Reposting Hulk feat and power Addition and tier 2-A to Low 1-C upgrade

[Excellence616]

After reading this comic by Donny Cates, I realized that hulk need a tier upgrade and power addition.
This is the link to the comic
Here:
Attack Potency: damage Iron Man's Celestial Armor.

Hulk Vol 5 #7 (2022)


Destroyed Iron Man's Celestial Armor and damage Thor.

Hulk Vol 5 #7 (2022)

Durability: Withstood attacks from Celestial Armor.

Hulk Vol 5 #7 (2022)


Hulk can also give out huge amount of energy from his body and eyes.

Hulk Vol 5 #5, #6 and #7 (2022)


And also absorb his opponents.

Hulk Vol 5 #6 (2022)

 

[Confluctor]

Is this the same as his Godkiller Armor that was initially created by Aspirants? Or a different Celestial Buster armour?

 

[Eficiente]

Things in blogspot get deleted at random, please move it at Imgur.

 

[Excellence616]

Is this the same as his Godkiller Armor that was initially created by Aspirants? Or a different Celestial Buster armour?

No, it is a different celestial armor.

 

[Excellence616]

Things in blogspot get deleted at random, please move it at Imgur.

Okay

 

[Excellence616]

After reading this comic by Donny Cates, I realized that hulk need a tier upgrade and power addition.
This is the link to the comic
Here:
Attack Potency: damage Iron Man's Celestial Armor.

Hulk Vol 5 #7 (2022)


Destroyed Iron Man's Celestial Armor and damage Thor.

Hulk Vol 5 #7 (2022)

Durability: Withstood attacks from Celestial Armor.

Hulk Vol 5 #7 (2022)


Hulk can also give out huge amount of energy from his body and eyes.

Hulk Vol 5 #5, #6 and #7 (2022)


And also absorb his opponents.

Hulk Vol 5 #6 (2022)

@Antvasima your thoughts?

 

[XXKINGXX69]

Maybe current hulk is stronger

 

[Excellence616]

Maybe current hulk is stronger

Yeah

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Are you certain this is consistent? I recall Hulk being easily defeated by Zeus, who is Odin's equal.

 

[XXKINGXX69]

Are you certain this is consistent? I recall Hulk being easily defeated by Zeus, who is Odin's equal.

Scans?

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Incredible Hulks Vol 1 #622

Just two punches from Zeus shatters sends Hulk flying, shatters his ribcage and makes him vomit blood.

 

[XXKINGXX69]

Incredible Hulks Vol 1 #622

Just two punches from Zeus shatters sends Hulk flying, shatters his ribcage and makes him vomit blood.

That was 11 years ago, Hulk obviously gets stronger over time, rage and all

 

[The_Impress]

No, it is a different celestial armor.

What are its feats?

 

[Firestorm808]

What key is this meant for?

 

[The_Impress]

Base I presume

 

[Excellence616]

What are its feats?

It Has no Feats yet, but we can say since it is made from a celestial armor then it must be equal to a celestial

 

[The_Impress]

It Has no Feats yet, but we can say since it is made from a celestial armor then it must be equal to a celestial

No? Celestial armor inherent is a 3D structure.

Not to mention Celestials are jobbers and Cates explicitly criticizes powerscaling for his comics, very publicly too

 

[XXKINGXX69]

No? Celestial armor inherent is a 3D structure.

Not to mention Celestials are jobbers and Cates explicitly criticizes powerscaling for his comics, very publicly too

Celestials are stated to be 5 dimensional, but something makes them look 3D. I can't remember the comic

And why does Cates criticizing powerscaling matters here

 

[Excellence616]

Are you certain this is consistent? I recall Hulk being easily defeated by Zeus, who is Odin's equal.

Well, Hulk didn't fought back because he wanted a favour from Zeus.

 

[The_Impress]

Celestials are stated to be 5 dimensional, but something makes them look 3D. I can't remember the comic

Their axis probably, that's a common explanation for 3-D physical forms in Marvel universe

And why does Cates criticizing powerscaling matters here

Because if shit is written to not fit into the verse then it's ignorable compared to shit meant to fit in. Basic.

Well, Hulk didn't fought back because he wanted a favour from Zeus.

Headcanon?

 

[The_Impress]

@Antvasima @Qawsedf234 @LordTracer input

 

[Excellence616]

Their axis probably, that's a common explanation for 3-D physical forms in Marvel universe

Because if shit is written to not fit into the verse then it's ignorable compared to shit meant to fit in. Basic.

Headcanon?

No at all. If you read #621, 622 and 623 you will understand.

 

[The_Impress]

No at all. If you read #621, 622 and 623 you will understand

k, will later.

 

[XXKINGXX69]

Their axis probably, that's a common explanation for 3-D physical forms in Marvel universe

Because if shit is written to not fit into the verse then it's ignorable compared to shit meant to fit in. Basic.

Headcanon?

It would still make them 5D

Why would they be written to not fit in the verse?

 

[Confluctor]

Celestials are stated to be 5

Their true forms are, not their outer shells, which are often galaxy level to universe to multivese level depending on the type of celestial. The higher in "hieracy", the more power they have.

 

[Antvasima]

Cates explicitly criticizes powerscaling for his comics, very publicly too

Please elaborate.

Regardless, Hulk has explicitly been keeping up with skyfather Thor in this story, but also only unleashed the power of 3,000 gamma bombs in order to destroy Iron Man's Celestial-powered armor.

In addition, I am pretty sure that this story will establish that Hulk may very well be physically stronger than Thor at extreme rage if they are only going to stand and punch each other, but that Thor is ultimately more powerful given his many other powers that the Hulk cannot counter against, so he will win. Also, Thor just powered-up by turning into a Hulk (again, as it has happened once before).

We should probably wait with upgrades until the story has finished.

 

[Excellence616]

Please elaborate.

Regardless, Hulk has explicitly been keeping up with skyfather Thor in this story, but also only unleashed the power of 3,000 gamma bombs in order to destroy Iron Man's Celestial-powered armor.

In addition, I am pretty sure that this story will establish that Hulk may very well be physically stronger than Thor at extreme rage if they are only going to stand and punch each other, but that Thor is ultimately more powerful given his many other powers that the Hulk cannot counter against, so he will win. Also, Thor just powered-up by turning into a Hulk (again, as it has happened once before).

We should probably wait with upgrades until the story has finished.

Okay

 

[Confluctor]

Please elaborate

On twitter, he often talks about how Spidey beating Juggernaut is perfectly fine or if how captain America can beat the sentry if he were to write a story about them. Among a lot of other terrible scaling opinions

 

[XXKINGXX69]

We should probably wait with upgrades until the story has finished.

I agree with this, that way, we won't do any upgrade only to find that new information contradicts the stuff we add on the profile

When is this arc gonna end?

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

captain America can beat the sentry

Based. Nothing can stop the power of America :troll:

 

[Confluctor]

Likely in 4 - 5 months time - since comic arcs are usually 4 - 6 issues long, and Cates usually does 6 issue long arcs. So...

 

[XXKINGXX69]

Likely in 4 - 5 months time - since comic arcs are usually 4 - 6 issues long, and Cates usually does 6 issue long arcs. So...

Who tf can wait that long, I suggest we come back in 3 months

 

[Antvasima]

Likely in 4 - 5 months time - since comic arcs are usually 4 - 6 issues long, and Cates usually does 6 issue long arcs. So...

I think that this story will end much quicker than that, as the component parts have been released quite frequently.

On twitter, he often talks about how Spidey beating Juggernaut is perfectly fine or if how captain America can beat the sentry if he were to write a story about them. Among a lot of other terrible scaling opinions

Well, to be fair, that is very typical behaviour for Marvel writers, which is why we have such ongoing extreme problems with scaling the verse properly, and at least Cates is recurrently entertaining. He does not seem to replace entertainment value with relentless political slander and propaganda, and does not go out of his way to systematically defile and distort character personalities as much as possible, unlike Jason Aaron for example.

 

[Confluctor]

I would say Cates is as bad as Aaron, in fact, maybe even worse with how bad he writes characters - and how practically every story he writes is bad and... Well, rather unoriginal.

But I would rather not go on another Cates rant here, so we should probably focus back on the thread.

 

[CosmicWreck]

Well, to be fair, that is very typical behaviour for Marvel writers, which is why we have such ongoing extreme problems with scaling the verse properly

Eh, the street levels look good at least. It's just the high and god tiers that need revision from what I've seen.

In which case the issues you do have usually comes from having scaling prioritizing over feats. Island level to Galaxy level should be a range. Not a limit. Characters should be able to fall between them if they have their own feats, or at least be given a likely far higher.

 

[The_Impress]

Please elaborate.

Speaks for themselves lol, if he goes on about how his narrative isn't making sense from a powerscaling perspective, and it REALLY doesn't, we just not use it.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you, but I have disabled my Twitter access. It addicts me (and most others) to getting upset in general. Does anybody have screencaptures please?

 

[Confluctor]

 

[The_Impress]

And like, ignore Cates himself for a second, if a writer goes "I don't care about powerscaling I do whatever I want", we just don't consider their shit, no matter what their writing skill may be.

This is the level of shit being asked to be listed on the file.

 

[Antvasima]

Confluctor:

Thank you. That fits with what I have been trying to explain all along about Marvel writers' general attitude to storytelling that makes sense in terms of power levels, but some people still seem to be in denial about it.