ShakeResounding
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It's the same reason why they don't have the same AP as the games, either.
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Removing Surge's statements and upgrading speed (Sonic IDW)
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ShakeResounding
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Oh I never said it but I agree with the removal of the statement
Nullflowerblush
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What, we can just pick and choose what elements of the games are completely canon and which are purely background information?
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The background elements of the games being canon to IDW has been already explained before, although I need to say that the series seems to be going to a unification of all the recent medias other than the Live action movies, with all the works being stated to take place on the same universe, or at least close enough of being the same.
Ian said that is still something that they will make it clear in the future, but by going of Iizuka's interview all of the recent Sonics are the same Sonic and all those works take place in the same world.
If I were to try to make sense of this, it's clear that Ian works on "his notion of Sonic", of course, he needs to follow SEGA's ideas for the characters, but he can limit the scope of the adventures to fit the story he wants to tell (That are best city-level stories with maybe a planet level epic finale), if he needs to borrow something from the greater canon to explain something, he, of course, will, that is how he explained Sonic Man being fast enough to move in stopped time saying that Sonic could do the same and make time move again in Generations.
On Ian's podcast it's very clear that there are no real limits to what they can do, but they have their preferences, and Sonic will be as fast as it needs to a story to be good, with for Ian, is mostly just Mach 1 (The relativistic speed feat is exactly from a comic that Ian didn't write IIRC). I would say that it's similar to how Starline explained the Chaos Emeralds being "chaotic" and having no set power level, so similarly Sonic will be as fast as needed for the story, and Ian's stories that isn't really that fast.
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Agreed to all overall changes and apologies for the confusion earlier
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So this is an upgrade thread now? Agree.
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ngl i feel like sonic shouldve already have been ftl even before this thread
like he was clearly still outpacing someone who we considered moving at exactly light speed, does that not warrant ftl???
like he was clearly still outpacing someone who we considered moving at exactly light speed, does that not warrant ftl???
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i know, im talking about before we all thought that
like currently on the profile sonic is SoL for those reasons even though he basically outpaced someone who we considered was moving at 299,792,458 m/s
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I get the Wisp scaling though this would only apply for Surge with the "Dynamo Cage" right? Wouldnt it contradict what Ian just said about her not being SoL, The only difference between her in the issue where she makes the SoL statement and her now that would explain the increase in speed is the Dynamo Cage
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TioKill
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Sonic can keep up with her, and had several statements where he surpasses the SoL.
Ian thinks IDW and Game Sonic is Mach 1. He just discredited the line from a character he has some authority over.
What Ian thinks outside his field of authority is worthless.
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It should be noted in the issue where Surge reacts to the Cyan wisp and Sonic barely keeps up with her, on top of her being massively amped with hyper-go-on (as we already know via the dynamo cage) Sonic is in a weaken state thanks to his injured leg.
It's cute how the writers have to repeatedly cripple the MC in order to have any stakes in the story, even tho we already know the game characters have Sega approved platinum level plot armour lol!
Overall I agree with the proposals with the CRT.
Yet he made an ill Sonic do this. Funny enough Sonic has been temporary nerfed on four separate occasions in IDW (infected in the Metal Virus arc, amnesia in the Metal Virus epilogue, injured leg in the Imposter arc and a sprained ankle in the Scrapnik mini series).
Overall I agree with the proposals with the CRT.
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sure let's just do it
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should we upgrade super sonic to low 2-c too?
Nullflowerblush
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Sonic has a single Relativistic+ feat, backed up by a gazillion of Hypersonic and High Hypersonic calculations. Hell, Super Sonic and Silver moving at barely above baseline FTL speeds around the planet is considered a feat of great effort.
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Most his Hypersonic feats are extremely casual, or are in situations where Sonic is nearly exhausted, such as his High Hypersonic feat.
He has consistently been stated to hold back his true speed, and when he finally states to use his max speed, he performs a Rel+ feat, which is only a Rel+ feat if we assume the bare minimum, it's likely far faster than that.
Now we have the feat, Cyan Wisp Surge being "outran" by Sonic, Surge reacting to Cyan Wisp, on top of his game statements of being FTL.
FTL is beyond fair here, Null.
We can't even see the full scope of the feat, first of all. Second, this doesn't outweigh the evidence at all.
Nullflowerblush
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When is this statement exactly? Sonic declares that he was "experimenting" with the laws of the maze when he began running, and when he did go "faster", he broke into a burst sprint to push Amy's Piko-Piko Hammer into a wall.
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There’s nothing here in this panel implying it was great effort, it was the Warp Topaz not being able to handle the stress it was being put under and they having to go even faster as a consequence?
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I agree with FTL Sonic and removing Surge’s claim. Let’s try to grab more staff input
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Nullflowerblush
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Sonic and Silver were both very explicitly pushing their limits while expunging the Metal Virus. Besides, "we're kicking it into Super Sonic speed!" suggests that the two were going beyond their usual speeds; ergo, "great effort". Their urgency further substantiates this.
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I guess these changes seem fine.
Kirbonic_Pikmin
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They're pushing their limits because they're specifically pulling out the individual metal virus cells out of every living being in the planet, nothing about their speed. The fact they can go even faster after this while already pushing their limits shows that speed isn't what they're struggling with. Their urgency is due to them not knowing how long the Warp Topaz has before its overloaded.
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Looks fine.
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In specific, Ian did say that even for Super Forms they might have taken a lot of time to do that and in regards to speed, they wouldn't be going fast exactly because he doesn't want even Super forms to be able to circle the globe in 60 seconds or anything at that level (I guess if sonic is mach 1 for him, maybe super forms are mach 5 or something like that). But I think that people are already not accepting his word for things like this.
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I agree, he thought about that when someone asked if the Super Forms needed rings like the games and he said yes, but the way it was portrayed in the comics would imply that the Super forms did everything in less than 60 seconds, so "think that Super Silver grabbed rings with his abilities while they circled the globe". I guess that Ian just doesn't want Sonic to be faster than Mach 1 at all costs, even as Super Forms.
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Go ahead.
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