakra and Kamui Hax. The need for Kakashi's assistance, primarily due to his abilities, indicates that Naruto and Sasuke could not match Kaguya in direct combat.
This is a better note
Revised Note: Read below
Kaguya does not scale to her ETSO for the reasons below:
For special attacks or techniques powered by an energy system (such as chakra) to scale with a character's physical strength or durability, the energy system must meet Universal Energy System (UES) standards. However, Chakra does not meet these standards, so Ninjutsu does not automatically scale with physical stats.
To scale Ninjutsu to physical stats, there must be direct feats or statements indicating a connection. For example, if Naruto withstands Kakashi's Raikiri (a powerful Ninjutsu) and Kakashi can then harm Naruto with a physical punch, this would suggest that Kakashi's physical strength scales with his Raikiri at the very least.
In the case of Kaguya and her ETSB, no feats or statements indicate that her physical strength or durability scales to the ETSB. Therefore, there is no basis to assume that Kaguya's physical abilities are on the same level as her ETSB. Courtesy “Uchihaslayer96”
Agree- ghostimuscrime,
Disagree -
Neutral -
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not to be mean, but if you don't agree you can just say so and give reasons. I don't want this to turn to constant spam.
