Regular Show - Talking About a Cosmic Sword

[Accelerated_Evolution]

Sometime ago @Jason_Courne and @Mr. Bambu had a small discussion regarding this feat of the Regular Show, which depicts a sword travelling from Jupiter to Earth at extremely fast speeds

The discussion was centered towards which timeframe should be the most accurate to use, Bambu argued that the speed which the blade moved across Jupiter should be used (Which gives the result of 1.4c), while Jason argued that the timeframe of 5 to 1 second should be used (Which gives results of 476c to 2381c).

There wasn't a conclusion on the calc itself, and since myself was the one who asked for Jason to calculate the feat and had a small conversation with Bambu about that, i am creating this thread to see what other people think

Mr. Bambu's Argument
Directly quoting Bambu:

We don't need to assume timeframes or speeds. We can see its speed by scaling it to Jupiter. How fast it moves in comparison. There's no need for assumptions.

Later, when i commented with him about that, he also said this:

Accelerated Evolution:
What i meant is: Your logic is fine calc-wise, my problem is that such timeframe doesn't seems to be pratical given that the sword would take half a hour to go from Jupiter to Earth, despite the in-show context needing it to cross the distance in way faster speeds

Mr. Bambu:
I see. I would just clock that up to it being a cartoon and not taking that sort of thing seriously, really- if I were a writer, I'd just say the planets are actually closer together. We can see one thing (the speed), we don't know the other.

So these are his concerns

Arguments for the 5 to 1 Second timeframe
It mainly revolves around the scene being intended to happen very fast, as you can see just going by the looks of it.

In the context, the Park Crew called for the Galaxy Blade in order to end once and for all their fight with the Geese on a single and quick attack by destroying the contract the latter wanted to make with them, due to that, It wouldn't make sense narratively for them to wait almost 30 minutes (Time it would take for the Sword to travel between Jupiter and Earth while moving at 1.4c) in order to finally have access for the sword since they are in the middle of a serious fight.

Also, considering the final form of the Baby Ducks could one-shot the weakened version of Lunar Goosowary X at any moment due to the sheer power difference between them, why it would wait 30 minutes for the sword to come, for just then destroy it's opponent? It implies that they were doing literally nothing while waiting the sword to come. If the sword came at extremely fast-speeds, they wouldn't have waited any significant amount of time and the scene would make more sense.

Anyway, that's my view on the topic at least, i will let you guys discuss it better below.

NOTE: For any staff that may agree with the second proposal, it is recommended to specify if the 5 or 1 second timeframe should be used

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Agree with the MFTL+ rating:

Agree with the MFTL rating: @Psychomaster35

Agree with the FTL rating: @Mr. Bambu

Neutral:

 

[Psychomaster35]

Given how the Businessmen's mech wasn't damaged that much, the sword would've had to travel quickly or else the Businessmen would've had time to react as opposed to staying in one place within those supposed 30 minutes. So, given how the scene is portrayed to have happened very quickly, I agree with using MFTL scaling.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

As I said before. Assuming the speed is not only unnecessary, it's downright incorrect. We can literally see how fast it is moving.

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

As I said before. Assuming the speed is not only unnecessary, it's downright incorrect. We can literally see how fast it is moving.

As i pointed above, the context heavily implies (To not say that it objectively shows) that it is illogical for the sword to take 30 minutes to travel from Jupiter to Earth

The cinematic time thing is just a restriction imposed by a specific scene that has no real effects on the battle's outcome besides showing the Galaxy Blade's power when it cuts through Jupiter

Regardless, i've counted your vote

 

[Mr. Bambu]

It's a cartoon. Things are expected to be illogical.

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

This is not really an answer, especially if the actual context implies a way shorter timeframe that makes the scene logical

 

[Mr. Bambu]

This is not really an answer, especially if the actual context implies a way shorter timeframe that makes the scene logical

It is, in fact, an answer. The provided argument is assuming a speed it blatantly doesn't move at- because we can see, precisely, how fast it moves. We're assuming something shown explicitly on screen is incorrect for no reason other than that it doesn't make sense, only to then rely on something that doesn't make sense either, but isn't shown on screen.

Just use the displayed speed. It's straightforward, requires no arbitrary assumptions.

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

You're acting as if my opinion about the feat isn't supported by anything, even though the narrative itself and the context of the series suggest that the sword's speed is much faster than the cinematic time you propose is the accurate version (which, you know, is still cinematic time, which doesn't necessarily mean a 100% accurate version of the intended sword speed, especially if the narrative contradicts it).

Honestly, I think it would be better if you explained why the points I made in the first post aren't as supposedly valid as they seem, so that cinematic time was the "correct option" rather than what the narrative, as shown, demonstrates.

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In any case, it would be better if you, or any other mod who sees this, to contact other CGMs, so they can also give their opinions and the discussion ins't lmited by the opinion of only 3 members

 

[Mr. Bambu]

You're acting as if my opinion about the feat isn't supported by anything, even though the narrative itself and the context of the series suggest that the sword's speed is much faster than the cinematic time you propose is the accurate version (which, you know, is still cinematic time, which doesn't necessarily mean a 100% accurate version of the intended sword speed, especially if the narrative contradicts it).

Honestly, I think it would be better if you explained why the points I made in the first post aren't as supposedly valid as they seem, so that cinematic time was the "correct option" rather than what the narrative, as shown, demonstrates.

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In any case, it would be better if you, or any other mod who sees this, to contact other CGMs, so they can also give their opinions and the discussion ins't lmited by the opinion of only 3 members

This isn't what cinematic time means. Cinematic time refers to time passed between shots, meaning more time can pass than what is shown on screen.

I'm not acting as though your interpretation isn't supported by anything. I actually pointed out exactly what it is supported by, I'm just pointing out, with that, the error in that line of thinking- that you're favoring one line of thought over another on the basis that "well the other doesn't make any sense", when neither make any sense, but one is shown directly on screen. One line of thinking has more evidence to go with it.

My interpretation assumes something unseen (the solar system) is different than it is in the real world, because we see one factor of the feat in certainty (the speed of the object). Your interpretation assumes this singular factor we see, is wrong, based on the unseen element. That's where we diverge. The latter interpretation has little ground to stand on. This isn't the "narrative" contradicting my point, it's a cartoon that doesn't intrinsically follow real world conventions (obviously, but it bears mentioning) like the distance between planets. If we can avoid arbitrary assumptions, we tend to do so.

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

Sorry for taking so much time to answer, haven't had much free time this week

This isn't what cinematic time means. Cinematic time refers to time passed between shots, meaning more time can pass than what is shown on screen.

I admit i was wrong while using the term, have been a long time without directly arguing a similar topic and had forget what it meant, sorry for that

Although, you seem to have gotten that i meant the difference between the time that's represented on the screen and the actual speed of the object, so i hope this doesn't make you confused.

I'm not acting as though your interpretation isn't supported by anything. I actually pointed out exactly what it is supported by

Alright

I'm just pointing out, with that, the error in that line of thinking- that you're favoring one line of thought over another on the basis that "well the other doesn't make any sense", when neither make any sense, but one is shown directly on screen. One line of thinking has more evidence to go with it.

When i talk about "sense", i mean the overall narrative context that's behind the scene, which, through my original post, i argue that implies my point of the view to be the most accurate

Regarding your line of thinking having "more evidence", i think my above comment explains my thoughts on this very well:

It (Your line of thinking) is just a restriction imposed by a specific scene that has no real effects on the battle's outcome besides showing the Galaxy Blade's power when it cuts through Jupiter

On a case like this, i think the scene's overall intent is more important than a mere moment that has no real impact on the battle whatsoever

My interpretation assumes something unseen (the solar system) is different than it is in the real world, because we see one factor of the feat in certainty (the speed of the object). Your interpretation assumes this singular factor we see, is wrong, based on the unseen element. That's where we diverge. The latter interpretation has little ground to stand on. This isn't the "narrative" contradicting my point, it's a cartoon that doesn't intrinsically follow real world conventions (obviously, but it bears mentioning) like the distance between planets. If we can avoid arbitrary assumptions, we tend to do so.

I would argue your argument involves making more arbitrary assumptions (The Jupiter scene being a 100% accurate representation of the sword's actual speed + the solar system of the series being different than the one in the real world, something we don't assume as default on the wiki) than mine (Which is only based on what's presented on the context + considering the solar system size we accept as the standard one, points which i wouldn't consider arbitrary at all).

 

[Mr. Bambu]

It isn't an assumption to take what's on screen as the truth. It is an assumption of yours to say that what little objective information we are given is wrong. We don't have a reason to assume it's incorrect. I feel we're going in circles on this, but you're presenting your argument as though it is steeped in wiki tradition when it flatly isn't. Your position is absolutely taking arbitrary data points and spinning them one way over the other.

 

[Demon_Lord18]

It isn't an assumption to take what's on screen as the truth. It is an assumption of yours to say that what little objective information we are given is wrong. We don't have a reason to assume it's incorrect. I feel we're going in circles on this, but you're presenting your argument as though it is steeped in wiki tradition when it flatly isn't. Your position is absolutely taking arbitrary data points and spinning them one way over the other.

Do you think At least FTL, possibly MFTL, would be viable here?

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

I'm still planning to make my own reply to the comment btw, just didn't have any free time do so since my last response