Raiden vs Mihawk

[Johner2133451]

Raiden (Metal Gear)

As a young boy, Jack lived in the turbulence and violence of the Liberian Civil War and was orphaned at a young age by Solidus Snake, who raised him as his own and groomed him to become a killing machine of a child soldier who gained the title of Jack the Ripper, the White Devil, making quite...

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Dracule Mihawk

The first of the Seven Warlords to be formally introduced, with his appearance marking their very first mention in the story. Dracule "Hawk-Eyes" Mihawk currently carries the title of the "Strongest Swordsman in the World", wielding the massive black sword Yoru, one of the only twelve "Supreme...

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speed equalized

 

[Johner2133451]

I'm looking forward for opinions if the matchup is possible or no. Also would do non one piece matchups for now so I can learn about abilities better

 

[Johner2133451]

Would Vanilla Ice vs Cosmic Garou sounds good? (Speed Equalized)

Vanilla Ice

Vanilla Ice is a antagonist and the true penultimate foe in JoJo's Bizarre Adventure Part III: Stardust Crusaders. One of Dio Brando's most trusted henchmen and absolutely obsessed with DIO to the point of literal undying loyalty, he willingly kills himself for his master which opts DIO to...

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Garou

Garou (ガロウ, Garō) is a former disciple of Bang and was considered a prodigy. But one day, he was kicked out from his dojo for going on a rampage once he got bored with everyone. He's one of the strongest characters in the series and plays a major role as the main villain in the Hero Hunt arc...

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[Chariot190]

holy jesus **** no

How about this to start. Find a character with moderate to low hax, and start off within their tier to find an opponent.

Your first example is what we call a ludicrous mismatch.

 

[Johner2133451]

holy jesus **** no

How about this to start. Find a character with moderate to low hax, and start off within their tier to find an opponent.

Your first example is what we call a ludicrous mismatch.

On who's favor if I may know

 

[Unknownnah]

Would Vanilla Ice vs Cosmic Garou sounds good? (Speed Equalized)

Vanilla Ice

Vanilla Ice is a antagonist and the true penultimate foe in JoJo's Bizarre Adventure Part III: Stardust Crusaders. One of Dio Brando's most trusted henchmen and absolutely obsessed with DIO to the point of literal undying loyalty, he willingly kills himself for his master which opts DIO to...

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Garou

Garou (ガロウ, Garō) is a former disciple of Bang and was considered a prodigy. But one day, he was kicked out from his dojo for going on a rampage once he got bored with everyone. He's one of the strongest characters in the series and plays a major role as the main villain in the Hero Hunt arc...

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Bro is trying to dethrone Robo

 

[Chariot190]

On who's favor if I may know

Neither, it's a mismatch, it's literally whoever hits first. There is no fight. They both one shot, both can one shot, just flip a coin.

Start off simple, in fact when picking dudes, don't pick dudes so far apart that the only topic of discussion is "who's gonna use the instant kill first".

 

[Johner2133451]

Neither, it's a mismatch, it's literally whoever hits first. There is no fight. They both one shot, both can one shot, just flip a coin.

Start off simple, in fact when picking dudes, don't pick dudes so far apart that the only topic of discussion is "who's gonna use the instant kill first".

If both can one shot each other, isn't that a fair fight

 

[Chariot190]

If both can one shot each other, isn't that a fair fight

Keyword, "fight". Where's the fight?

Literally "who shoots first" matches suck, and often the winner just depends on the mood, speed equal or not, or is just a draw. They're bad. When making a match, ask yourself if there's actually gonna BE a fight.

Both characters MUST have a viable win condition, and there MUST be some sort of interaction beyond instant kill hax. Ask yourself if both are true. If not, then don't make the match, if so, then maybe it could work.

 

[Johner2133451]

Keyword, "fight". Where's the fight?

Literally "who shoots first" matches suck, and often the winner just depends on the mood, speed equal or not, or is just a draw. They're bad. When making a match, ask yourself if there's actually gonna BE a fight.

Both characters MUST have a viable win condition, and there MUST be some sort of interaction beyond instant kill hax. Ask yourself if both are true. If not, then don't make the match, if so, then maybe it could work.

Oh cause I don't see a rule for not allowing chars to one shot each other

Ok would Vanilla Ice's opponent changed to Pernida a good thing? Pernida could survive hits via regen and would take time for his roots to reach inside Vanilla https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Pernida_Parnkgjas

 

[Chariot190]

Oh cause I don't see a rule for not allowing chars to one shot each other

There isn't a rule against one shotting in particular, but there IS one for it being fair and both needing viable win conditions.

Ok would Vanilla Ice's opponent changed to Pernida a good thing? Pernida could survive hits via regen and would take time for his roots to reach inside Vanilla https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Pernida_Parnkgjas

No it's the SAME problem. Tremendous gap in stats. Both one shot.
They don't need roots, the roots useless even, they can't enter the dark dimension, but they're 6-A dude. Any hit instant kills.
Ice in turn also void manips and one shots, he can make the void like 3m across so regen won't be an option if he isn't sandbagging.

There is no fight here, it just depends on speed equal or not. Ice stomps without, Pern stomps with.

It, again, just boils down to whoever hits first.

As said, start off simple, don't pick dudes so far apart that the only topic of discussion is "who's gonna use the instant kill first". Make sure there's gonna be a fight.

 

[Johner2133451]

There isn't a rule against one shotting in particular, but there IS one for it being fair and both needing viable win conditions.

No it's the SAME problem. Tremendous gap in stats. Both one shot.
They don't need roots, the roots useless even, they can't enter the dark dimension, but they're 6-A dude. Any hit instant kills.
Ice in turn also void manips and one shots, he can make the void like 3m across so regen won't be an option if he isn't sandbagging.

There is no fight here, it just depends on speed equal or not. Ice stomps without, Pern stomps with.

It, again, just boils down to whoever hits first.

As said, start off simple, don't pick dudes so far apart that the only topic of discussion is "who's gonna use the instant kill first". Make sure there's gonna be a fight.

Well both chars capable of one shotting each other counts as fair as I remember. And if that's the case, how does Zeno able to be used in matches if all of his fights is either who can hit first

Zen'ō

Zen'ō (全王ぜんおう?, lit. "Omni-King") is the king of all of the twelve universes in the Dragon Ball multiverse. Although child-like in appearance and personality, his power is feared by even the Angels and the Gods of Destruction, having destroyed six of the original eighteen universes in a fit of...

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[Chariot190]

Well both chars capable of one shotting each other counts as fair as I remember.

Dude, THINK. Do you REALLY think that's an actual match. It isn't, it's bad. Just don't make matches based on "whoever hits first", the only time that's good, is if the instant kill needs caveats or hitting it actually isn't simple. That way there's still a fight to be had.

And if that's the case, how does Zeno able to be used in matches if all of his fights is either who can hit first

Zen'ō

Zen'ō (全王ぜんおう?, lit. "Omni-King") is the king of all of the twelve universes in the Dragon Ball multiverse. Although child-like in appearance and personality, his power is feared by even the Angels and the Gods of Destruction, having destroyed six of the original eighteen universes in a fit of...

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He usually doesn't, he usually gets his ass kicked, or stomps. It often boils down to "Can they kill him, or at least stop him from raising hand? If yes, they win, if no, they die". Matches with Zeno suck too, don't think I've seen a decent one yet.

 

[Johner2133451]

Dude, THINK. Do you REALLY think that's an actual match. It isn't, it's bad. Just don't make matches based on "whoever hits first", the only time that's good, is if the instant kill needs caveats or hitting it actually isn't simple. That way there's still a fight to be had.

He usually doesn't, he usually gets his ass kicked, or stomps. It often boils down to "Can they kill him, or at least stop him from raising hand? If yes, they win, if no, they die". Matches with Zeno suck too, don't think I've seen a decent one yet.

Well if people are allowed to make first move one shot matches like with Zeno, why couldn't I do the same?

 

[Chariot190]

Well if people are allowed to make first move one shot matches like with Zeno, why couldn't I do the same?

Because it's ******* dumb. You wanna make good matches or dogshit matches that nobody likes?

Like dude, you realize people are ALREADY making fun of you for matches yeah? Like not to rain on your parade, but it is happening. And if you keep it up, you'll be match banned if you make to many mismatches or stomps. Robo for example is already on thin ice, and you're ALREADY considered below that and at least he's self-aware and kinda funny about it, you don't have that caveat yet.

So, make good matches, two wrongs don't make a right. Others usually get away with it because they either rarely make matches, or they do enough good ones to where the occassional Zeno bullshit can be handwaved.

 

[Johner2133451]

Because it's ******* dumb. You wanna make good matches or dogshit matches that nobody likes?

Like dude, you realize people are ALREADY making fun of you for matches yeah? Like not to rain on your parade, but it is happening. And if you keep it up, you'll be match banned if you make to many mismatches or stomps. Robo for example is already on thin ice, and you're ALREADY considered below that and at least he's self-aware and kinda funny about it, you don't have that caveat yet.

So, make good matches, two wrongs don't make a right. Others usually get away with it because they either rarely make matches, or they do enough good ones to where the occassional Zeno bullshit can be handwaved.

Seems unfair bruh. Could you show me the rule that says do good enough matches allows you to make mismatches?

 

[Chariot190]

Seems unfair bruh. Could you show me the rule that says do good enough matches allows you to make mismatches?

What? They aren't allowed, it just means they don't get match banned because it isn't often enough to hold it against them.

If they make a bunch though, yeah, they would though because that tells us they shouldn't be making matches to begin with, but a bunch of good matches and a mismatch here or there isn't enough to condemn them. The problem, here, is that you evidenly don't care given you've already said stuff like "Well if people are allowed to make first move one shot matches like with Zeno, why couldn't I do the same?".

It's the same as editing, if someone usually does a good job editing profiles but ***** up once in awhile, nobody gonna ban them from edits. But if they CONSTANTLY **** up editing, they're just not gonna be allowed to.

 

[Johner2133451]

What? They aren't allowed, it just means they don't get match banned because it isn't often enough to hold it against them.

If they make a bunch though, yeah, they would though because that tells us they shouldn't be making matches to begin with, but a bunch of good matches and a mismatch here or there isn't enough to condemn them. The problem, here, is that you evidenly don't care given you've already said stuff like "Well if people are allowed to make first move one shot matches like with Zeno, why couldn't I do the same?".

It's the same as editing, if someone usually does a good job editing profiles but ***** up once in awhile, nobody gonna ban them from edits. But if they CONSTANTLY **** up editing, they're just not gonna be allowed to.

If an edit is ruined, it gets reverted right? But if mismatch is made, wouldn't that mean the match should get removed? I think like this

Versus Thread Removal Requests (New forum)

Irrelevant, Saitama resists TK which means he resists TK. Thats what the profile says, change it if you'd like Is this some salt because of Sans' TK not bypassing LS Ngl man, stuff needs feats, it's a NLF to argue otherwise. You can't unironically say that peeps like Silver the Hedgehog (who...

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[Ebihara]

Bro is trying to dethrone Robo

ive never seen such growth and potential. soon he may infact scale above robo.

 

[Deceived3596]

Do Raiden (MGS) vs Mihawk so I can see Chariot and Kachon going at it for the fourth time.

 

[Kachon123]

Raiden is getting low diffed.

 

[Deceived3596]

 

[Johner2133451]

Do Raiden (MGS) vs Mihawk so I can see Chariot and Kachon going at it for the fourth time.

Ok thanks for suggestion

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

bro is spamming op matches

 

[Chariot190]

Ok thanks for suggestion

Do you not know what sarcasm is

 

[noninho]

Raiden in an impressive fella, but what can he do against Haki? Not even talking about (iinsert that Madara joke) Kenbunshoku, Mihawk is basically skill juice and Resistance Negation is very f***** up

 

[Bernkastelll]

don't think I've seen a decent one yet.

zeno vs sans was peak tho

 

[Baken384]

if you want an example of what a real fight looks like, something like this

Thread 'SAM VS JOTARO (3-0-0)'

Dec 2, 2022

Sam Puckett (ICarly) vs Jotaro Kujo (Jojo's Bizarre Adventure)

• 9-B Keys
• Jotaro's Star Platinum is Restricted
• Sam is equipped with the butter sock while Jotaro has his lighter
• Speed Equalized
• Starting Distance: 10 Meters
• Battle takes place at a forest

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• Baken384
• icarly jjba jojo bizarre adventure jojo's bizarre adventure jotaro kujo sam puckett
• Replies: 366
• Forum: Versus Threads

 

[Chariot190]

Raiden in an impressive fella, but what can he do against Haki? Not even talking about (iinsert that Madara joke) Kenbunshoku, Mihawk is basically skill juice and Resistance Negation is very f***** up

Raiden beat a dude with precog that eclipses anything in OP 300 times, might even have precog res (Snake does, so does BB, forget if he does too thou). That's beside the point, it's another case of a mismatch. They both just ******* one shot each other. Mihawk atm just precogs one shots because blade mode amp isn't allowed to blitz per speed equal rules, Raiden post whenever the hell we get the funny calc out gets it instead. There is no fight, it's just who taps first.

Idk why EVERY match this dude brings up is a one shot no inbetween quick draw.

 

[Chariot190]

if you want an example of what a real fight looks like, something like this

Thread 'SAM VS JOTARO (3-0-0)'

Dec 2, 2022

Sam Puckett (ICarly) vs Jotaro Kujo (Jojo's Bizarre Adventure)

• 9-B Keys
• Jotaro's Star Platinum is Restricted
• Sam is equipped with the butter sock while Jotaro has his lighter
• Speed Equalized
• Starting Distance: 10 Meters
• Battle takes place at a forest

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• Baken384
• icarly jjba jojo bizarre adventure jojo's bizarre adventure jotaro kujo sam puckett
• Replies: 366
• Forum: Versus Threads

im going to break your toes

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Do you not know what sarcasm is

Do hangedman vs foxy

 

[noninho]

Raiden beat a dude with precog that eclipses anything in OP 300 times, might even have precog res (Snake does, so does BB, forget if he does too thou). That's beside the point, it's another case of a mismatch. They both just ******* one shot each other. Mihawk atm just precogs one shots because blade mode amp isn't allowed to blitz per speed equal rules, Raiden post whenever the hell we get the funny calc out gets it instead. There is no fight, it's just who taps first.

Idk why EVERY match this dude brings up is a one shot no inbetween quick draw.

Most matchups in this forum are ending up being this, unfortunately
Since I'm pretty sure this was accidental, think it's more symptomatic of that than of his quality (or lack of such) in matchmaking

 

[Chariot190]

Most matchups in this forum are ending up being this, unfortunately

Idk why, like just read the profiles, compare what they got, and ask yourself basic questions "Can either instantly end the match?", "will they instantly end the match right away?", "does the other have a counter to instant ending the match that's viable?", "are they even in the same tier, and if not, do they have stuff to mitigate the stat gaps?".

Like holy shit, feels like dudes just pick a character, and then throw a dart to see who it lands on from a popular verse, whether or not it's actually fair.

Since I'm pretty sure this was accidental, think it's more symptomatic of that than of his quality (or lack of such) in matchmaking

I would believe you if he didn't hit me with the "others do it why cant i".

 

[Johner2133451]

Raiden beat a dude with precog that eclipses anything in OP 300 times, might even have precog res (Snake does, so does BB, forget if he does too thou). That's beside the point, it's another case of a mismatch. They both just ******* one shot each other. Mihawk atm just precogs one shots because blade mode amp isn't allowed to blitz per speed equal rules, Raiden post whenever the hell we get the funny calc out gets it instead. There is no fight, it's just who taps first.

Idk why EVERY match this dude brings up is a one shot no inbetween quick draw.

I'm not the one who made this matchup. I just take suggestion from @Deceived3596

 

[Deceived3596]

Chariot doesn't want that One Piece smoke I see.

It seems like the OP enjoys making One Piece match ups. You can always just create in-verse match ups between characters that you would have more knowledge on, so it mitigates the chances of you creating stomp matches. I would recommend doing this and see how it goes. If you want some match ideas, I would ask the OP supporters on the site for suggestions.

 

[Chariot190]

I'm not the one who made this matchup. I just take suggestion from @Deceived3596

You literally did, you're OP. Regardless, this is being noted, if Robo can't get away with it neither can you.

Chariot doesn't want that One Piece smoke I see.

I spent half this thread explaining why shit like this is bad. Just for him to do it anyway.

 

[Arceus0x]

Like just start with tier 9 bruh, make a matchup with Dr. Livesy or sth

 

[Robo432343]

w matchup

 

[Chariot190]

w matchup

audible sigh

 

[Arceus0x]

Anyways for the matchup here Mihawk stomps. He releases a bunch o' big ol' energy slashes that are semi-AOE and causes mass destruction and predicts Raiden's movements and then wins.