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Rakudai Kishi no Cavalry/Eiyuutan Discussion Thread Part 4

Lina_Shields

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This thread will serve as a continuation of our previous thread here.

Stella, Ikki, and many others getting some massive upgrades are they? I am glad :D

Also, here is the previous post from the last thread.

[B]AidenBrooks999[/B] said:
About Stella's Bahamut Soul.... Did she used after Deus Ex Machina destroyed 1/4 of the ring?

Because if that is true, then it would be a dowgrade (to 4048531201120 Joules or 967.62218 Tons of TNT (Multi-City Block level+))
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[B]AidenBrooks999[/B] said:
About Stella's Bahamut Soul.... Did she used after Deus Ex Machina destroyed 1/4 of the ring?

Because if that is true, then it would be a dowgrade (to 4048531201120 Joules or 967.62218 Tons of TNT (Multi-City Block level+))
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Yes.

- - -

PART 10

ÒÇîToo strong! The ring is shattered by the train-whip of Deus Ex Machina! One quarter of it has been completely blown away, raising an impressive dust cloud! Is Vermillion alright!?ÒÇì

...

PART 12

But the dragon's pulse did not cease. Within that frozen coffin, crimson eyes blazed with a fury. The dragon roared.

"Bahamut Soul!"
 
Isn't 10 Tons = 10^4 kgs?

That's Class 25, so Stella should be "At least Class 25"

Also, Ikki is pretty much on par with Stella, so he can be "Likely Class 25" (Pretty sure IS and IR also upgrade his lifting strength)

Also, characters like Ouma, Nene and Edelweiss should be stronger than her

And even characters like Ayase, RenRen and even Shizuku can be on the Class 10 range
 
I assume this is Touka's? I think yes, that it's a very real possibility, though I don't remember it being as pronounced as lightning speed as Raikiri is.
 
Can it exceed City Block level? Now I am wondering, if most of Touka's attacks are capable of moving almost, if not as fast as actual lightning, would it be safe to place Touka at just straight up City Block level?
 
Lina Shields said:
Can it exceed City Block level? Now I am wondering, if most of Touka's attacks are capable of moving almost, if not as fast as actual lightning, would it be safe to place Touka at just straight up City Block level?
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Only Raikiri (and possibly Takemikazuchi) can reach such speeds

"Can it exceed City Block level?" Heck Yeah.
 
According to our kinetic energy rules, it states that

A certain character moves at a certain speed while carrying an object. This is because it requires energy to move an object at a certain speed.
Hence, if a character is moving at a specifically calculated speed, the kinetic can only be calculated if he/she was carrying an object that has a mass while moving at that speed.

Realistically, it makes sense to use the entire body mass + mass of object held to find the actual kinetic energy since your entire body would also have a mass (since it would take kinetic energy to move that mass at a desired speed).

However in fiction, you have characters who can move at extremely fast speeds, but not do much damage at all (Quiksilver; who can move extremely fast but doesn't hit all that hard), while you have slower characters who moves slow but hits with a force of a truck (Hulk). Basically, the "weak and fast" vs "the strong and slow" character comparison.

The only way this could work is if Touka could directly move her body at speeds of lightning, along with her sword. So far, she can only do this with her slashes, if I am reading correctly.

Also, if parts of the novel explains how much of the ring was destroyed in his clash with Ikki, that is a destruction feat, and it would take priority over the KE of that character, according to the kinetic energy rules.

Did Ikki's Itto Rasetsu directly outpace Touka's Raikiri however? Since he managed to strike Touka from a distance before she finished performing her Raikiri, I assume that he actually did.
 
Touka holds Narukami horizontally, creating a magnetic field in the air before her. Plunging into that magnetic field, Touka accelerates her body to a devastating speed for a powerful but hazardous thrusting attack. The technique is used in conjuction with Shippu Jinrai, and it works similar to a railgun using her body as the bullet
~ Takemikazuchi's descriptio​
Shouldn't this mean that the technique itself works via the KE of Touka's body weight?
 
If the speed of that attack is moving at the same speed of Raikiri, yes it does work.

Also, for the above example, since Ikki actually outpaced Touka's raikiri before it was performed, we do:

  • KE = (0.5)(mass of Ikki + sword = 72.27kg)((440000m/s)^2) = 1672 Tons of TNT.
Not sure if this qualifies as calc stacking or not but if Ikki didn't outspeed that Raikiri (which moves at lightning speed) he would have flat out lost that exchange.
 
I think that that qualifies as calc stacking, since it use the speed of other character to calculate KE. Also, as you said, Destruction Feat > KE Part in terms of priority (Ikki destroyed Touka's sword, which can withstand City Block level power)
 
I don't know if Takemikazuchi could be considered lightning speed, tbh.

Ikki didn't outspeed Raikiri before it was used.
 
I think it is safe to say we can keep Touka's AP as City Block level for now, due to lack of evidence that Takemikazuchi is actually lightning speed.

However, if there is a description from the novel that states how wide and tall the lightning pillar generated by Ikki/Touka clash was, we can find the radiation energy from this.

It should yield good values anyways.
 
Lina Shields said:
However, if there is a description from the novel that states how wide and tall the lightning pillar generated by Ikki/Touka clash was, we can find the radiation energy from this.
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The flash of lighting from colliding steel. That air that was blasted away. The collision gave birth to lightning and thunder that could be witnessed hundreds of miles away, carrying away all color and sound

That's all the novel says about it.
 
NotEvenHuman said:
The flash of lighting from colliding steel. That air that was blasted away. The collision gave birth to lightning and thunder that could be witnessed hundreds of miles away, carrying away all color and sound
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That's all the novel says about it.

huh, so no height given.
 
Lina Shields said:
I think it is safe to say we can keep Touka's AP as City Block level for now, due to lack of evidence that Takemikazuchi is actually lightning speed.
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It has the description of the magnetic field and the boost of Shinpu Jinrai (Which, it's called "Lightning Speed", But, I mean, it's stated that Raikiri it's the only lightning speed technique of Touka?)
 
Do note that is using actual lightning speed from Shippu Jinrai is accepted, Ikki would also scale to this, as Ikki defeated a more technique (Raikiri) using Itto Rasetsu.

If not, Ikki and Touka's tiering stays where it is.
 
Why would Ikki scale?

Literally, the description for SJ is "Blitzed Ikki in Ittou Shura".

And Ikki is already "At least MHS+" in Ittou Rasetsu
 
Explain to me how Shippu Jinrai is stronger than Ikki using Itto Rasetsu. Is shippu jinrai actually proven in the novels stronger than Raikiri?

I would think that if Shippu Jinrai was a stronger attack compared to Raikiri, she would have used that techique instead against Ikki during their battle.

Edit: You are trying to propose Touka's upgrade to Low 7-C based on Shippu Jinrai, correct? If Shippu Jinrai is that much stronger than Raikiri, why did she not use it against Ikki?
 
. . .


I... I just said that Shinpu Jinrai increase Touka' speed. Well, the technique is called lightning speed in literal translation, and it managed to blitz Ikki in Ittou SHURA, which moves at 1/10th of the speed of lightning. So, if SJ > Ittou Shura (Speedwise), then could SJ be MHS+ via using it's literal translation?

Rasetsu is already faster than lightning (Just check the profile)
 
Also, I don't know if Touka already knowed that technique

And, again, it only increases speed, not power (Which differs from Raikiri)
 
I'm still not comfortable with not scaling Ikki directly from Touka (This depends on whether Touka learned Shippu Jinrai before or after the duel with Ikki)

Also, in Touka's profile it states that only Raikiri has the speed of lightning.

Since you said that Shippu Jinrai only increases Touka's speed, and not power, this would mean that Raikiri is still the stronger of the two techniques, no? As for what this means, if the upgrade to Shippu Jinrai is accepted, Raikiri would scale as well, since the attack is described to be faster, as you have stated.
 
I never said that it was faster

Let's make a summary:

SJ: increase speed

Raikiri: increases attack speed only and has a higher AP than regular attacks

SJ feat: Blitzed Ikki in IS

IR feat: blitzed Raikiri


Basically I'm asking if SJ can be lightning speed too (because I never read the light novels). Just that, nobody gets scale from that.
 
Now, even if I did agree on Shippu Jinrai being actual lightning speed, would it just be a speed increase only? If it is just speed, this sounds fine.

I would like NEH to clear up any misconceptions I may have with Shippu Jinrai first before I make a decision on this.
 
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