Reinhard Heydrich Vs The Emperor of Mankind

[Matthew_Schroeder]

The Best of Gold Vs The Golden Emperor

Low 4-C Reinhard Vs 4-A Emperor.

Speed Equalized. No prep time or prior knowledge.

Battlefield: Continent of Europe Europa. Reinhard start in Berlim, Emperor in Rome.

Depending if people find this unfair, Reinhard may have the entire LDO with him.

 

[BreloomFanboy]

Does The Emperor have a counter to concept and nonexistence manipulation?

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

He fights against Concept Manipulators who can do that all the time.

 

[BreloomFanboy]

Ok then I guess he can potentially win.

 

[BreloomFanboy]

Also if he fought concept users before someone should add a possible resistance to concept manipulation to the Emperor's profile.

 

[HimikoWerckmeister]

How does the Emperor's time stop work? If its similiar to Ren's Res Novae my vote goes to the Emperor since from the looks of his profile he can stop Nilheimr Fenriswolf shutting Reinhard's chances of speed blitzing him. Further has The Emperor dealt with enemies with Low Godly Regenerationn? If not the Emporer is up for some tough fighting.

Verdict: My vote goes to The Emperor if his timestop is similiar to Ren's Res Novae and he can deal with Reinhard's Regenerationn.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

It slows down time. If I'm not mistaken, there was a guy in 40K who was capable of replicating said skill on a vastly inferior level, and he perceived Lightspeed Lasers as being 100% static in place.

The Emperor can counter Mid-Godly Regen, as he can "Erase someone from every plane / level of existence, rendering them completely non-existent".

The question is if Longinus would kill The Emperor.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Multisolar VS Small Star level? Empra Godstomps.

 

[HimikoWerckmeister]

@Loyalservant, in our case Reinhard has the hax to make up for the DC gap so this match is not a stomp match at all.

@Matt in our case, my vote goes to the Emperor at very high difficulty.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Pretty sure Empra is equal in hax so this comes down to AP

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

It's Emperor Vs LDO, and Longinus might make it even.

 

[Trexalfa29]

Is Kemono-dono's Apoptosis' inmortality working here? If so, there's no damn way the Emperor will kill him.

Also, he has also shown a vast resistance against mental attacks, such as Lui's passive mind rape darkness aura.

And correction, it is Emperor vs Gladsheimr , not just the LDO.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Emperor can mind-attack untold trillions of people.

 

[Trexalfa29]

Reinhard tanked a mind attack with the weight of the darkness of at least decillions of Recurrences (pretty sure there would be a lot more), from the Big Bang to the time the game takes places. He didn't even flinch, what's more, he found Methuselah to be amusing and was already thinking of loving (aka wrecking) him.

 

[Fabtastic_Glasses]

Gotta love the way Beast "loves" something

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

@Trex

I'm not including the whole legion. Only the LDO members.

 

[Trexalfa29]

Then that's a nerf. Because having his whole Legion is one of Reinhard's trademark powers. It's his Briah for hell's sake.

 

[FateAlbane]

I'll vote for the Emperor on this one for reasons above. Not much to add, really, since most people talked about the reasons I could give already.

 

[BreloomFanboy]

@Matthew Schroeder

So unless the Warhammer profiles need to be updated, nobody in the verse (not even the Chaos Gods) has concept manipulation.

You also didn't address Emperor's counter to Non-Existence manipulation.

 

[FateAlbane]

My following comment is not regarding the match (or rather, it regards the match but not who wins or loses it), so don't take it as a point for the Emperor or Reinhard, but...

Breloom, you seem to commit a certain mistake in this assumption I frequently see you making in threads.

A character does not need a perfect counter for everything his opponent may throw at him in order to win a match.

A match where a character has a counter for everything his opponent has and because of that has no way of losing is texbook definition of stomp. In every thread I see you, you don't seem to be convinced that one char wins or loses unless he or she literally has no way of being affected by anything the opponent has on their arsenal.

If either Reinhard or the God Emperor could go "LOLnope" or had something like a 100% success" counter for any and all abilities, this would be stomp for one side or another.

This is why we have the words "advantage" and "disadvantage". A character does not win based on "He can counter everything the other one throws at him for sure", we usually vote based on "This character has more chances of winning because x, or y, or z(meaning: despite the other one having the means to affect or kill him, his advantages are better)".

Please understand that If one side or another needed counters for everything in order to win, every single match in this site would either be stomp or Inconclusive. Otherwise we could go "There's no true counter that is certain to work against Reality Warping and both sides have it, so Inconclusive it is."

 

[FateAlbane]

In other words: You think the Emperor has no Counter for Non-Existence and think Reinhard wins via that? Sure, if no one proves you wrong, Vote Reinhard.

But going "The Emperor NEEDS a counter for Non-Existence if he wants to win." is silly.

Edit: Finally, Reality Warping in itself is a swiss army knife of a power, so on the GEoM's level it pretty much can work not only as an equal hax against Reinhard's own RW but also as an equal hax against his Non-Existence manip. And while on topic, if GEoM has feats of using RW on the level of his tier, I think it's safe to assume that his RW might be even more potent than the one the Reinhard on this match can use. Otherwise we'd get stuff like "Adam Conover has Reality Warping, so he can counter a Tier 3 Reality Warper."

But that's just part of my view on things. Not trying to change anyone's vote.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

FateAlbane deserves a hug for such an amazing post.

 

[EliminatorVenom]

@Matthew

Seconded.

 

[EliminatorVenom]

Now, about this match...

Speed equalized makes this a far more interesting fight than it'd be normally. However, to be completely honest, the entirety of the LDO - except for Machina - is quite irrelevant to the Emperor. I've looked at some of Emps's feats, and combining them with some psychic powers that I've seen, it is a pretty safe bet that, on the very least, the whole LDO would be rendered useless with a thought.

Seal Warp Breach is a psychic power that allows psykers to sever the ties of daemons to the Warp. I don't know if that is the case, but maybe the Emperor could use it to sever the connection between the LDO and Reinhard? And after so, simply throwing them into the Warp? If no, then a massive mind & soul attack should suffice.

Now, the true problem is Longinus. I am fairly sure that Emps's hax capabilities >>> Reinhard's haxxy powers. The Emperor has demonstrated the ability to fully stop time:

"Then time stopped and a blinding light filled the chamber.

Horus felt warm honey flow through him, and he turned towards the source of the light: a shimmering golden giant of unimaginable majesty and beauty. […]

Horus reached out towards the golden warrior as he turned his sad gaze to the incubation tanks held motionless above him, weighing the consequences of future events in the blink of an eye.

Horus could see the decision in the figure's wondrous eyes and shouted 'No!'

The figure turned from him and time snapped back into its prescribed stream."

So, Reinhard can't lolblitzstomp with Niflheimr and Midgadr. Also, the Emperor can (Temporarily, on the very least) remove Reinhard's powers through some psychic powers, or simply mind/soul crush him.

The iffy thing is Longinus.

Longinuslanze will wreck Emps if it hits. He has dealt with concept manipulators before, of course, but nothing really like Longinus. I'm pretty sure the Emperor can't directly manipulate concepts on the Matterium. However, what he ca do is to use his other powers to beat Reinhard before he kills the Emperor. Precognition + mind/soul attack or suggestion = Reinhard unable to use Longinuslanze. And without Longinuslanze, honestly, there is nothing he can do to stop the Emperor stomping him, aside of a lucky hit with Machina's Briah.

I vote the Emperor with some difficulty.

 

[Primaris_Brian]

Just came here to followed the Thread... because this seems too awesome to be missed.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Anyone care to explain how Apoptasis will save Reinhard from being erased at all existing levels and planes of existence?

 

[Sage_God_Slayer]

Anyone care to explain how Apoptasis will save Reinhard from being erased at all existing levels and planes of existence?

Because it means Snakes needs to die for Reinhard to actual die. Both continue to exist once their counterpart exists iirc.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

This seems like a thing that shouldn't be included in a Vs.Matchup, as it would mean that the only way to defeat Reinhard by himself in his Base Form is to kill a 1-A being. Obviously I'm no including Apoptasis as that is absolutely unfair and should be kept inside the Verse only.

 

[Reppuzan]

@Matt

Not voting, but I'd like to dispute that claim myself. In the alternate timeline of Kamui Kajiri Kagura, Reinhard is actually the first to go down in the battle against Hajun, while Mercurius followed soon afterward.

Thus it's implausible to believe that Mercurius needs to die for Reinhard to fall.

 

[Sage_God_Slayer]

Well I'm not entirely sure so ask Trex but I'm pretty sure it was because of the difference of Taikyoku level between Hajun and the others which is why he could just lolnope their laws and Reinhard as Apoptosis and oneshot him. Though in one scenario Mercurius did reset the multiverse before Reinhard even had time to regenerate with his Apoptosis' inmortality if it was even still in effect due to Hajun being the one to kill him. So either scenario Reinhard didn't exactly have time to regenerate because how fast Hajun lolstomped them/Mercurius resetting everything.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

In either case it does not apply to this matchup in any way. It's unfair.

 

[Sage_God_Slayer]

In either case it does not apply to this matchup in any way. It's unfair.

Indeed.

Ontopic I have to say Reinhard can have this at high difficulty. While GEOM has the DC and Dura Reinhard has the LDO who can keep fighting GEOM and keeping him distracted while Reinhard use Longinuslanze to gets hits on GEOM to kill him. Reinhard has greater mental capacity because of the amount of souls he has and Soul Armor will give Reinhard enough time to get Longinuslanze off. Though if GEOM can destroy the Soul Armor and kill someone with the level of regen Reinhard has they he can win with high difficulty once he doesn't let Longinuslanze touch him which is extremely hard since it will follow him while being faster than him.

 

[Fabtastic_Glasses]

Not voting coz i know nothing about GEoM. But Longinus still has its distance ignoring property even though the speed is equalized which mean Schreiber's power is basically nonexistance in this match. And Longinus still has Eleonore's and Machina's power which make it into a one-shotting spear that couldn't miss its target. So, make of that what you will.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

@Fab

The most important feat you need to know about the Emperor:

"Seizing the chance he had been given, the Emperor bent low and surged upwards with his bluesteel sword extended. The tip ripped into the Mech-Warlord's belly and burst from its back in a shower of sparks.

'Now you die,' said the Emperor, and ripped his blade up.

It was an awful, agonising, mortal wound. Electrical fire vented from hideous metal organs within the wreckage of the greenskin's body. It was a murderous wound that not even a beast of such unimaginable proportions could take and live.

Yet that was not the worst of it.

Horus felt the build up of colossal psychic energies and shielded his eyes as a furious light built within the Emperor. Power like nothing he had ever seen his father wield, or even suspected he possessed. All consuming, all powerful, it was the power to extinguish life in every sphere of its existence. Physical flesh turned to ash before it and what ancient faiths had once called a soul was burned out of existence, never to cohere again.

Nothing would ever remain of he who suffered such a fate. Their body and soul would pass from the finite energy of the universe, to fade into memory and have all that they were wiped from the canvas of existence. This was as complete a death as it was possible to suffer."

Oh, and he did this while at death's door.

 

[Sage_God_Slayer]

Damn that's impressive well now I am also not sure

 

[BreloomFanboy]

Breloom, you seem to commit a certain mistake in this assumption I frequently see you making in threads.

A character does not need a perfect counter for everything his opponent may throw at him in order to win a match.

A match where a character has a counter for everything his opponent has and because of that has no way of losing is texbook definition of stomp. In every thread I see you, you don't seem to be convinced that one char wins or loses unless he or she literally has no way of being affected by anything the opponent has on their arsenal.

Then I suppose this match is a stomp. It's not my fault the Emperor doesn't have a counter to Concept or Void manipulation. Especially given how potent those two abilities are.

I'm not sure why you're making this so laborious. This should be simple, I mean it's a fictional matchup between two fictional characters. I don't believe there should be certain requirements to give your opinion about a VS match.

 

[TISSG7Redgrave]

Mat you just made a glorious war of emperors lol Galactic emperor (just me thinking of a title for him KEK) vs Emperor of destruction the match itself i'll get back to it later

edit: Btw Mat Reinhard going Briah is automatically him getting his entire mid-godly spamming einhejars at his disposal all at once even the LDO members iirc

 

[Primaris_Brian]

Rather than said Reinhard win via Void or Concept manipulation, It's better to discuss what does his Void or Concept manipulation do and how emprah can or cannot negate that since one of his conceptually ability to move faster than his opponet is can be counter by time stop.

 

[FateAlbane]

Then I suppose this match is a stomp. It's not my fault the Emperor doesn't have a counter to Concept or Void manipulation. Especially given how potent those two abilities are.

I'm not sure why you're making this so laborious. This should be simple, I mean it's a fictional matchup between two fictional characters. I don't believe there should be certain requirements to give your opinion about a VS match.

I do, when you keep ignoring other people's arguments.

Or when you make moot points.

Or when you seem to be unable to understand that Reality Warping is also a counter for Non-Existence. Either this or you think that the match goes like this:

Reinhard uses RW >> Emperor uses RW

Reinhard uses Non-Existence >> Emperor: OH NO, I just used Reality Warping a moment ago, my God, I can't use it again to Counter Non Existence or Conceptual Manip DESPITE my Reality Warping being of such a High Level, good lord why, I can't use the same power twice, NOOOO!

 

[FateAlbane]

@Breloom Like, I have to make it laborious when you fail to understand the simplest things about high level matches such as this one, with all due respect.