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Say there’s characters with feats that can traverse an infinite sized dimension, would that by default translate to infinite speed or would there need to be some evidence they traversed most or all of it for it to count?
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Regarding infinite sized dimensions
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If they're stated to have reached the very end/border of said dimension, then it should be fine.
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Oliver_de_jesus
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Well, depends, like move from A to B inside of that Dimension or go from each edges of that dimension?
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Basically either one of the following:
A: Someone wanders around the dimension endlessly and just stumbles onto some border between dimensions by accident.
B: Normally traversing through this dimension without much elaboration.
C: Going to the deepest reaches of said dimension.
A: Someone wanders around the dimension endlessly and just stumbles onto some border between dimensions by accident.
B: Normally traversing through this dimension without much elaboration.
C: Going to the deepest reaches of said dimension.
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Not sure about B, but definitely A and C
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Yeah, A is good
B is a no in most of the case
C It's strange, it may be that it reaches the limits of known parts, however there is still more to explore in the unknown regions
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None of those necessitate infinite speed.
And so, you could arrive there with finite speed simply by happening to enter that realm a finite distance away from it.
Traversing such a place can be done with finite speeds.
C can be done by happening to start a finite distance from those deepest reaches.
If an infinite realm has a border, that's not a location that's moving at an infinite speed such that you'd need infinite speed to reach it.
And so, you could arrive there with finite speed simply by happening to enter that realm a finite distance away from it.
Going from edge to edge would often qualify, but we should be careful of cases where the realm isn't infinite in each direction. We wouldn't typically assume that for just "this realm is infinite", but watch out that there isn't any information indicating that.
A can be done by happening to start a finite distance from that border.
Traversing such a place can be done with finite speeds.
C can be done by happening to start a finite distance from those deepest reaches.
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How exactly would it be a finite distance if reaching the deepest reaches would imply you’ve still traversed literal infinity?
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Because "reached the deepest reaches" doesn't imply that.
You don't need to traverse an entire cave to reach the deepest reaches of it.
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It's case by case; simply traveling to other dimensions through sheer movement is just dimensional travel and not speed of any level. Simply entering or exiting being the contest for "Traversing" wouldn't really mean much. But traveling to "The edge of something infinite" would qualify for infinite speed. Though traversing an infinite number of worlds/dimensions is a different story since one doesn't need to even go from "Edge to edge" to travel, but simply stepping foot in an infinite number of dimensions one by one would still translate to an infinite number of steps and thus infinite.
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Agreed.
I disagree, if such an edge exists, there's no reason for reaching it to require infinite speed unless you believe it's moving away at an infinite speed. Otherwise, there would be locations in space that are a finite distance away from it, and would require only a finite speed to reach it.
Agreed.
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@DarkDragonMedeus my examples had literally nothing to do with travelling to other dimensions, pay attention to what I'm saying, I said traverse the infinite dimension itself, or traversing the entirety of it.
@Agnaa A cave isn't an entire dimension though, especially one that's infinite in size so you're comparing apples to oranges.
@Agnaa A cave isn't an entire dimension though, especially one that's infinite in size so you're comparing apples to oranges.
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They are both physical locations that can have deepest reaches which aren't necessarily an infinite distance away from an arbitrary starting point. Everything necessary for my statement applies to both of them.
Unless there's something I'm missing, which you could point out.
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They’re literally not the same, you’re comparing a tunnel that seemingly goes on but isn’t stated to be infinite, compared to an actual dimension that’s flat out stated to be infinite in size.
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It being stated to be infinite is irrelevant to whether its "deepest reaches" are necessarily an infinite distance away from a particular starting point.
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With that logic, infinite speed throught getting out of infinite spaces without the use of magical/teleportation means would be impossible
Also,
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If they are shown or stated to get out of the infinite space via speed, it would count
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It wouldn't be impossible, it just wouldn't be guaranteed. If there is an edge at a certain location, with ordinary space around it, a character X meters away from it could get to it in 1 second by only moving at X meters per second, regardless of whether that edge is infinitely distance from another location or not.
What do you think that video tells us for this thread?
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Ig? I don't really get what you mean here
Explain why an infinite space can have edges
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The same would apply to the cave, which is said to be infinte. The logic is that you don't have to go all the way to get to the deepest reaches of the cave, because starting point is the key. Edge of dimension isn't infinte distance far from every point, some of them are still finite so a character can start moving let's say 5 meters away and reach it.
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The edge of space isn't infinitely far away from every point in that space.
It doesn't actually do that.
It just says that you can represent an infinite space in a finite region with hyperbolic geometry. In fact, at the boundary of that space, space seems to be normal in all directions around it, there's no actual edge one runs up against. Physics operates normally, without a breakdown in spacetime or a border to run up against. If it didn't function that way, it wouldn't be useful.
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Let's say in your infinite dimension, one is at the edge, and travels 5 light years, and ends up at a star
If one were go from that star back to the edge, it would be 5 light years in distance, not infinite distance
Just because point A to B is infinite doesn't mean every two points in-between are infinite
So it depends on the starting point to determine if he travels an infinite distance is what he means, ofcourse statements such as 'transversed the entirety of the realm to reach the deepest parts' are more in line with infinite speed
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Oh yeah, saw some points above. But I meant to say one edge to the opposite side's edge would be infinite.
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So merely traversing through the realm in of itself wouldn't be enough for infinite speed, it would have to be a clear cut statement of crossing the entirety of it, is that the general consensus I'm getting?
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Entirety
Or maybe a stated fraction of the entire realm (since infinity divided by anything is still infinity)
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If there is something to prove that crossed part isn't a infinitesmall part of it, that should work. Statement isn't that necessary as it can also be proved visually I think.
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Example: X char is visually shown to reach the edge of a infinite sized dimension and even escape it. Lucifer is a perfect example
More like some statements the space the guy traversed is infinite in the first place
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Only thing I could imagine would be showing a visualisation of the universe, that is explicitly talking about the entirety of it despite it being infinite, and showing a notable distance moved on that.
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@Lloydblitzed the lucifer feat literally has it stated that he traversed an infinite distance though, that just proves my point that visuals alone won't be enough and you need some statement that they were traversing infinite distance in the first place.
@Agnaa That again proves my point that you can't visualize it by itself, you need a statement to even confirm what's even happening in the first place.
@Agnaa That again proves my point that you can't visualize it by itself, you need a statement to even confirm what's even happening in the first place.
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Either way, I’d prefer we get some more input here.
@Planck69 @CloverDragon03 @LephyrTheRevanchist @Propellus @Elizhaa @Dalesean027 @ByAsura @Qawsedf234 @Celestial_Pegasus your input here would be appreciated.
@Planck69 @CloverDragon03 @LephyrTheRevanchist @Propellus @Elizhaa @Dalesean027 @ByAsura @Qawsedf234 @Celestial_Pegasus your input here would be appreciated.
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I feel like traveling a whole infinite sized place would easily already be a straightforward infinite speed feat if it really were to be the case.
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For exampe there can be shown his movement through dimension. I don't necessarily need a statement to state that he traveled infinite distance if distance is quite comparable to length of the dimension.
By without statement I don't mean zero context. If we know that shown dimension is infinite and shown distance is comparable to it, I don't think we need a direct statement of distance being infinite.
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I mean yeah if there's a statement saying he traveled a 1/100 or what ever fraction of the total dimension
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Except you do because just a visual showcase doesn’t tell us much when you can’t visualize Infinity in the first place. Statements are necessary for this.
@Agnaa didn’t you say that these feats wouldn’t be infinite because the deepest reaches doesn’t take into account the starting point?
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