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Both are the current versions of each character, guess I should've put it in the description, but no Rainbow Power, even though I personally don't think it would make a big difference without the other 5 ElementsRyukama said:Which version of Rainbow Dash are you using?
Well, Rainbow Powered Rainbow really hasn't shown any speed feats that makes her faster then her Base, at least I don't think anyway, I think the Elements show how powerful they really are when all 6 are together, when separated, they aren't nearly at problematic, but I guess it would make sense for them to get a buff, then again, if so, then RD would be like Tier 8 with Sonic Rainboom while Sonic is well within Tier 7, which means Sonic stomps, however, both are MHS+, however I don't what Mach, RD is Mach 8,100, don't know where Sonic is atRyukama said:Well the calculation for Element RD's speed isn't working for me (it just links to error each time I click to the link) So it's hard to say since I don't know exactly how fast she is.
What are you talking about? Tiering is FAR from pointless.ExerciseDancefloors said:Using tiering is pointless, because a lower tier character can kill a planet buster.
Ryukama said:What are you talking about? Tiering is FAR from pointless.ExerciseDancefloors said:Using tiering is pointless, because a lower tier character can kill a planet buster.
The only ways lower tier character can kill a planetbuster is either with absurd amount of plot induced stupidity, or the character having an ability that negates durability.
And levels of attack potency can be EXTREMELY broad. Small Planet to Planet level alone is over 137 times. And Solar System and Multi Solar System can have a gap of over a TRILLION. Do you honestly think strength gaps of that magnitude are irrelevant in a fight?
Alright then it's okay. You are right. Hax is an important factor and (depending on the power) can make AP not as valuable in a certain fight. But unless you mean the ability from Undertale, determination means nothing in a fight unless tiers were already somewhat comparable. An ant is never going to beat my shoe no matter how determined it is. I am never going to beat an army tank no matter how determined I am.ExerciseDancefloors said:Not always, but determination, cartoon physics, and hax play a huge role in that category. I apologize for generalizing, but I was speaking based on the battles between the FF and Galactus + Cybertronians and Unicron.
Rainbow Dash's cartoon physics should negate the majority of Sonic's attacks. Although she lacks hax in MOST episodes, the episodes where she uses hax appear to have proven she can take this fight. As for the race, I'm also going with Rainbow.DBZMLP12345 said:Well, Rainbow Powered Rainbow really hasn't shown any speed feats that makes her faster then her Base, at least I don't think anyway, I think the Elements show how powerful they really are when all 6 are together, when separated, they aren't nearly at problematic, but I guess it would make sense for them to get a buff, then again, if so, then RD would be like Tier 8 with Sonic Rainboom while Sonic is well within Tier 7, which means Sonic stomps, however, both are MHS+, however I don't what Mach, RD is Mach 8,100, don't know where Sonic is atRyukama said:Well the calculation for Element RD's speed isn't working for me (it just links to error each time I click to the link) So it's hard to say since I don't know exactly how fast she is.
Thing is, we don't know if Rainbow's AP surpasses Sonics while in the Rainbow Power state, we don't even know if she can access the Rainbow power individual or if she can only use it when her friends are with her, even if she could access it, we don't know if each of them individually go up an entire tier from their Bases or if they are only that powerful working as a team like when they fire off the Rainbow beam like they did with Nightmare, Discord and TirekRyukama said:Speed of Sound Sonic's high end is in the mach 3000's (scaling to Tornado)
So Rainbow Power RD stomps via both speed and possibly AP. Like I said it's hard to say the winner against Element RD since the link to her speed calc is dead.
So, Rainbow is Sub Relativistic now?Pikachu942 said:IIRC the dead link was around Mach 2000 or so in speed, but the recent speed calculation for Luna should scale to RD, so she should be about that speed which would be Sub-Rel, so Rainbow wins a race. She only beats Sonic in a fight if she has Rainbow Power.