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Revising Saitamas AP

Shaving the earth is only one translation of the statement, erasing is the other. The second translation lines up with this interpretation.
 
you speak off the databook right? so the databook states "erasing" alongside "shaving"

meanwhile the actual canon sources (manga/webcomic) only speaks off destroying the surface, which fits the "shaving

why are we putting a databook with contradicting statement above 2 main canon source which back up one of the databooks statements?
 
I personally think it is strange that a galactic overlord feared throughout the galaxy would only be a multi-continent buster, planet busting seems more appropriate
 
which would be "probably planet level" at maximum

also: where can i find a trustworthy translation for the databook?
 
LordAizenSama said:
I personally think it is strange that a galactic overlord feared throughout the galaxy would only be a multi-continent buster, planet busting seems more appropriate
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You can't place their stats according to their title , for example this guy is just Multi Continent level while being the literal concept of Death ,is billions of years old ,can rival God in power ,constantly speaking of the milky way and the earth to be non important to him.

I agree with RavenSupreme that Planet level is too much.
 
RavenSupreme said:
you speak off the databook right? so the databook states "erasing" alongside "shaving"
meanwhile the actual canon sources (manga/webcomic) only speaks off destroying the surface, which fits the "shaving

why are we putting a databook with contradicting statement above 2 main canon source which back up one of the databooks statements?
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No. Listen again.

There are two quotes.

One can be translated as "Erase OR Shave the Earth:

The other can be translated as "This attack can destroy the earth"

You are merely confirming to one interpretation of one of the quotes to prove your point.
 
Also, the webcomic cannot be used for feats in any way whatsoever so treating it as the ultimate canon is highly facetious, especially now that Murata's work has diverged so much.

Anyways, the databook is sanctioned by ONE anyways so it is pretty much as canon as the webcomic will ever be.
 
it's not just because of his title, I wouldn't bring it up if that was the only thing Boros had going for him, however there's the proof from the anime which ONE was stated to be involved in extensively (heck, more than Toriyama is with Dragon Ball super, and we consider that canon) and the Databook also seems to confirm what the anime has going for him.

So I don't have a problem with Boros being a Planet buster at all.
 
there are two quotes - yes. but WHERE?

from what i got the two quotes you speak off come from the DATABOOK (which i have yet to see a trsutworthy translation for so i can neither deny nor confirm if its true)

but in the manga and the webcomic the quotes are clear

http://b.*************/store/manga/11912/035.2/compressed/sonepunch-man-5058939.jpg?v=1405473789

http://z.mfcdn.net/store/manga/12688/040.0/compressed/l007.jpg

so we have the 2 main canon sources (i never stated i treat the webcomic as the ultimate canon even once) which have no planet leveling statement

we also have no feat to indicate a planet leveling tier

we only have a databook of which no official translation exists which apparently states both versions.

meaning even if we would go by only statements (which i do not know why we do that) there are more statements in more important canon sources actually contradicting planet leveling than supporting it
 
So essentially your arguments are:

1. No translations by a scanlation group means it is unusable

2. The webcomic is as canon than the manga/databook/anime

3. No feat is close

Here are my responses:

1. That's a wonky argument. There is no such thing as an "official" translation, merely a good one. The translation of the TWO quotes we have thus far suggest planet level so unless you have an alternate you don't have an argument here.

2. The webcomic should not be treated as more canon because the webcomic is a template for the manga. What you are essentially attempting to do is say that a rough draft is more canon that a final product. If I were to compare it to other series, I would say that you are attempting to justify feats from the WN of overlord to prove stuff in the LN or use feats from Fate/Prototype to scale to Fate/Stay Night. This is not accurate at all. I agree that the ANIME would not be necessarily canon but ONE supervised both the anime and the databook. This isn't up for argument. It's canon and the webcomic is on a lower tier.

3. We have the multi-continent feat. The fact that it is MC is why it says "likely" planet level. If it was even small planet level, I probably would be pushing for planet level classification fully.
 
my arguments are

1. we only have a japanese databook of which somehow people get both a) no planet leveling and b) planet leveling

however where do you get these translations? for the manga we have many sites who provide us with english translations. for the databook i have yet to see a source

but even with a source the databook still has both statements in it

arguing the original webcomic which is created by one himself is a lower tier than the anime is too much off a stretch for me to responde to

2. you must not have gotten my point - i always speak of 2 main canon sources - 2. as in the manga and the webcomic. and both of the main canon sources ( i repeat: manga and webcomic) never state anything regarding a planet level feat

nothing. both of them.

3. the jump from multi continental which is a 6a tier to "at least" planet level which is a solid 5b is way above anything we can justify. what has happened to moon level? what has happened to small planet level?

to summarizy:

no planet level feat has happened in either manga or webcomic.

no small planet level feat has happened in the manga or webcomic.

no moon level feat has happened in the manga and webcomic.

and if you will: in the anime as well.

we have the 2 main sources (manga and webcomic) where no planet level statement appears.

we have a databook without any translation (if there is one, link it pls.) where apparently we have translations for both. planet level and not planet level

conclusion: there is absolutely no reason for the tier of saitama or boros to be remotely in the planet level region, skipping moon and small planet level at that, and justifying it because off a mere databook statement when the main canon sources (and the databook partially too) contradict it

multi-continent level is where they should stay
 
1) The source of the translations of the databook is the Reddit thread. Look at it again.

Once more, one of the quotes does not support your argument

Let me repeat, because you have been ignoring this

One of the quotes does not support your argument

Only one of the interpretations of one of the quotes from the databook even vaguely supports what you are saying. Vaguely.

2) The webcomic is not the same as the manga anymore. There are many divergences. The scaling is done from the manga. This is the ultimate source of canon. There is nothing you can say that changes this.

The databook is a source of canon. You can not like it but it is ONE sanctioned so it is canon. Rejecting this is not even an argument, it's a complaint with no basis.

3) The jump from 6-A in feats to 5-B is why "likely" is even used. There have been worse jumps conducted via power scaling. Multiple, author sanctioned, undeniably canon statements mean it is hardly worse than those cases.

The translation, once more, is from the Reddit thread. I have thus already provided a translation. The burden of proof now falls on YOU to prove it is wrong or that an alternate translation exists. So where is your alternate, divergent translation?

Conclusion: Get a statement/argument from a scanlator against the current translation or you don't have an argument. Show me how an outdated, badly drawn and divergent webcomic is canon to the main series when a new, author sanctioned databook is not. Acknowledge that the quotes you are using are cherrypicked and mere interpretations.
 
The webcomic has always been the primary source for OPM, the manga is an adaptation by Murata. The manga is not canon over the webcomic
 
Alakabamm said:
It is because the two aren't the same in many respects.
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Our current profile for OPM is a composite one, the webcomic is always the primary canon for being primary source. Saitama is multi continent level because his profile is composite, not because the manga is canon over webcomic. You have missed this discussion which took place back in November (before you joined the wiki).
 
i am sorry but you seem to get a little carried away.

while you ascribe me to ignoring things and cherrypicking it is in fact the other way round: i acknowledged it may be possible the databook actually has 2 statements regarding the planet leveling (why dont you link the reddit here? you seem to have it)

however it also has 1 statement which - according to you - does not support the planet leveling

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you however have yet to respond to the fact that neither the manga nor the webcomic in the story have a planet leveling statement

and i am sorry but the webcomic is still going on. stating it is outdated despite we know the author is 100 % responsible for its depiction whereas we dont know how much and to what degree he was part of the anime is not the way we argue

you can not show me any instance in the actual story for the main canon sources (which are manga and webcomic) regarding boros stating he is leveling the planet.

you solely base your argument over the databook which contradicts itself (having 2 different translations apparently) and trying to deny the webcomic being canon ( funnily enough you say the manga is the new main canon but there also is - like i said - no planet leveling statemen)

when you want to justify an upgrade the burden of proof is on you., not the other way around

and as things look there is no proof aside from a databook translation (where????) with 2 different and contradicting results
 
@Faisal, Link?

But anyways, even if it is composite, what matters is canon material and the databook/anime are canon by ONE's admission. There's also the fact that the databook is newer.
 
one and murata wrote the webcomic and manga without any planet leveling statement. then apparently the databook was published and there are contradicting statements in it

however i have yet to even see the translation of it.

but even if it were correctly translated it is still not having a greater impact than the actual story
 
Celestial Pegasus said:
Found it on reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePunchMa...omeone_translate_this_databook_page_for_lord/
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@Raven, it was already linked here.

Also, how am I getting carried away when you are the one who started the walls of text? I'm just responding to that.

It does not have one statement saying the planet leveling. It has one interpretation of one statement that might make it a mere planet surface wiper, but that's contestable even of itself. The statement that comes after removes all doubt.

The comic itself isn't outdated, the scene from the comic is outdated. I have responded to your arguments regarding what was said in the comic and manga; the first was outdated and the second was vague anyways.

You say "main canon" a lot. The databook is canon. You really can't argue that.

The burden of proof is on YOU because I already provided a quote. Read it. I have met my burden of proof now meet yours.
 
I asked if ONE didn't write the databook, and you asked for a link. But now I don't know if you were talking to me. o_O
 
sadly this changes nothing alakbamm

"Collapsing Star Roaring Cannon: Erase the Earth. The roar of despair !!! It is an attack able to destroy Earth.("Erase the Earth" could be translated as "shave the Earth", which means destroying a planet's surface, so both anime and manga's translation basically is two side of a coin, I think. But due to the text on the right, it is a planet buster)."

the databook translation states it could be both: destroying earth or destroying the surface

how does this mess gets cleared up in the manga or the webcomic?

http://b.*************/store/manga/11912/035.2/compressed/sonepunch-man-5058939.jpg?v=1405473789

http://z.mfcdn.net/store/manga/12688/040.0/compressed/l007.jpg

thats right. only destroying the surface

second option of the translation gets supported by the 2 main canon sources

there is little to argue over things when they are as clear as that


edit: also: whats that supposed "text on the right" meaning?
 
Alakabamm said:
Link?
But anyways, even if it is composite, what matters is canon material and the databook/anime are canon by ONE's admission. There's also the fact that the databook is newer.
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Azathoth did the upgrades, you can ask him about it.

As for canonicity tier, the webcomic > manga > anime. Because ONE has approved the manga and anime, we're accepting composite profile (which is a rare case)
 
RavenSupreme said:
edit: also: whats that supposed "text on the right" meaning?
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As I said before, it's the second quote that was translated. The second quote is "It is an attack able to destroy Earth."

Which is why what I said earlier is true. That your argument relies on the interpretation of merely one of the quotes. The databook says it can destroy a planet.
 
so thats basically confirming what i am arguing the entire time. the databook has 2 translations. one (not 2 like you stated all the time) which indicates a planet busting

and one which indicates destroying the surface

the 2 main canon sources then on panel only state destroying the surface

which is 3 statements for surface and only one for actual planet busting

seems clear to me
 
No.

The first quote in the databook can be interpreted as "erase the planet" (which is a planet busting statement)

or

"shave the planet" (which MAY be surface busting statement)

The second statement is planet busting no matter how you slice it.

So you don't have the support of a quote, you are relying on an interpretation of a quote which doesn't fit what literally comes not even 10 words afterwards.

Once more, the scene from the webcomic is oudated, The scene. It's not usable.

So in reality, you have the manga quote alone to prove your point. That's the reason why it's a "likely" and not a "definitely"
 
databook: planet busting statement

webcomic no planet busting statement

manga: no planet busting statement

faisal shoving you the way of canonical order: WEBCOMIC FIRST

your way of arguing: the webcomic statement cant be used (despite it being the first in canon source order)

regardless how we look at it. the statements of the more important actual story (which ONE himself creates and we acknowledge as primary canon) never work with planet busting statement
 
Yes, because the webcomic is an old version of this scene and a badly drawn one at that.

Once more, you keep saying "primary canon" as if it somehow makes the databook less canon that it is. Even if it is on a higher level of canonicity, all it does is set a lower bound for what came afterwards.
 
what? how does the quality of the artstyle translate to how relevant it is in terms of character tiering? not at all

exactly. i keep saying primary canon since we treate the webcomic and the manga as the 2 main canon sources

and your entire argument is: the databook states it to be planet level -> meaning you absolutely want to disregard the entire storyline where in both, manga and webcomic, nothing of this was stated

the databook is meant to support the storyline. when it does not support the storyline but contradicts it, it gets disregarded.

we base our character tier off the story. not databooks (which even contradicts itself in the translation, i cant repeat that enough)

multi continental level are the feats.

multi continental are the statements in the 2 main stories

questionable planetlevel or multicontinental is the databook

you are in denial i am afraid
 
Let's be honest, the storyline has nothing to do with this wiki in the slightest. It has absolutely nothing to do with whether Boros is planet level by our definiton or not.

The databook is a supporting tool meant to clarify on things left out in the anime, for various reasons. It's also a fan gift. That's why it exists and that's why it's canon, because ONE knows his fans would appreciate it.

We base characers off canon. The databook is canon. It is not "supplementary" canon as you suggest. It is fully canon. You can say that the statement in the manga takes precendence but all that really means is that we add a "possibly" or a "likely" to the profile, which we did.

The only one in denial - who has been backpedaling this entire thread - is you.
 
i am sorry but how can you state that

"the storyline has nothing to do with this wik" ???

this wiki and its characters tiers are absolutely based on the showings we see in the storyline. everything else would be ridicoulus and straight out not possible

you on the one hand agree that

"the databook is a supporting tool"

yet on the other hand think the storyline has nothing to do with the wiki? for what is it a supporting tool if not the story?

and its not me as a person with my subjective opinion stating that

"the statement in the manga takes precendence"

but the general method we use when finding a characters tier.

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i will refrain from responding to your last sentence, regardless how baseless it was.

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so all in all we have come to the consens that saitama and boros are multi continental. the "likely at least planet level" will be changed to "probably planet level (according to the databook/link)
 
I'm saying the author doesn't care about power levels. Power levels are inconsquential to his story. This is pretty much a given among most authors. So when you use the world "storyline" it doesn't make sense in conjunction with this wiki.

Are we talking about feats, then? Feats are just one way of judging a character. The databook statement is planet level. We have a planet level source. You say the manga contradicts it but I think it's just something the author doesn't give a crap about. He only took the time to clarify because his fans wanted him to.

"the ''l'ikely at least planet level' will be changed to 'probably planet level'"

I'm OK with that.
 
if we go by the databook we have temari which can blow away the universe. a databook is NOT to be taken over on panel statements and feats

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the reason the authors do not care about it is one of the main reasons we take these things with a grain of salt.


edit: nvmd. now. i will make the changes, we have come to an agreement
 
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