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Red guy from Doors vs. Overweight cannibal (Figure vs. SCP-082)

Figure is like 7 LSes above to SCP-082's LS, ripping heads ggs, if not an stomp (It should be noted that Figure's speed is like superhuman via statistics amp, meaning he could speed blitz that scp, so you want to equalize speed there and do some research about speed before posting some rounds).
 
1: The Figure would definitely not one-shot a target like Fernand so easily. He has an extremely high muscle density and due to this is capable of enduring bullets with relative ease. If Fernand was just a big human then yeah, easy one-tap, but he isn't. The man has endured bullets with relative ease due to his incredible muscle density.
2: Even when Figure is aware of and aggressive towards The Player in doors, it still only decides to amplify its speed when they start collecting the books. I doubt it would be eager enough to use that ability before taking at least a decent amount of damage.
 
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1: I don't think that Figure would one-shot a target like Fernand so easily. He has an extremely high muscle density and has endured bullets with relative ease. Fernand isn't just a big human; he is quite durable and probably won't get his head popped off like Figure does to Roblox players.
I am not an debate expert, Understood about this.
2: Even when Figure is aware of The Player in doors, it still only decides to amplify its speed when they start collecting the books. I doubt one that isn't even aware of SCP-082 yet would be so quick to use that ability.
So this is why SBA says Figure isnt aware of that scp, I understand.

Thanks for correcting me, Although we need an debate expert to decide who wins.
 
Your point about Figure's LS is convincing though..the problem is that I simply can't see it reliably harming Fernand. Also, do you think that a bite or two from 082 (which can crack skulls, to give you an idea of where he's at) could reliably take out the Figure?
 
Your point about Figure's LS is convincing though..the problem is that I simply can't see it reliably harming Fernand. Also, do you think that a bite or two from 082 (which can crack skulls, to give you an idea of where he's at) could reliably take out the Figure?
The duras of fernand and figure are the same, i dont think he could take out that roblox demogorgon.
 
Fernand takes a single bite at Figure and he's not going to do that very easily. Like I said, Fernand's muscles have absorbed blades and bullets; it'll take a good deal more than what Figure usually shows to bring him down.
 
True, but the difference between their LS is ridiculously far apart that even getting close to bite Figure wouldn't stop em from just ragdolling Fernand

And I mean, this ain't even counting Figure's Fear Manip, which may prevent Fernand from even considering getting within close range
 
That's true, but 082 gets a single opening on Figure (which isn't too unlikely, as it'll take a while for the Figure's attacks to do Fernand in), he's likely to go for a bite, which the latter definitely doesn't want to get hit by. 082 also goes into a bloodlusted state when he's craving a body. Figure is a relatively humanoid creature, so considering the fact that Fernand's likely not enjoying getting pummeled and tossed around, it's very possible this happens. Correct me if I'm wrong, but would this berserk "form" override the Figure's fear manipulation?
 
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Don't think so, seeing as that doesn't seem to be an inherent weakness of Fear Manip, and would likely resort in Fernand cornering himself like a frightened animal

And to be fair about AP, Figure apparently has burst through metal doors, so I don't see how Fernand can really shrug any of those off, especially when being juggled simultaneously
 
Don't think so, seeing as that doesn't seem to be an inherent weakness of Fear Manip, and would likely resort in Fernand cornering himself like a frightened animal

And to be fair about AP, Figure apparently has burst through metal doors, so I don't see how Fernand can really shrug any of those off, especially when being juggled simultaneously
Adding on to this, Figure has the ability to reach farther than it physically should be capable of with its arms which will allow it to keep Fernand at a range and considering how talkative he is, its hearing will pick up on him almost immediately aka it'll land the first hit before he can retaliate.
 
I'm willing to believe that bullets could seriously damage a metal door, which Fernand absorbs without much trouble. I pretty much agree with the part about Fear Manipulation, though.
 
True, but Figure only has average intelligence. Not to say it's unable to think of something like that, but I doubt that'll be its first strategy. I can't argue with Fernand's talkativeness, though. Figure is most definitely getting the first hit in. The problem is, Figure is used to making quick work of its opponents in a single hit with little to no effort. It would most definitely be caught off-guard finding out that this victim is much taller and durable.
 
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Fernand takes a single bite at Figure and he's not going to do that very easily. Like I said, Fernand's muscles have absorbed blades and bullets; it'll take a good deal more than what Figure usually shows to bring him down.
Your point about Figure's LS is convincing though..the problem is that I simply can't see it reliably harming Fernand. Also, do you think that a bite or two from 082 (which can crack skulls, to give you an idea of where he's at) could reliably take out the Figure?
True, but Figure only has average intelligence. Not to say it's unable to think of something like that, but I doubt that'll be its first strategy. I can't argue with Fernand's talkativeness, though. Figure is most definitely getting the first hit in. The problem is, Figure is used to making quick work of its opponents in a single hit with little to no effort. It would most definitely be caught off-guard finding out that this victim is much taller and durable.
Figure has possible Mid-Low regeneration so a bite to anywhere other than his neck or face isn't going to do much other than piss him off and because of Figure's higher LS and range with his arms, they're pretty much the only thing Fernand can bite. A prey fighting back or not dying easily would probably just prompt Figure to use his speed boost to overwhelm it. What you said can also be applied to Fernand himself since most of the Foundation's standard weapons don't work on him and so he might underestimate Figure, especially since he is, in-character, rather delusional and isn't very self-aware.



Imagine Loki is Fernand and Hulk is Figure. This is likely how the fight would go (Oddly fitting as well since Fernand thinks that he's the King of France while Figure is Figure).
 
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Great clip; Fern will definitely get tossed around. However, it's probably not as easy for a superhuman dude who thinks he's the King of France to underestimate a giant, 9-feet tall behemoth. Figure, however, has no idea what who's he's up against even looks like and has no reason to assume he's anything other than a talkative human when detecting him at first. There's going to be a significant contrast in surprise between the two when they find out they can't one-shot each other. Like I said, Figure could keep away 082, but that's definitely not going to be his first response, so the way I see it go is Figure uses an attack that barely harms Fernand, is caught off guard by it not killing him, and takes serious damage from a bite. Mid-low regeneration probably isn't doing much, as I believe a bite would do more than just cause a severe scar. When you compare 082's AP to Figure's durability, an attack from the former isn't looking so good for the latter. Correct me if I'm wrong, but getting bitten by an attack that crushes human skulls is probably a good deal more effective than being burnt for a few seconds and falling/crashing through a window. It's more likely that Fernand causes one of Figure's body parts to fall off in the beginning of the battle than do anything Mid-Low regeneration can fix. I mean, mans was running for his life after a few seconds of the oil fire. Imagine the freak out that would ensue if 082 bit one of the arms off.
 
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Great clip; Fern will definitely get tossed around. However, it's probably not as easy for a superhuman dude who thinks he's the King of France to underestimate a giant, 9-feet tall behemoth. Figure, however, has no idea what who's he's up against even looks like and has no reason to assume he's anything other than a talkative human when detecting him at first. There's going to be a significant contrast in surprise between the two when they find out they can't one-shot each other. Like I said, Figure could keep away 082, but that's definitely not going to be his first response, so the way I see it go is Figure uses an attack that barely harms Fernand, is caught off guard by it not killing him, and takes serious damage from a bite. Mid-low regeneration probably isn't doing much, as I believe a bite would do more than just cause a severe scar. When you compare 082's AP to Figure's durability, an attack from the former isn't looking so good for the latter. Correct me if I'm wrong, but getting bitten by an attack that crushes human skulls is probably a good deal more effective than being burnt for a few seconds and falling/crashing through a window. It's more likely that Fernand causes one of Figure's body parts to fall off in the beginning of the battle than do anything Mid-Low regeneration can fix. I mean, mans was running for his life after a few seconds of the oil fire. Imagine the freak out that would ensue if 082 bit one of the arms off.
Having your entire body set on fire is definitely more painful than losing a limb with pain receptors going off throughout the entire body as opposed to only one place. Sure, he gets an arm bitten off, and then? Figure can just immediately grab the guy and Hulk slam him even with one arm (Reminder that his head-ripping feat is performed with one arm AND with extreme ease)
 
Not to mention, wouldn't fear manipulation prevent 082 from underestimating his opponent?
It depends on how he would respond to it in character really. He's not particularly brave or anything so he'll be scared and his heart will be beating fast, the lights in his containment chamber will also start flickering. Being scared might cause him to freeze in place or not react to things as quickly as he normally would which is in Figure's favour.
 
More painful? Yes. More damaging? Probably not. I'm aware of Figure's high stamina, but he isn't going to no-sell such an attack very easily. if that happens, he's going to be hurt and potentially give the scp a chance to land more attacks. A beast does not simply lose an arm and fight with maximum efficiency as if nothing happened. Fear Manipulation could interfere with that, but it's very possible that Fernand's aggression increases due to this fear (like how if somebody snuck up on you to scare you, might hit them through pure instinct and fear.)
 
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More painful? Yes. More damaging? Probably not. I'm aware of Figure's high stamina, but he isn't going to no-sell such an attack very easily. if that happens, he's going to be hurt and potentially give the scp a chance to land more attacks. A beast does not simply lose an arm and fight with maximum efficiency like nothing happened
Adrenaline, or whatever Figure has running in its system, is a real kicker. Now what if Figure does flee? Fernand wouldn't be able to catch him easily because he'll be using his speed amp and he can recover from pain fairly quickly too. The Player takes under a minute to finish the Circuit Breaker Puzzle and in that timeframe, Figure recovers from the pain, climbs back up an unknown height after jumping out of the window, breaks through another window before bursting through the door leading back to the room the Player is in. If you're voting for Fernand then go ahead, count me as a vote for the Demogorgon knockoff.
 
In no way am I saying he would flee; just saying that he would back off and potentially give Fernand a bit of an upper hand. Like I said, recovering from a limb being lost and recovering from what you just described are two very different things. One can be taken care of by Mid-low regeneration. The other can not.
Counted, nonetheless (y)
 
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In no way am I saying he would flee;
I mean, mans was running for his life after a few seconds of the oil fire. Imagine the freak out that would ensue if 082 bit one of the arms off.
You said it yourself.
Like I said, recovering from a limb being lost and recovering from what you just described are two very different things. One can be taken care of by Mid-low regeneration. The other can not.
I already said why losing a limb wouldn't hinder Figure that much. And that's assuming he would lose his arm in the first place because his hands got some janky hitbox bullcrap that lets them grab things that are like 20 centimeters away from them.
 
I wasn't trying to claim he would run away if he got attacked. I meant to say that he would "freak out". Sorry for the misconception. I've argued this before: physically, Figure wouldn't have trouble, but losing a limb is going to inhibit your ability to fight out of sheer damage. The thing is, facing an enemy that can actually stand toe-to-toe with him without dying in 5 seconds isn't going to be expected at all. And that moment of surprise is all Fernand needs to land a bite and severely damage his opponent.
 
I wasn't trying to claim he would run away if he got attacked. I meant to say that he would "freak out". Sorry for the misconception. I've argued this before: physically, Figure wouldn't have trouble, but losing a limb is going to inhibit your ability to fight out of sheer damage. The thing is, facing an enemy that can actually stand toe-to-toe with him without dying in 5 seconds isn't going to be expected at all. And that moment of surprise is all Fernand needs to land a bite and severely damage his opponent.
That was not a problem in the four previous matches on his profile where he won.
 
What specifically was not a problem? I talked about a good amount of things in that comment.
Figure facing someone as strong or stronger than him. There's Mommy Long Legs who happens to also scale to skull crushing and has way better abilities than Fernand. There's also the fact that in DOORS itself, whenever Figure shows up, no other entities appear, presumably because they're scared of him and stay out of his way at least according to El Goblino.
 
I don't think Long Legs and Fernard are a 1-to-1 comparison, specifically when it comes to durability feats (Not getting your head pulled off from a Grabpack vs. enduring bullets/blades). I don't know if there's a calc for where 082's feat would be at, so I'm not sure.
 
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In terms of AP, yes. But in durability, they have different feats entirely, which means one might be able to take more hits than the other.
 
In terms of AP, yes. But in durability, they have different feats entirely, which means one might be able to take more hits than the other.
Uh, no? According to the durability page, physical AP scales to durability thanks to Newton's 3rd Law. MLL is superior to Bunzo who performed the feat of skull crushing in the first place and easily defeated him. Okay, this is derailing from the topic of this thread.
 
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