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Resident Evil Discussion Thread

Also apparently i found a town level scale for leon
Resident Evil Archives II (Biohazard Archives II in Japan) is an encyclopedia of the Resident Evil series, featuring background information on the storylines of the titles released after the original Resident Evil Archives.Anyone who has played RE4 knows that Dr.Salavdor is stronger than the normal ganados and takes a lot of firepower to be taken down and deals more damage than the usual enemies. Ofc this happens in the gameplay so might not be the best way to scale our characters but, as seen in the scans above, Dr.Salvador's special durability and strength is talked about and it's credited to his higher affinity with the Plaga (even tho he has the same plaga as the normal enemies). Because he's more adaptable to it he gets more of a boost compared to the normal enemies. So there's actually a lore accurate reason behind his high HP bar, same goes for the cultists in the red robes.This leads me to believe that the HP bars of enemies is meant to show their adaptability to the Plaga parasite and by extention their strength and endurance asw Now this blog has already calculated enemies HP's and has given us a reliable list, from this we can scale other characters from each other.


True form Mendez is stronger than anything Leon had faced before, Which includes Super Tyrants and Tyrants, he would be also above Gulp worms and Grave Diggers who are below Tyrants as explained


This statement from RE4 Digital archives supports this animation, Leon died in the video because he had low HP, but otherwise, he can survive this, and since later, Leon can harm those who can harm him, Leon and by extension others scale to Small City - City Level



Grave Digger causes an shaking, feat occures here and in this video asw.
-Distance from where the shaking was felt at:First picture:Average door's width is 32 inches or 0.81 meters We will use the door's width on RE3's map as our refrence point here. Door width on RE3's map is 8 pixels (Blue line)(0.81/8) * 150 = 0.1524 meters or 0.01524 kilometers-
Magnitude: In the Mercalli scale an earthquake with the magnitude of 8 has The fall of chimneys, factory stacks, columns, monuments, and walls. In the first video Grave Digger made the area violently shake; to the point where the memorials were shaking too. In the second video it shakes the whole area so much Jill stops in her tracks and then falls down as the grave digger destroyed the urban walkway. Destroying an urban walkway requires more energy than just making walls or columns fall or turning heavy furniture upside down. As seen in the examples of an magnitude 8 earthquake, Mud huts and wooden shacks were destroyed, our earthquake destroyed a stone walkway which is more difficult to be destroyed. All the evidence points out to the earthquake being as strong as a magntiude 8 earthquake, if not stronger.A magntiude 8 earthquake in mercalli scale translates into a magntiude 7 earthquake in ritcher scale.-
Final Calculations: (0.0238 * 0.015) + 7 = 7.... (7 * 1.5) + 4.8 = 15.30005 10^12.30005 = 1.99526231E+15 Joules or 481.714 kilotons of TNT (Large Town level)

Resident Evil 3 Nemesis Boss Grave Digger
RE3: How to Fight the Gravedigger (First Battle)

Gulp worms in CV are B.O.W versions of Grave Diggers in RE3, While grave diggers were created trough the T-Virus infecting the soil of RC and causing worms to mutate, Gulp worms were created via intentionally injecting the T-Virus to Gulp worms, so they are technically the same with the difference that one was intentionally created while the other one wasn't.
  • BIOHAZARD CODE:Veronica Complete Edition Kaitai Shinsho
This also means that they scale to Grave Digger's shaking



Tyrants have consistently been called the " Ultimate Life form " or " The Ultimate T-Virus B.O.W " This would put them above gulp worms and any T-Virus B.O.W and as I've already explained above, Gulp worms are the same as grave diggers who are Large Town
https://imgur.com/a/y930mks


As explained above Gulp Worms are B.O.W. version of Grave Diggers, so they should scale to Grave Diggers who scale to Large Town level and Tyrants are > Grave Diggers.
As explained above, HP bars are canon and are meant to reflect character's respective power levels, and Mendez is the greatest threat threat Leon had faced up until the barn fight.With that in mind let's chain scale
Mendez in his true form has 184.1 HP 481.714/184.1 = 2.6165888104
True form Saddler:2.6165888104 * 4,000 = 10,4667 Kilotons of TNT or 10.466 Megatons of TNT (City level)
True form Krauser:575 * 2.6165888104 = 1,504 Kilotons of TNT or 1.504 Megatons of TNT (Small City Level)
Base Krauser: 2.6165888104 * 225 = 588.732 Kilotons of TNT (Large Town level)
 
James11221 said:
Also apparently i found a town level scale for leon
Resident Evil Archives II (Biohazard Archives II in Japan) is an encyclopedia of the Resident Evil series, featuring background information on the storylines of the titles released after the original Resident Evil Archives.Anyone who has played RE4 knows that Dr.Salavdor is stronger than the normal ganados and takes a lot of firepower to be taken down and deals more damage than the usual enemies. Ofc this happens in the gameplay so might not be the best way to scale our characters but, as seen in the scans above, Dr.Salvador's special durability and strength is talked about and it's credited to his higher affinity with the Plaga (even tho he has the same plaga as the normal enemies). Because he's more adaptable to it he gets more of a boost compared to the normal enemies. So there's actually a lore accurate reason behind his high HP bar, same goes for the cultists in the red robes.This leads me to believe that the HP bars of enemies is meant to show their adaptability to the Plaga parasite and by extention their strength and endurance asw Now this blog has already calculated enemies HP's and has given us a reliable list, from this we can scale other characters from each other.


True form Mendez is stronger than anything Leon had faced before, Which includes Super Tyrants and Tyrants, he would be also above Gulp worms and Grave Diggers who are below Tyrants as explained


This statement from RE4 Digital archives supports this animation, Leon died in the video because he had low HP, but otherwise, he can survive this, and since later, Leon can harm those who can harm him, Leon and by extension others scale to Small City - City Level



Grave Digger causes an shaking, feat occures here and in this video asw.
-Distance from where the shaking was felt at:First picture:Average door's width is 32 inches or 0.81 meters We will use the door's width on RE3's map as our refrence point here. Door width on RE3's map is 8 pixels (Blue line)(0.81/8) * 150 = 0.1524 meters or 0.01524 kilometers-
Magnitude: In the Mercalli scale an earthquake with the magnitude of 8 has The fall of chimneys, factory stacks, columns, monuments, and walls. In the first video Grave Digger made the area violently shake; to the point where the memorials were shaking too. In the second video it shakes the whole area so much Jill stops in her tracks and then falls down as the grave digger destroyed the urban walkway. Destroying an urban walkway requires more energy than just making walls or columns fall or turning heavy furniture upside down. As seen in the examples of an magnitude 8 earthquake, Mud huts and wooden shacks were destroyed, our earthquake destroyed a stone walkway which is more difficult to be destroyed. All the evidence points out to the earthquake being as strong as a magntiude 8 earthquake, if not stronger.A magntiude 8 earthquake in mercalli scale translates into a magntiude 7 earthquake in ritcher scale.-
Final Calculations: (0.0238 * 0.015) + 7 = 7.... (7 * 1.5) + 4.8 = 15.30005 10^12.30005 = 1.99526231E+15 Joules or 481.714 kilotons of TNT (Large Town level)

Resident Evil 3 Nemesis Boss Grave Digger
RE3: How to Fight the Gravedigger (First Battle)

Gulp worms in CV are B.O.W versions of Grave Diggers in RE3, While grave diggers were created trough the T-Virus infecting the soil of RC and causing worms to mutate, Gulp worms were created via intentionally injecting the T-Virus to Gulp worms, so they are technically the same with the difference that one was intentionally created while the other one wasn't.
  • BIOHAZARD CODE:Veronica Complete Edition Kaitai Shinsho
This also means that they scale to Grave Digger's shaking



Tyrants have consistently been called the " Ultimate Life form " or " The Ultimate T-Virus B.O.W " This would put them above gulp worms and any T-Virus B.O.W and as I've already explained above, Gulp worms are the same as grave diggers who are Large Town
https://imgur.com/a/y930mks


As explained above Gulp Worms are B.O.W. version of Grave Diggers, so they should scale to Grave Diggers who scale to Large Town level and Tyrants are > Grave Diggers.
As explained above, HP bars are canon and are meant to reflect character's respective power levels, and Mendez is the greatest threat threat Leon had faced up until the barn fight.With that in mind let's chain scale
Mendez in his true form has 184.1 HP 481.714/184.1 = 2.6165888104
True form Saddler:2.6165888104 * 4,000 = 10,4667 Kilotons of TNT or 10.466 Megatons of TNT (City level)
True form Krauser:575 * 2.6165888104 = 1,504 Kilotons of TNT or 1.504 Megatons of TNT (Small City Level)
Base Krauser: 2.6165888104 * 225 = 588.732 Kilotons of TNT (Large Town level)
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1. I do not think this site accepts earth quakes that affect small area’s as valid.

2. even if that was legit the Hp scaling would not be. As it’s considered a form of calc stacking which is not accepted here.
 
Jesterofgames said:
1. I do not think this site accepts earth quakes that affect small area’s as valid.

2. even if that was legit the Hp scaling would not be. As it’s considered a form of calc stacking which is not accepted here.
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vsbw doesnt dismiss small earthquakes idk where you got that info from

Its not calc stacking if its just using hp as a way to find out dura with an actual justification as to why
 
James11221 said:
vsbw doesnt dismiss small earthquakes idk where you got that info from

Its not calc stacking if its just using hp as a way to find out dura with an actual justification as to why
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1. I’ve seen some get dismissed hence what I said. If you want to see you can always take it to calc evaluation

2. Iirc Other stuff like it have been dismissed as calc stacking. Unless it’s a explicitly stated multiplier it’s usually not considered.
 
I don’t think it’s legit.
If it were it’d be massive outlier still, the only feats that come close to that level obliterate the strongest BOWs.
 
TartaChocholate said:
So they aren't separate things in the end? Ugh, this makes the differences harder to understand.

Also, holy frig, RE Requiem was a friggin blast.
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I think in capcom’s perspective, it’s the overall story that’s canon. Not the detail’s. Remake’s story for 2 remake is overall similar to OG2. But not the detail’s. They change and distort them. Which is in fact annoying af for power scaling due to contraditiction’s. (I just composite personally but I get why this site doesn’t.)
 
Jesterofgames said:
I think in capcom’s perspective, it’s the overall story that’s canon. Not the detail’s. Remake’s story for 2 remake is overall similar to OG2. But not the detail’s. They change and distort them. Which is in fact annoying af for power scaling due to contraditiction’s. (I just composite personally but I get why this site doesn’t.)
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Some games also have some important differences. I remember when I was playing RE4 Remake that the backstory surrounding Las Plagas and Sadler's family wasn't the same but couldn't recall given I played the original RE4 like 20 years ago. When checking on the RE wiki, indeed the story had taken a few shifts. Granted, the overall plot of the game is the same, but who is the psycho Leon is beating up changes quite a bit.

Some other stuff isn't so much of an issue since they were just straight up additions. IIRC Spencer and his work first appeared in the Remake of RE1, correct?
 
Jesterofgames said:
I think in capcom’s perspective, it’s the overall story that’s canon. Not the detail’s. Remake’s story for 2 remake is overall similar to OG2. But not the detail’s. They change and distort them. Which is in fact annoying af for power scaling due to contraditiction’s. (I just composite personally but I get why this site doesn’t.)
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pretty much because it changes P&A and ratings.
 
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We are not gonna composite because there are enough differences in feats and even stories of Characters that it warrants two profiles.

I don’t understand why is this so hard for you guys to understand. They can be in the same timeline and we would still split it due to said differences
 
Baken384 said:
We are not gonna composite because there are enough differences in feats and even stories of Characters that it warrants two profiles.

I don’t understand why is this so hard for you guys to understand. They can be in the same timeline and we would still split it due to said differences
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I literally said I understand why this site doesn’t composite. Indexing p&a and the notable feat differences is much easier without compositing.

I am not arguing for compositing either. I was just making a comment on what I personally do and how capcom’s
likely treating the canon.
 
Baken384 said:
We are not gonna composite because there are enough differences in feats and even stories of Characters that it warrants two profiles.

I don’t understand why is this so hard for you guys to understand. They can be in the same timeline and we would still split it due to said differences
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Baken384 said:
Yare yare daze.. i went off… my bad…. Leon Kennedy goat..
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Don't worry, we're not planning on doing a CRT to composite the pages, we're just saying that we personally consider the verse to be composite.
 
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Major MCU Speed Downgrade: Far From Bullet Speeds

Summary Before I begin shoutout to @M3X_2.0 and @Lonkitt for being a big help and contributing a lot to this Edit: Also thanks @Fastestthingalive50 for helping to correct the grammar and writing here as well This thread aims to address a recurring issue in discussions about MCU scaling: the...
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Reading this CRT, I thought: what if we downgrade the speed of Resident Evil characters who haven't visually demonstrated superhuman speed like Wesker?
 
Ser_Hakim_Dayne said:
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Major MCU Speed Downgrade: Far From Bullet Speeds

Summary Before I begin shoutout to @M3X_2.0 and @Lonkitt for being a big help and contributing a lot to this Edit: Also thanks @Fastestthingalive50 for helping to correct the grammar and writing here as well This thread aims to address a recurring issue in discussions about MCU scaling: the...
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Reading this CRT, I thought: what if we downgrade the speed of Resident Evil characters who haven't visually demonstrated superhuman speed like Wesker?
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RE has higher volume of supersonic feats either from the characters themselves or the B.O.W.s they can consistently dodge and fight in close quarters either in the games or official novelizations of the games.

Wesker also doesn’t cap the verse he is just tiers above everyone else in speed portrayed by him being invisible to their perceptions.

like I would only say the characters lacking feats or overall portrayal on that level would be Grace and Ethan, but at least the latter has canon training from Chris and could react to Canines off guard attempts, unless the hound wolf squad is absolutely low tier ( unlikely given their hype and the historic relativity in stats of Chris’ partners to him) Ethan at the absolute worst is a tier below current ratings by scaling.
 
Say a bit unrelated, but when was Spencer and the Connections first mentioned in the games? Requiem obviously takes lore from several previous entries, especially for those two. I know Wesker kills Spencer in RE5 but before that I don't remember much. Doesn't help that I have missed many titles so I want to know where to look.
 
Just for reference. Where in RE9 are references to stuff not in the remake timeline? (Basically just curious. Also I see people thinking the Remake stuff now overwites RE canon. VS what I think in that… Uh both are canon and capcom will do whatever it wants. AND AGAIN I am going to clarify. I’m not planning on doing any revisions to how the pages are handled here. Just Asking.)
 
AguilaR202 said:
RE has higher volume of supersonic feats either from the characters themselves or the B.O.W.s they can consistently dodge and fight in close quarters either in the games or official novelizations of the games.

Wesker also doesn’t cap the verse he is just tiers above everyone else in speed portrayed by him being invisible to their perceptions.
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Worth noting Wesker himself has a speed feat almost 10 times faster then Jills direct Mach 7 speed feat as well. And nothing caps him at just bullet timing.

(Granted I disagree with some stuff in the MCU thread. There are other MHS+ verse that use guns but we don’t downgrade them. But Personal opinions)

Anyway’s biggest thing is again like you pointed out A lot of BOW’s character’s can dodge or the character themselves have supersonic feats.

Grace might even be able to scale somewhat to Supersonic or the like due to avoid Licker’s or suped up T-virus projects like the girl or Chunk. (Well maybe.)
 
Jesterofgames said:
Where in RE9 are references to stuff not in the remake timeline?
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I don't know, but I don't think there are any, or if there are, there are very few.

All games, CGI movies, manga, and novels should be canon in both the Original and Remake timelines, with the sole exception of the OG versions which are replaced by the Remake versions in the Remake timeline.

Also, since the timelines of the Originals and Remakes are separate, the timeline of the Chronicles games should also be separate according to the same logic, because the events presented in RE0, 1, 2, 3 and Veronica in Umbrella Chronicles and Darkside Chronicles are different from those of the Originals and Remakes.
 
Ser_Hakim_Dayne said:
, the timeline of the Chronicles games should also be separate according to the same logic, because the events presented in RE0, 1, 2, 3 and Veronica in Umbrella Chronicles and Darkside Chronicles are different from those of the Originals and Remakes.
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ok its not like we use feats from those games anyway.
We should only be allowed to use any feats from Umbrella's End or Operation Javier
 
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AURA FARMING LEAGUE ! MATCH 11 : ZYGARDE VS CHRIS REDFIELD (WEEK 3)

Pokemon vs Resident Evil From the balance of the world itself… when order begins to fall apart… it awakens. Silent. Absolute. Every action… restoring what must be. Not emotion… not judgment… just necessity. The guardian of equilibrium… Zygarde. And across him… A man who kept standing… no...
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ZYGARDE GOES 100% ! AND FIGHTS CHRIS REDFIELD !
 
Shouldnt the main cast get Resistance to Heat from being able to fight within volcanic enviroments/ a few meters above molten steel?

Leon in RE4 (original) can fight within the lava room of Salazar castle and both remake and OG versions fight twin el Gigantes a few meters above lava/ molten steel

Chris and Sheva fight Wesker within an active volcano, at multiple points they themselves are centimeters away from flowing lava

Jake and Sherry fight Ustanak within a huge blast furnace with barely cooled surface iron, then again in an open platform a few meters away from molten iron.
 
AguilaR202 said:
Shouldnt the main cast get Resistance to Heat from being able to fight within volcanic enviroments/ a few meters above molten steel?

Leon in RE4 (original) can fight within the lava room of Salazar castle and both remake and OG versions fight twin el Gigantes a few meters above lava/ molten steel

Chris and Sheva fight Wesker within an active volcano, at multiple points they themselves are centimeters away from flowing lava

Jake and Sherry fight Ustanak within a huge blast furnace with barely cooled surface iron, then again in an open platform a few meters away from molten iron.
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Yes
 
I measured Victor Gideon's rigged model at 226 cm tall in blender. How the **** does that guy walk around in public without everyone looking at him? This man is literally as tall as Victor Wembanyama.

Also, Mr. X is 231 cm and Nemesis is 256 cm tall in the remake. I wonder if that affects some old calcs that needed their height for reference, because they are much taller than calcs previously estimated. I doubt it's enough for a whole tier jump but they're definitely higher into whatever tier they're in I bet.
 
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Albert Wesker and Resident evil Relativistic/FTL

Me siento obligado a plantear este tema para debate porque me parece muy absurdo que en otros universos, con menos argumentos e incluso con factores que podrían considerarse atípicos, este tipo de hazañas se acepten, pero en el caso de Resident Evil se nieguen. En Resident Evil: Dead Aim, un...
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Good watch for anyone interested in the movie.

Personally I gotta say I have no issues with the overall direction he wants to take the movie in. Raccoon city as a setting following a character who is not from the games is perfectly fine by me as long as it still gives the vibes of a city apocalypse survival. If anything I actually prefer this direction. I'm a little concerned tho by a few of the things he talks about. For example, him talking about how there won't be a lot of zombies is killing the vibe for me. I take no issue with him wanting to explore "monsters" resulting from the T-Virus but I disagree with the notion that you have to take away from the most common enemy type in the game to do so. I feel like having a good blend of both can be easily done and I'm scared off by the fact that that he said there's only THREE scenes.

Also I was hoping for a stalker type of character so him saying there's not a nemesis type of character kills that dream but that's not a total deal breaker for me. I don't like either how his "nod' to nemesis is an absurdly fat monster. And lastly, maybe this one is a little picky and might've just been a slip of tongue, but Cregger says Re2 was the first day of a real outbreak which isn't true since that would be the first part of Re3. Again I know it's nitpicky but for a guy to claim to be such a big fan of the series to get that clear of a detail wrong worries me a bit.

Still super excited and the trailer looks promising but we'll see.
 
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