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are you people so desperate and want Gilgamesh to win that bad? using Ren's weaker form just so Gilgamesh wins. you're beyond pathetic. Ren is at least FTL even at base form. you can't make him slower or Gilgamesh faster by equalizing speed. that's ridiculous. some comments in the thread are hilarious. "Gilgamesh has conceptual weapons blah blah blah" while Ren has resistance to conseptual attacks even in base form. on the other hand Ren can do conseptual damage and Gilgamesh doesn't have resistance to conseptual attacks. oops. Ren's final form in Dies Irae is 1-A(in Kajiri Kamui Kagura he gets stronger as Tenma Yato) so he will beat Gilgamesh and Akemi without the slightest effort