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[Vapidhoe]

Leon S. Kennedy vs Courier Six

• Both 9-A key
• takes place in RPD
• Both have prior knowledge
• Starting Distance: 10 meters
• Standard and optional equipment allowed

Leon's advantage :

• More skilled
• LS gap
• acrobatic
• better combat and reaction speed

Six's advantage :

• Smarter
• AP and Dura gap
• Can summon Mysterious stranger and ms fortune due to luck

Leon : Gohan?_You're_still_alive?

Courier : Vapidhoe

 

[Gohan?_You're_still_alive?]

I'd say stomp, then I look at Leon's speed, all Leon has to do is land a shot with the rocket launcher or a few magnum shots to win, but since the Courier has luck on his side, there's a high chance Leon may "miss" his shots, late game Courier can also CQC Super Mutant Behemoth's which can hit w/ 0.321 tons, if we convert the building level scan energy joules to tons of TNT.

Assuming this is late-game Courier; each attack Leon will be dealt will feel like a truck. Leon will only be able to harm them with his high-powered weapons & explosives; Leon's death cap is also at 0.364, but since he has his equipment, he's got a 30% damage reduction with the vest, meaning the cap nears out at 0.473 tons.

. . .

That is if the Courier manages to even land a hit, that's where Leon's vastly superior reaction & combat speeds come in, he'd likely end up using a flashbang to get away when he realizes his opponent is strong. The Courier has a faster travel speed, but Leon can definitely keep up in CQC, assuming Courier's luck doesn't make Leon slip up. In CQC, Courier is definitely getting speedblitzed, when Leon realizes hitting them isn't going to work, he's going to work up-close with his guns.

Not to mention Leon's superior lifting strength means he can out grapple anything the Courier tries. (he could most likely disarm them too, since Leon has knowledge, he'll know about Courier's lightspeed weaponry and to disarm them or stick to CQC so he can dodge their line of fire completely), knowing of their supernatural luck, he'd most likely take a gamble with the rocket launcher too. Leon. . Also has a laser based weapon if you count the P.R.L 412.

IF this is 2010 onwards Leon, I'm voting Leon, since by RE6 & the late movies, he's already implemented, numerous, ways of utilizing his weapons in CQC; ultimately, he'd just speedblitz the Courier and put a couple magnum rounds in him, Courier's luck isn't always 100%, so eventually he will slip up, since Leon will basically see almost everything the Courier throws like it's in super slow motion.

Maybe it's still a stomp? Idk-

 

[Vapidhoe]

I'd say stomp, then I look at Leon's speed, all Leon has to do is land a shot with the rocket launcher or a few magnum shots to win, but since the Courier has luck on his side, there's a high chance Leon may "miss" his shots, late game Courier can also CQC Super Mutant Behemoth's which can hit w/ 0.321 tons, if we convert the building level scan energy joules to tons of TNT.

Assuming this is late-game Courier; each attack Leon will be dealt will feel like a truck. Leon will only be able to harm them with his high-powered weapons & explosives; Leon's death cap is also at 0.364, but since he has his equipment, he's got a 30% damage reduction with the vest, meaning the cap nears out at 0.473 tons.

. . .

That is if the Courier manages to even land a hit, that's where Leon's vastly superior reaction & combat speeds come in, he'd likely end up using a flashbang to get away when he realizes his opponent is strong. The Courier has a faster travel speed, but Leon can definitely keep up in CQC, assuming Courier's luck doesn't make Leon slip up. In CQC, Courier is definitely getting speedblitzed, when Leon realizes hitting them isn't going to work, he's going to work up-close with his guns.

Not to mention Leon's superior lifting strength means he can out grapple anything the Courier tries. (he could most likely disarm them too, since Leon has knowledge, he'll know about Courier's lightspeed weaponry and to disarm them or stick to CQC so he can dodge their line of fire completely), knowing of their supernatural luck, he'd most likely take a gamble with the rocket launcher too. Leon. . Also has a laser based weapon if you count the P.R.L 412.

IF this is 2010 onwards Leon, I'm voting Leon, since by RE6 & the late movies, he's already implemented, numerous, ways of utilizing his weapons in CQC; ultimately, he'd just speedblitz the Courier and put a couple magnum rounds in him, Courier's luck isn't always 100%, so eventually he will slip up, since Leon will basically see almost everything the Courier throws like it's in super slow motion.

Maybe it's still a stomp? Idk-

You also need to account whether Leon can react to Courier using grx or not (since it literally slows down time while keeping Six's normal speed or even amped speed intact, it's very similar to how sandevistan from cyberpunk work) your argument is quite valid, but assuming late game with maxed stats with high perception and luck, I find Six landing a hit, even with Leon having superior speed, very likely and turns Leon into ashes with plasmas, and I don't even think 30% damage reduction would work seeing how Plasma can literally reduce anyone (behemoth included) into a goo ash

As for the ls argument, that assumes if Leon is able to catch Six with Six superior movement speed, if it isnt a close range battle, i don't think ls would do much in this case


Counted.

 

[Vapidhoe]

Bump

 

[Gohan?_You're_still_alive?]

You also need to account whether Leon can react to Courier using grx or not (since it literally slows down time while keeping Six's normal speed or even amped speed intact, it's very similar to how sandevistan from cyberpunk work) your argument is quite valid, but assuming late game with maxed stats with high perception and luck, I find Six landing a hit, even with Leon having superior speed, very likely and turns Leon into ashes with plasmas, and I don't even think 30% damage reduction would work seeing how Plasma can literally reduce anyone (behemoth included) into a goo ash

As for the ls argument, that assumes if Leon is able to catch Six with Six superior movement speed, if it isnt a close range battle, i don't think ls would do much in this case


Counted.

Both have prior knowledge, Leon's definitely going to close the gap & use his strongest weapons if he knows about plasma weaponry that can just up and disintegrate you, heck, he can use flash grenades if he needs to stun them to get up close.

Also, GRX only slows the game time down to 20% (doing the calculations, Courier would still be unable to keep up with Leon since he's at a whopping Hypersonic level of combat & reactions, which is Mach 5-10, if he is capable of Transonic; 0.9-1.1 without GRX, then with an 80% multiplier, that equals Mach 1.9, which is merely mid-level Supersonic. Leon would still have a massive edge in CQC speeds) GRX is ultimately temporary.

The Courier will have to rely on plasma weaponry to put Leon down due to the speed gap, but tbh? That's if Leon doesn't pull his own SoL laser weapon the P.R.L 412 on them (it causes total molecular or cellular disintegration of any organism, at least in its description. Since it can one-shot massive creatures like El Gigante or the mutated Salazar who are "Large Building" sized threats iirc, it puts Leon's destructive capability almost on par with his rocket launcher, I have no idea why it has no significance on Leon's profile. Either it was forgotten about or it only affects someone with Las Plagas), considering Courier's travel speed. It's instant death weapon vs instant death weapon; while it could honestly go both ways, I still lean towards Leon's, since Leon's vastly superior combat/reaction speeds means he'd outdraw the Courier in terms of taking out his weapon and make the first shot. And no, I'm very aware of Courier's ace in the hole; V.A.T.S won't make much a speed difference either, since if you are being ambushed, those frames spent in the "drawing" animation when activating V.A.T.S can sometimes feel like a lifetime before you can actually select targets. Courier still has to draw their weapon to use it, by that time, Leon's already fired at them.

. .Which is another reason why I keep asking if this is a stomp, even with GRX or V.A.T.S, the speedblitz is huge.

 

[Vapidhoe]

Both have prior knowledge, Leon's definitely going to close the gap & use his strongest weapons if he knows about plasma weaponry that can just up and disintegrate you, heck, he can use flash grenades if he needs to stun them to get up close.

Also, GRX only slows the game time down to 20% (doing the calculations, Courier would still be unable to keep up with Leon since he's at a whopping Hypersonic level of combat & reactions, which is Mach 5-10, if he is capable of Transonic; 0.9-1.1 without GRX, then with an 80% multiplier, that equals Mach 1.9, which is merely mid-level Supersonic. Leon would still have a massive edge in CQC speeds) GRX is ultimately temporary.

The Courier will have to rely on plasma weaponry to put Leon down due to the speed gap, but tbh? That's if Leon doesn't pull his own SoL laser weapon the P.R.L 412 on them (it causes total molecular or cellular disintegration of any organism, at least in its description. Since it can one-shot massive creatures like El Gigante or the mutated Salazar who are "Large Building" sized threats iirc, it puts Leon's destructive capability almost on par with his rocket launcher, I have no idea why it has no significance on Leon's profile. Either it was forgotten about or it only affects someone with Las Plagas), considering Courier's travel speed. It's instant death weapon vs instant death weapon; while it could honestly go both ways, I still lean towards Leon's, since Leon's vastly superior combat/reaction speeds means he'd outdraw the Courier in terms of taking out his weapon and make the first shot. And no, I'm very aware of Courier's ace in the hole; V.A.T.S won't make much a speed difference either, since if you are being ambushed, those frames spent in the "drawing" animation when activating V.A.T.S can sometimes feel like a lifetime before you can actually select targets. Courier still has to draw their weapon to use it, by that time, Leon's already fired at them.

. .Which is another reason why I keep asking if this is a stomp, even with GRX or V.A.T.S, the speedblitz is huge.

Leon having hypersonic reaction/combat scaling doesn’t mean he perceives, identifies, draws, aims, and fires before the Six can respond especially when the Six’s toolkit isn’t just raw speed since V.A.T.S. isn’t a reflex boost, it’s literally a targeting system that compresses decision making based on the user perception(which in this case, the time literally stopped meaning it is an instant execution) and more importantly, it can be pre-queued the moment a threat is recognized. Even if you argue there’s a “draw animation,” by the same logic, Leon also has draw time, aim time, and trigger time.

Courier six profile has resistances to energy, plasma, heat, electricity, explosions, poison, and even partial matter/energy-based effects thanks to perks, gear and implants. That matters a lot because both of your Leon’s proposed win-cons which is the P.R.L. 412 and even standard high-end weaponry, fall directly into categories the Courier is already built to mitigate. The “In Shining Armor” perk alone explicitly reduces damage from laser, plasma, and similar energy weapons, meaning Leon’s supposed instant-kill laser isn’t hitting a neutral target, it’s hitting someone with resistance to that exact damage type.

Leon’s P.R.L. 412 is not some durability-negation hax, , it’s still an energy weapon with a described effect. Meanwhile, the Courier routinely tanks and resists multiple forms of energy, based damage, including plasma weapons that already operate on molecular destabilization that turns targets into literal goo which is conceptually very similar to what you’re arguing the P.R.L. does.

 

[Gohan?_You're_still_alive?]

All considered, that might also hinder the damage of his rocket launcher, the magnum wincon's all Leon really has going for, he has to get close enough to outspeed Courier in CQC, while he has flashbangs, I realized another way Courier can win. They just end up not fighting; I may change my vote to Courier since I just realized he could talk Leon out of fighting, Leon's a pretty reasonable guy to realize any ally would be good to have and Courier's got good enough Social Influencing for it to be a viable wincon on their end.

Assuming this isn't SBA, SI is the primary way Courier would take it.

 

[Vapidhoe]

Need more arguments for both sides tbh, for now i'm leaning more towards Courier Six

 

[Hiei312]

Out of curiosity, are y'all accepting some of the more insane stuff in Requiem as feats for Leon? like being able to parry an RPG back towards the shooter?

 

[Gohan?_You're_still_alive?]

Apparently Leon's eventually going to get a Requiem key, which will make him 8-C physically, we could wait and see.