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Also, Medaka's TS is just an Infinite speed boost, so TWOH will still catch her.
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REDO! Medaka Kurokami vs HAD
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TWOH is not 2-A doe. TWOH is a mere 8-B.Standuser081 said:
Medaka's time stop is "Pseudo time stop" different mechanics from normal time stop so they can't be equalized.
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Speed equalized doe, so no he ain't catching her.RebubleUselet said:
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We do not allow a slower character winning via speed boosts.
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It's time hax. Time hax can be utilised for speed boosts in speed equalized matches. Besides we do still treat it as a time stop (an unresistable form of time stop). Time hax =/= Boost, also tell that to Schreiber and his speed boost.RebubleUselet said:
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Just pointing out something,All Fiction is not retroactive and eveen if it was,time stop would end cancelling that out because it can only erase a instant of time while his time stop doenst have a time limit, Medaka would just cancel a second just for to see herself fronze in a place.
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It doesn't erase phyical time doe (like diavolo), it erases it a bit more mathematically.Axl233 said:
About that All Fiction is retroactive, since something that has been erased with AF "has never been there" so it's "faster" than instant (i mean it would win vs an instant ability).
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Reality Overwrite is still 2-A. So fine, she can have TWOH, but not Reality Overwrite.
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Except Reality Overwrite comes with TWOH, and neither DIO nor TWOH have resistance to power mimicry.Standuser081 said:
Also this is a moot point either way. Dio can't even get past All Fiction and Bookmaker, let alone go to a point where Medaka needs to copy him.
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Like I said, give me a scan where Medaka could copy a 2-A ability. Saying that Medaka can copy it without any feats would be a huge case of NLF. As for All Fiction and Bookmaker, refer to Lancer45Man's last post.
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Diavolo time erasure is much better because it lasts for more time and lets him interact with people inside that time erasure Medaka all fiction only last for a instant.
Is that you argument?really Fire?that doenst make it faster then a instant if it automatic and a passive im would undestand.
She still gets time stopped because the time erase is not gonna get rid of his time stop.
Now you are just getting into the NLF saying that she would undestand a 2A power,It doenst have to be like that.
Im still dint talk about the fact that Dio has passive probality manip with the corpse tho.
Is that you argument?really Fire?that doenst make it faster then a instant if it automatic and a passive im would undestand.
She still gets time stopped because the time erase is not gonna get rid of his time stop.
Now you are just getting into the NLF saying that she would undestand a 2A power,It doenst have to be like that.
Im still dint talk about the fact that Dio has passive probality manip with the corpse tho.
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I already debunked it.Standuser081 said:
He conceded in the "will manip" departament which means it's a 1 shot from Bookmaker. Bookmaker is in TWOH goes away (since the stand is just the user's will), and Dio wants to go home and play DBFZ to get tournament results.
And again All Fiction 1 shots.
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Or just straight off erasing her from existence at the start.
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The screws can be spawned inside him. Or she can just use time stop to place them. Either way dodging bookmaker is not an argument. It's not possible to dodge something that happens inside you.Axl233 said:
Time Stop? -> Gets countered by her own time stop given that her time stop is retroactive. And again once bookmaker is in he will not have the will to do anything once bookmaker is in.
Erasing the screws?-> Impossible. No will to do that. He doesn't want to erase the screws even IF he somehow is able to erase the screws (which he is not since he's unable to access his powers).
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No, Bookmaker cannot seal a 2-A power without any feats. Anything said otherwise would a huge NLF.
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Her time stop is better and again that's IF she doesn't all fiction him from the get go.Axl233 said:
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He needs contact. Untill it gets added to the profiles you can't use it since it's still being argued and it's not a closed matter.Standuser081 said:
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No, it's been approved. Nobody just bothered to edit it.
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He still just nulls his will then and causes incap. GG either way.
It's not approved Weekly had arguments against it and who was the mod who approved that again? The only mod in there was Weekly and he didn't approve. So yeah...not been accepted.
It's not approved Weekly had arguments against it and who was the mod who approved that again? The only mod in there was Weekly and he didn't approve. So yeah...not been accepted.
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Medaka's timestop: Makes any amount of time an instant (for medaka).Axl233 said:
Dio: Keeps time in an instant.
This is more correct. As i said Medaka's time stop is not Diavolo.
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It doesn't matter if Weekly disagreed sense he was out voted.Firephoenixearl said:
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LOL. What do you think that is, a vs battle? xDThe Wright Way said:
You are trying to get something added to the profiles, a mod's input is crucial. You think i can just get 10 DBtards and make a CRT for "goku is 1-A" outvote the few that come to disagree and have that added to the profile? It doesn't work like that. Voting doesn't work the same way in CRT.
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False, even assuming it was used on him (which is a HUGE stretch as it was never stated that it was used on him to begin with).Axl233 said:
GER's power is not willpower manip. It's causality manipulation. He just reverts your will power to a state where you didn't have willpower to do sth. What this means is that DIO just resisted having his will reverted back to a state where he didn't have one, he resisted "causality manipulation", not raw will power manipulation like Bookmaker. Bookmaker just makes you have no will it doesn't reset it.
Long story short, he resisted Causality Manipulation, not will erasure (not exactly will erasure but similarly). So no he doesn't resist willpower manip. (and as i said that's IF GER even used willpower manip on him).
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LOL. What do you think that is, a vs battle? xD
You are trying to get something added to the profiles, a mod's input is crucial. You think i can just get 10 DBtards and make a CRT for "goku is 1-A" outvote the few that come to disagree and have that added to the profile? It doesn't work like that. Voting doesn't work the same way in CRT.
Lol if you only looked at the first CRT you would know that SomebodyData even agreed to it.
You are trying to get something added to the profiles, a mod's input is crucial. You think i can just get 10 DBtards and make a CRT for "goku is 1-A" outvote the few that come to disagree and have that added to the profile? It doesn't work like that. Voting doesn't work the same way in CRT.
Lol if you only looked at the first CRT you would know that SomebodyData even agreed to it.
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It's not added to the profiles. Some ppl have arguments against it. The thread is not finished, you can't use it. End of story. It hasn't been accepted yet, it's still being argued so no, it's not avaliable for use in vs threads.
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And yes, GER still has willpower manip. If he didn't have, then everyone he negged would still have their previous will intact as it only reverts actions.
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1. It's causality manipulation that is used on willpower. Just simple causality manip resistance negs it. Causality resistance doesn't negg bookmaker cus it's not the same mechanics.Standuser081 said:
2. Prove GER used it on Dio to begin with.
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LOL. What do you think that is, a vs battle? xD
You are trying to get something added to the profiles, a mod's input is crucial. You think i can just get 10 DBtards and make a CRT for "goku is 1-A" outvote the few that come to disagree and have that added to the profile? It doesn't work like that. Voting doesn't work the same way in CRT.
No, because if such a thread was made it would either be closed instantly or moved to Fun and Games. Neither of which happened in this case and the other members still had debatable and understandable points, something that wouldn't be present in your example. It's 11 mod with understandable arguments vs a bunch of non-mods with understandable arguments. You're arguing appeal to authority fallacy here.
You are trying to get something added to the profiles, a mod's input is crucial. You think i can just get 10 DBtards and make a CRT for "goku is 1-A" outvote the few that come to disagree and have that added to the profile? It doesn't work like that. Voting doesn't work the same way in CRT.
No, because if such a thread was made it would either be closed instantly or moved to Fun and Games. Neither of which happened in this case and the other members still had debatable and understandable points, something that wouldn't be present in your example. It's 11 mod with understandable arguments vs a bunch of non-mods with understandable arguments. You're arguing appeal to authority fallacy here.
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Not a closed deal, there exist counter arguments. Once it gets added to the profiles we talk k?
When there is a flat out statement saying "HE NEEDS CONTACT" it's not gonna be easy to argue against.
When there is a flat out statement saying "HE NEEDS CONTACT" it's not gonna be easy to argue against.
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You've yet to prove Medaka can beat 2-A overwrite.
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Fine, I wasn't aware it hadn't been added.Firephoenixearl said:
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Not even trying to anymore.The Wright Way said:
Case 1: Medaka uses all fiction and retroactively erases him before he has time to do anything.
Case 2: Medaka spawns bookmaker on him and he wants to go home causing incap via will power manip that is not the same as GER's will power reset.
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No, a person being a staff member doesn't matter at all. What matters is one's knowledge on the matter.
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A staff member is needed (multiple is possible), since they are the ones who gotta add this. There is also the fact that there needs to be someone who is really knowledgable on the rules of the wiki etc. So yeah a staff member is pretty much needed. You can't just gather fans and decide on something before someone comes in.RebubleUselet said:
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Anyway this is derailing, let's stop this Dio talk and leave it for the other thread. Untill it gets added it can't be used here.
And let's start arguing here:
Case 1: Medaka uses all fiction and retroactively erases him before he has time to do anything.
Case 2: Medaka spawns bookmaker on him and he wants to go home causing incap via will power manip that is not the same as GER's will power reset.
And let's start arguing here:
Case 1: Medaka uses all fiction and retroactively erases him before he has time to do anything.
Case 2: Medaka spawns bookmaker on him and he wants to go home causing incap via will power manip that is not the same as GER's will power reset.
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Not even trying to anymore.
Case 1: Medaka uses all fiction and retroactively erases him before he has time to do anything.
Case 2: Medaka spawns bookmaker on him and he wants to go home causing incap via will power manip that is not the same as GER's will power reset.
And you've yet to debunk the arguments against those cases.
Case 1: Scans of it being retroactive? Even then, 2-A overwrite off the bat stops her from using it.
Case 2: They both reduce a person's will power from what you're saying. His resistance will work fine.
Case 1: Medaka uses all fiction and retroactively erases him before he has time to do anything.
Case 2: Medaka spawns bookmaker on him and he wants to go home causing incap via will power manip that is not the same as GER's will power reset.
And you've yet to debunk the arguments against those cases.
Case 1: Scans of it being retroactive? Even then, 2-A overwrite off the bat stops her from using it.
Case 2: They both reduce a person's will power from what you're saying. His resistance will work fine.
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