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Regarding the SCP Canon
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Disagreed with =/= debunked my friend
And there is no reason for what they say to be taken as truth
And there is no reason for what they say to be taken as truth
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@Keeweed Yes, hitting a 4-B so hard that they are thrown across a galaxy is 4-B
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You can smack something around all you want, but if it deals no damage it's irrelevant.
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I'm going Switzerland on here (don't wanna be caught up in this crossfire), but Ever's right. Here's a perfect example of someone who takes no damage from anything but can still get ragdolled.
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Disagreed with =/= debunked my friend
Except you missed the point of the analogy entirely. Punch a basketball. Now throw it somewhere.
You'll cause no damage at all to the basketball, but you can still throw it around.
And there is no reason for what they say to be taken as truth
Except they are the owners of the site and can retcon the series with a single click, and are the ones to establish what gets accepted in the site and what doesn't.
No offense, but I have absolutely no reason to trust a forum poster over the people who actually decide what flies in the site and what SCPs and tales go to the mainlist or not.
Except you missed the point of the analogy entirely. Punch a basketball. Now throw it somewhere.
You'll cause no damage at all to the basketball, but you can still throw it around.
And there is no reason for what they say to be taken as truth
Except they are the owners of the site and can retcon the series with a single click, and are the ones to establish what gets accepted in the site and what doesn't.
No offense, but I have absolutely no reason to trust a forum poster over the people who actually decide what flies in the site and what SCPs and tales go to the mainlist or not.
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Unless Gears stated that nothing about 682 is canon unless he writes it, we should have no reason to trust people putting words in his mouth
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Said people own the site and decide what flies there
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So if the writers of DC just decided that superman never existed and declare that any instance of superman appearing anywhere is non canon other than the original comics, we'd go along with it no matter how much it would screw with the verse?
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That is a pretty huge false-equivalence.
Tales were never assuredly canon to begin with. They are just interpretations of a specific source material by fans of a SCP.
Tales were never assuredly canon to begin with. They are just interpretations of a specific source material by fans of a SCP.
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.... I´m statying Neutral for this one until a conclusion is met.
But before i do... Why is (Shrek) one of the topics ? It has no relevance whatsoever.
But before i do... Why is (Shrek) one of the topics ? It has no relevance whatsoever.
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I think the OP makes good points from what I heard of this general discussion so far (not only here btw, I've seen Azzy making some points in regards to it as well).
Siding with that.
Siding with that.
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@Kep Its not a false equivalency at all, it's the exact same thing. SCP has different writers, DC has different writers. SCP has different stories written for the same characters by different writers, DC has different stories written for the came characters by different writers. If the writers of DC just up and decided that nothing in DC was canon other than the original comic written by the person wgo created the characters, we wouldnt just up and delete everything, the same should apply here. The tales are not non-canon in the firast place. they are extended canon that expands on the characters and their abilities.
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Once again, i would appreciate it if we put this discussion on hold until me and azzy have had a chance to sit down and discuss this issue and how we should handle it.
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Kepekley, acid ignores conventional durability. Something needing to regenerate from acid doesn't mean that it has sueprhuman level durability. In fact, it says nothing about that character's durability, other than it not having acid resistance.
Also Weekly, I think the SCP-2935 event doesn't outright state that everything in that universe was killed. One interpretation of it I read is that it creates a copy of the original universe at the time without life or anomalous objects, just creating a pocket reality with the terrain of the old universe.
Also Weekly, I think the SCP-2935 event doesn't outright state that everything in that universe was killed. One interpretation of it I read is that it creates a copy of the original universe at the time without life or anomalous objects, just creating a pocket reality with the terrain of the old universe.
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also, has anyone ever noticed that, if the memetic agent the foundation uses against swann actually works, it has some stupidly powerful hax, well beyond literally any scp, even swann, since it can harm or even kill swann (if this plan even works that is) with nothing but pure mind hax.
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@Hl3 Problem is it doesnt work, they tried it in Project Thaumiel
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which one of the tales is that mentioned in? i just took a look through them and couldn't find that
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ah... well i guess thats gone out the window by virtue of the fact that there were even any more tales after that one
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did useing the agents even do anything? or was that and this conversation just a waste of time?
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5-A for devouring planets.Kepekley23 said:
Also Weekly, in case you missed my edit earlier, I think the SCP-2935 event doesn't outright state that everything in that universe was killed. One interpretation of it I read is that it creates a copy of the original universe at the time without life or anomalous objects, just creating a pocket reality with the terrain of the old universe. This gets around the weird contradiction of killing hyperversal creatures within a single universe and not other universes. Is there any particular reason the wiki goes for the "it kills everything" interpretation?
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WoG has stated that 2935 is the concept of Death itself. It even affected stars since it killed 1548.
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the issue with saying that is that while "everything just being dead" is plausible and supported by it's own description, "it's an alt universe with stuff that just looks like dead stuff" has the issue of unfalsifiablity, like saying that the universe was made 6000 y/o with all the light and shit in the right place to look like the universe is 13.7 billion y/o, it's unprovableAgnaa said:
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Kepekley Really? I thought that was just stated in the article, only WoG I saw about it was saying "There's a long answer, but the short answer is 'yes'" to whether it killed stuff like the scarlet king.
HI3 or bust Which is why generally when no answer is testably better than another, you go with the one with fewer assumptions. I don't think it makes much sense for hyperversal beings to be killed within a single universe and not be able to touch it again, especially considering some of those should have inherited precog and universe-hopping from lower down beings.
HI3 or bust Which is why generally when no answer is testably better than another, you go with the one with fewer assumptions. I don't think it makes much sense for hyperversal beings to be killed within a single universe and not be able to touch it again, especially considering some of those should have inherited precog and universe-hopping from lower down beings.
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i never said it killed hyperversal beings, the only way this could be hinted at is by it killing 682, but (although this is quite an assumption but given that 2935 was likely caused by the brothers death, this isn't out of the realm of possibility, just only a few feet from edge) i've always thought that the 2935 event somehow severed 682s connect to the LFB, killed it, and power nulled it universe bust, regen, and self-resurection.
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Well, the only confirmation I could find that it did kill people was WoG replying "yes" to a question of if it killed scarlet king (hyperversal) and "other threats too large for the foundation to contain". Other WoG comments only mention it being a thing that happens "at least globally", and involves "familiar SCPs acting in unexpected ways".
While there is no confirmation one way or the other, it seems to be implied that some hyperversals that reside on Earth (such as clef, 343, and 239) were gone as well.
While there is no confirmation one way or the other, it seems to be implied that some hyperversals that reside on Earth (such as clef, 343, and 239) were gone as well.
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i very nearly went like:
wait.... clef is hyperversal?!
wait.... clef is hyperversal?!
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he probably is if literally anything he says is true at this point, but the chances of that are questionable at best and probably didn't even exist in the first place at worst.
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@Agnaa Ive asked that this conversation be put on hold so me and Azzy can discuss this matter before anything is done
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I agree with @Weekly here. We sort of jumped the gun here when it was agreed to put this topic on hiatus a while before this thread started.
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Hold's over.
I want to say I agree heavily with what Dargoo and Matt proposed.
I want to say I agree heavily with what Dargoo and Matt proposed.
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Okay, here's what I propose.
On an old VS website my policy was to only consider interactions under these conditions as canon:
1 ) The characters and/or skips come from an already established canon with a hub, written with the full intention of having a linear narrative. (Antimemetics, Apotheosis, dado, Most of the Doomsday and Canon hubs). Basically broadcasted collaborative works.
2 ) The characters primarily exist in stories written by the same author, with stories from different authors being treated much like we do with Marvel and DC (Clef, Kondraki, etc.).
3 ) Scips should be looked at in complete isolation with some heed given to other stories written by the same author with collaborative test logs being disregarded due to how inconsistent it makes the character and how self-contradictory they can be at times. (For example, 106 has many completely different origin stories but one was treated as "more correct" in a VS thread I debated in because it was older and generally accepted. That shouldn't be allowed)
4) As posted above, profiles can have different keys for different canons as necessary.
These pages will be helpful for canons outside of the SCP Profiles. Collaborative writing projects like those here should also work.
On an old VS website my policy was to only consider interactions under these conditions as canon:
1 ) The characters and/or skips come from an already established canon with a hub, written with the full intention of having a linear narrative. (Antimemetics, Apotheosis, dado, Most of the Doomsday and Canon hubs). Basically broadcasted collaborative works.
2 ) The characters primarily exist in stories written by the same author, with stories from different authors being treated much like we do with Marvel and DC (Clef, Kondraki, etc.).
3 ) Scips should be looked at in complete isolation with some heed given to other stories written by the same author with collaborative test logs being disregarded due to how inconsistent it makes the character and how self-contradictory they can be at times. (For example, 106 has many completely different origin stories but one was treated as "more correct" in a VS thread I debated in because it was older and generally accepted. That shouldn't be allowed)
4) As posted above, profiles can have different keys for different canons as necessary.
These pages will be helpful for canons outside of the SCP Profiles. Collaborative writing projects like those here should also work.
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Once again, following.
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