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Removing Surge's statements and upgrading speed (Sonic IDW)

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TioKill

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Hey guys. So, today I will be downgrading the Sonic IDW's Mid Tiers to Relativistic+. The reason is quite simple, actually.

EDIT: This is now an upgrade/justification replacement thread.


Surge said Sonic​
"couldn't keep up with her Speed of Light"​
. And that very arrogant line is validated due to a supporting feat performed by Sonic at​
0.603c​
, thus making it sufficient to upgrade them to SoL.​

The problem is, it has been debunked by the writers already. Please refer to this clip.

"In Issue 50, Surge told Sonic he couldn't keep up with her speed of light but he does. Are they truly moving at SoL?"

Ian: "...? No, she's arrogant."

He then goes on an explanation on how Surge does not even know or comprehend how fast light is. Ian is Surge's creator, and Sonic IDW'S writer. He said, without any room for doubt, that Surge's line came from a place of arrogance, and that she is ignorant about the speed of light.

The line should be removed from the profiles.



New justifications and upgrade​
Surge actually reacted to the laser wisp, Sonic could keep up with her, even though they canonically are stated to be lightspeed in the games, which are canon to the comics. Furthermore, Sonic stated he greatly surpasses the speed of light in the DS version of Sonic Colors, also canonical to the IDW comics. Sonic is also faster than a Cyan Wisp.

Thus, given how feats are around this level in the comics, this should justify an upgrade to FTL.
 
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I mean we discussed the in the discussed thread and like everyone disagreed with you, you're also completely ignoring the wisp scaling stuff too but I'll wait for others to give more input here


Also @Theuser789 I believe so
 
Theuser789 said:
Isn't asking author questions for the purpose of a CRT against the rules?
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Yes, VERY much so. As for this CRT, disagree and I actually think the Mid-Tiers should be upgraded.

Surge and Sonic can both react to Whisper's Cyan Wisp as it darts its way over to Sonic. To top it all off, Surge then tags the Cyan-empowered Sonic.

Tie this in with Sonic's allusion to Colors taking place, where Sonic caught a Cyan Wisp, and the Mid-Tiers should be bumped up to FTL. Super Forms and equivalents get "At least FTL, likely far higher".

So much for Flynn's statements, right? 😂
 
ShakeResounding said:
Yes, VERY much so. As for this CRT, disagree and I actually think the Mid-Tiers should be upgraded.

Surge and Sonic can both react to Whisper's Cyan Wisp as it darts its way over to Sonic. To top it all off, Surge then tags the Cyan-empowered Sonic.

Tie this in with Sonic's allusion to Colors taking place, where Sonic caught a Cyan Wisp, and the Mid-Tiers should be bumped up to FTL. Super Forms and equivalents get "At least FTL, likely far higher".

So much for Flynn's statements, right? 😂
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Upload the scans to imgur discord scans aren't allowed I believe plus they're broken links for me😭😭

Also yeah I once again disagree with this
 
TioKill said:
Also, you're welcomed to suggest new motives for Lightspeed, but don't try to defend this line any further, save us the headache.
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People are actually ******* blind.

I don't give a flying ****, the line should be removed and substituted for the new evidence.
 
Dalesean027 said:
I mean we discussed the in the discussed thread and like everyone disagreed with you, you're also completely ignoring the wisp scaling stuff too but I'll wait for others to give more input here


Also @Theuser789 I believe so
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Again, I don't give a flying ****. The line should not be used, substitute it for literally anything else regardless of the rating. No need to act like pricks because you have different valid reasons to keep or upgrade the ratings. The main purpose was to remove the line anyway
 
ShakeResounding said:
Yes, VERY much so. As for this CRT, disagree and I actually think the Mid-Tiers should be upgraded.

Surge and Sonic can both react to Whisper's Cyan Wisp as it darts its way over to Sonic. To top it all off, Surge then tags the Cyan-empowered Sonic.

Tie this in with Sonic's allusion to Colors taking place, where Sonic caught a Cyan Wisp, and the Mid-Tiers should be bumped up to FTL. Super Forms and equivalents get "At least FTL, likely far higher".

So much for Flynn's statements, right? 😂
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Prick behavior aside. I'm adding this to the OP.
 
TioKill said:
People are actually ******* blind.

I don't give a flying ****, the line should be removed and substituted for the new evidence.
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Nah you're too pressed to still be wrong the line can be removed but that's besides the point you're just inherently wrong in saying what the reason for lightspeed in IDW is the statement could go but wisp scaling and such still exist and is also why lightspeed exist

You're literally the only person cursing and being a dipshit for nothing 💀💀
 
ShakeResounding said:
Yes, VERY much so. As for this CRT, disagree and I actually think the Mid-Tiers should be upgraded.

Surge and Sonic can both react to Whisper's Cyan Wisp as it darts its way over to Sonic. To top it all off, Surge then tags the Cyan-empowered Sonic.

Tie this in with Sonic's allusion to Colors taking place, where Sonic caught a Cyan Wisp, and the Mid-Tiers should be bumped up to FTL. Super Forms and equivalents get "At least FTL, likely far higher".

So much for Flynn's statements, right? 😂
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I love when downgrade threads get wrapped around and turned into upgrade threads.

I agree with this.

The speed of light line can be removed from the justifications tho.
 
CurrySenpai said:
Biiiiiiiiiiig disagree.
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It's too bad you have to give an actual reason to disagree.

Dalesean027 said:
Nah you're too pressed to still be wrong the line can be removed but that's besides the point you're just inherently wrong in saying what the reason for lightspeed in IDW is the statement could go but wisp scaling and such still exist and is also why lightspeed exist
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The **** you're on about? My stance is that the line is invalid.
It ******* is.

I LITERALLY WELCOMED FURTHER EVIDENCE FOR LIGHTSPEED.
Dalesean027 said:
You're literally the only person cursing and being a dipshit for nothing 💀💀
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ShakeResounding said:
Speaking of prick behavior-

Hostility gets you nowhere, and I've seen a lot coming from you on the wiki. Might wanna cool it
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Both of you can kiss the greenest part of my ass. (Which is none, I'm no Piccolo)
 
Nullflowerblush said:
There does not appear to be any rules against the act. Besides, the question seems fairly innocuous.
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Think that came up in ben 10 revisions as well with people asking power scaling questions on like twitter and shit to get responses from WoG to use in CRTs

I don't think that's allowed
 
ShakeResounding said:
Tie this in with Sonic's allusion to Colors taking place, where Sonic caught a Cyan Wisp, and the Mid-Tiers should be bumped up to FTL. Super Forms and equivalents get "At least FTL, likely far higher".
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You just forgot to explain why that's FTL rather than SoL too.
 
TioKill said:
The **** you're on about? My stance is that the line is invalid.
It ******* is.
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TioKill said:
Why is it currently SoL anyway?​
That's because Surge said Sonic "couldn't keep up with her Speed of Light". And that very arrogant line is validated due to a supporting feat performed by Sonic at 0.603c, thus making it sufficient to upgrade them to SoL.
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Funny that when you literally are saying that statement is the sole main reason for lightspeed which as you've been told is incorrect due to wisp scaling
TioKill said:
I LITERALLY WELCOMED FURTHER EVIDENCE FOR LIGHTSPEED.
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We're trying to let you know that it already exist and is accepted we scale with Wisp as well my guy so there isn't more needed this is pointless lightspeed isn't tired down to surges statement to begin with as you've said and the statement can be removed as we've all agreed on just fix your premise and maybe get your head out of your ass and chill kay?
 
Theuser789 said:
I could swear asking authors powerscaling questions for the purposes of a CRT was against the rules...
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I’m pretty sure that intentionally asking questions for the purposes of CRT are against the rules, but I’m not sure if an unrelated question asked by someone else happening to be used in a CRT is, tho
 
Theuser789 said:
I could swear asking authors powerscaling questions for the purposes of a CRT was against the rules...
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That was never the case,
Dalesean027 said:
Funny that when you literally are saying that statement is the sole main reason for lightspeed which as you've been told is incorrect due to wisp scaling
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It is. Wisp scalings are not applied. They will be, through this thread.
Dalesean027 said:
We're trying to let you know that it already exist and is accepted we scale with Wisp as well my guy so there isn't more needed this is pointless lightspeed isn't tired down to surges statement to begin with as you've said and the statement can be removed as we've all agreed on just fix your premise and maybe get your head out of your ass and chill kay?
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The wisp scaling wasn't used at the time because the issue wasn't released at the time. Currently, in the profiles, officially, we only use Surge's statement. The thread's only trying to remove Surge's line entirely, and it will do just that regardless of the course of action.
 
Kirbonic_Pikmin said:
Pretty sure they’ve shown FTL feats and the Cyan Wisp displays all the traits of a light speed laser iirc
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Reacting to lightspeed depends heavily on how close it was. Surge's reaction speed might not be FTL, or even Rel+ (SoL is still guaranteed since she's powered by it and Sonic can keep up).

Also, we don't cross-scale with the games IIRC, so idk.
 
ShakeResounding said:
Cyan Wisps are Speed of Light (Mav will ninja me, I'm on mobile). In Colors, which is canon to IDW, he also refers to the Cyan Wisp as being almost as fast as him after he catches up to it.

Edit: If the link is dead then my b lol
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If we can use this kind of logic, why wasn't Sonic FTL before, he literally states to be so in the DS version?
 
TioKill said:
If we can use this kind of logic, why wasn't Sonic FTL before, he literally states to be so in the DS version?
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Because at the time, he had no feats shown to back it up. He consistently performed feats in the Supersonic to MHS range (albeit usually casual)
 
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