Request: Dr. Strange (Classic) vs. Time (Incarnations)

[Dargoo_Faust]

fine Zack let's debate this here

Two cloak bois fight. I think this is a stomp, but I'd like to see comments, I guess.

Battle takes place in a comic book store. Starting distance of 10 meters, speed is equalized.

Time -

Strange -

Incon -

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

The comic book store definitely gets destroyed in the process.


Anyhow, Strange holds a massive brute force advantage (hundreds of universes vs four universes), but Time has causality manipulation, and strange can't technically kill time down. HOWEVER, Strange having a lot of non lethal incap methods, like sealing, stealing time's powers, means he wins VERY high difficulty. Possesion didn't help SHuman.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

The instant Strange tries to do anything he gets aged into oblivion, something I really doubt his Type 1 would save him from as that effects regular matter as well.

Time has reverse causality, if Strange tries to seal him or his powers, it would be un-done the moment he does it, assuming the spell itself isn't aged into oblivion.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Time resists many of his hax, and opens consistently with timehax Strange doesn't resist, btw.

Also, Time resists any magic this guy does alongside his other resistances.

Satan (Incarnations of Immortality)

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Bruh for once that Type 1 serves a purpose and you're going to brush it away?

But pretty sure that it works on matter because matter ages down as well. It degrades over time. Which wouldn't really work on someone immortal other than making their clothes disappear. So Time only strips naked Strange here.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

It depends on how his Immortality works.

If he's simply biologically immortal, then yes, the agehax would adversely affect him.

So, it would help to explain how his Type 1 works.

That's besides the point, however. Strange can't do anything to Time, and Time can just hax him into incap.

 

[Agnaa]

Holding off voting until a better explanation of Strange's Type 1 is given.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

I mean, if his physical body is destroyed, strange can fight as a soul.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

But pretty sure that it works on matter because matter ages down as well. It degrades over time. Which wouldn't really work on someone immortal other than making their clothes disappear. So Time only strips naked Strange here.

A very sexy naked strange then beats the crap out of time

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

?bump

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Well, let's disregard Strange's immortality for a second.

What can strange do to someone who operates on reverse time/causality?

And what can he do if Time just reverses time/causality for him? And yes, Time can do this offensively, indefinitely, and focused on one person, and with a thought.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Universal range time reversal is one of Strange's powers, ironically

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

That wouldn't really help him when all of his actions are being reversed.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Wait

Time's time travel is limited to 40 years?

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

No, he can go back as far as he wants.

He can only interact with the past for up to 40 years.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Because, Strange can travel back as far as he wants and interact/change the past any way he wants, not just 40 years

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Again, Time can just put him into a state of reversed Time/Causality which would basically be a localized, permament, time rewind. With a thought.

If we want to play that game, Strange just has to deal with the next incarnation of Time after Norton, as at that point the hourglass would just be handed to a different person.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Would reversing time a second time undo it? Because Strange's time manipulation/reversal is at least Low 2-C in scale

Hypothetically speaking, what would happen if the hourglass was destroyed, even if strange can't destroy it?

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

No, it wouldn't help, as strange would already be un-doing all of his actions for eternity at that point. He wouldn't even be able to tell what is happening, as all of this thoughts would be being reversed, too.

The Hourglass can't be physically destroyed, at least up to the 2-C powers of the other incarnations.

If it was destroyed, Time and Causality would stop existing.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

I mean, Strange fought dormammu who fought the embodiment of time on a similar scale


For the hourglass, I'm asking hypothetically

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

That... doesn't give him resistances to Time-Based abilities by any means. Norton can also just freeze him in time with a localized time stop.

Well, I gave you a hypothetical answer. Time and Causality as a concept would stop existing.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Okay, so strange can't destroy the hourglass (Destroying time would not kill him as he's survived it's destruction before, however, destroying causality would)

Is Norton's time manipulation universal in scale?

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Yes, although it doesn't affect very specific areas of the universe, which don't operate on linear time.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Doesn't Strange have 1-A sealing

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

It would be hard for him to seal when all of his actions are being reversed, including his thoughts.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Bump.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Strange defeated both Bill Cipher and Monika in other threads

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Doesent time like, need an item to use his powers? Even if he doesent strange can probably steal his powers

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Also didn't morgoth stomp time?

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

A > B > C logic, gonna have to give better reasoning than that.

Strange can't exactly steal powers from someone with backwards causality unless he can also enter backwards time/causality. Which he would get frozen in time or reversed in time before he can properly do so.

Time's powers depend on his hourglass, yes, but it has 2-C indestructibility and maintains both time and causality across (most) of the entire universe.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

So, what would happen if strange sealed the hourglass?

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Well, from Time's perspective, the Hourglass would be sealed for an indefinite time in his past, and then suddenly un-seal as the fight begins.

Basically it would cause a paradox that wouldn't affect the present-time.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

• The Images of Ikonn: A spell that reaches into an opponent's mind and confronts them with their own worst fears, regrets, and all other buried negative emotions. Was effective against Galactus.

Can mind hax abstracts?

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Time Reversal (On a universal scale with the Cosmic Wheel of Change)

It's not like time's powers are new to him

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

For one: That would either cause a paradox Time could just un-do with his hourglass, or TIme's backwards causality would just reverse it as it happens on him.

For two: That just means Time could perceive strange, and would freeze strange in place permamently while he's performing that. My point is strange has to activate sepeate abilities just to interact withj Time, whereas Time can just freeze him from the get-go, to which he surprisingly doesn't have any resistances to.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Strange should have resistance to time manipulation but I'm too lazy to add it

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

I mean, can you give scans of Classic Strange being unaffeccted by time freezes, rewinds, etc?

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

http://i.imgur.com/SV6Cf68.jpg

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

TIme-Warping and Time-Freezing are two different things, allso I'd like context of what exactly that time warp was.

Mainly because Strange wouldn't be able to react if he's instantly frozen in time, something he needed to do for that feat.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

I mean, strange can fight dorammu, who can do this.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11120/111204187/5633064-35.jpg