Red guy from Doors vs. Overweight cannibal (Figure vs. SCP-082)

[Hortonhearsahoot]

Counted

 

[Comiphorous]

I am aware of Newton's 3rd law. What I mean is that Fernand's durability has better feats than his AP.

enduring stab wounds/gunshot wounds isn't really superior to being able to crack skulls.

 

[AThe1412]

enduring stab wounds/gunshot wounds isn't really superior to being able to crack skulls.

It depends on the type of gun of course but considering that they're trying to contain instead of kill him I doubt that the Foundation used anything stronger than the guns that are listed to be comparable on the skull crushing calculation.

 

[Hortonhearsahoot]

Like AThe1412 said, it depends on the type of gun. Although it's not unlikely they use more mild ones, the fact that he simply absorbs them with his muscles means that it would likely take much more to severely damage him.

 

[Hortonhearsahoot]

It depends on the type of gun of course but considering that they're trying to contain instead of kill him I doubt that the Foundation used anything stronger than the guns that are listed to be comparable on the skull crushing calculation.

At the same time, why would they necessarily hold back? They're well aware that this man has cracked skulls with his bare teeth; he's superhuman and they know it. It's just as plausible that they went all in with the firearms.

 

[AThe1412]

At the same time, why would they necessarily hold back? They're well aware that this man has cracked skulls with his bare teeth; he's superhuman and they know it. It's just as plausible that they went all in with the firearms.

Because they're the SCP Foundation. Their primary goal is to contain and study anomalies, not destroy them. They probably don't want to risk heavily injuring or potentially kill him with weapons they know he can't handle such as .50 BMG rounds.

 

[Hortonhearsahoot]

They do want to contain instead of kill, but how would they have any reliable way of knowing his limits? When you see an 8-feet tall behemoth eating people's skulls, you probably don't get scared of your bullets being too strong for it to handle.

 

[AThe1412]

They do want to contain instead of kill, but how would they have any reliable way of knowing his limits? When you see an 8-feet tall behemoth eating people's skulls, you probably don't get scared of your bullets being too strong for it to handle.

They can tranquilize him. Nothing says that they can't put him to sleep then study him while he's unconscious. His document also suggests that there are guns that can effectively hurt and stop him, it's just that none of those guns are the standard weaponry you would expect to see the average facility guard walking around with.
Edit: Okay, I just realized several hours ago that he has Immortality Type 2. Rereading his document again, he CAN indeed be harmed by low caliber bullets and blades. It's just that his body isn't going to die from the injuries or the fact that there are numerous foreign objects stuck inside of it.

 

[Hortonhearsahoot]

so.. in that case, could figure's attacks hinder his body? I do know his door feat is a bit stronger than fern's skull feat.

 

[AThe1412]

so.. in that case, could figure's attacks hinder his body? I do know his door feat is a bit stronger than fern's skull feat.

Likely. I could have worded this better but when I say he isn't "hindered" it means wounds that would definitely kill a normal human won't be fatal to him at all. If Fernand gets his legs crushed to bits for example then he won't die from it but he would still be rendered legless. If Figure manages to rip his head off then he loses instantly because even if he survives it, he won't be able to do anything without a body.

 

[Hortonhearsahoot]

Fern's dura is still street level, though, and Figure's head-ripping attack is less powerful in joules than 082's skull-crushing, which scales to his dura.

 

[AThe1412]

Fern's dura is still street level, though, and Figure's head-ripping attack is less powerful in joules than 082's skull-crushing, which scales to his dura.

Yes, Figure won't be able to rip his head off, at least not very easily, but he'll still be throwing and slamming Fernand around at at least twice his speed.

 

[Hortonhearsahoot]

agreed. The only (kinda) problem for Figure is immortality, but I'm kind of neutral for now.

 

[Comiphorous]

agreed. The only (kinda) problem for Figure is immortality, but I'm kind of neutral for now.

Immortality isn't very useful when Figure's standard tactics would put him in a state where he physically cannot fight.

 

[Hortonhearsahoot]

Figure's head-ripping attacks, which he uses on his first encounter, aren't enough to behead Fernand.

 

[AThe1412]

Figure's head-ripping attacks, which he uses on his first encounter, aren't enough to behead Fernand.

I think he meant to say that Figure always go for grapples as his first move so even if he can't rip Fernand's head off, he still has the guy in his grip and can do literally anything else to hurt him.

 

[Comiphorous]

Figure's head-ripping attacks, which he uses on his first encounter, aren't enough to behead Fernand.

he uses on all his encounters what.

also no, they're comparable. Fernand isn't so durable Figure can't harm him like he usually does.

 

[Hortonhearsahoot]

Scp-082 can crush a human's skull without any noted ill-effects for himself. The head-ripping feat is around 1 kilojoule, while the skull-crushing is around 3.

 

[Comiphorous]

Scp-082 can crush a human's skull without any noted ill-effects for himself. The head-ripping feat is around 1 kilojoule, while the skull-crushing is around 3.

he doesn't crush a human skull, he cracks it. he doesn't scale to skull crushing.

 

[Hortonhearsahoot]

Did a little research. MMA fighters can land punches exceeding 1.1k joules (around Figure's head-ripping level), yet they still don't come close to cracking a skull with the ease that SCP-082 does. Even when one of them attacked the skull with a bat, he did noticeably less damage than what Fernand would be capable of. Since AP scales to Dura, he would likely not get head-ripped easily.

 

[Comiphorous]

Did a little research. MMA fighters can land punches exceeding 1.1k joules (around Figure's head-ripping level), yet they still don't come close to cracking a skull with the ease that SCP-082 does. Even when one of them attacked the skull with a bat, he did noticeably less damage than what Fernand would be capable of. Since AP scales to Dura, he would likely not get head-ripped easily.

Thats because one is a punch and the other is biting force. can't really make that comparison when your using two different methods of AP lmao.

 

[AThe1412]

Bump (Oh wait, nevermind with this match. The entirety of SCP is gonna be gone soon).

 

[Hortonhearsahoot]

The entirety of SCP is gonna be gone soon

Hold on. This is news to me

 

[AThe1412]

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