Raiden vs Kratos

-speed equal
-30 meters from each other
-endgame MGRR raiden vs Ascension Kratos
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[Axl233]

babump

 

[Axl233]

Raiden fans where you at?

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Ded

 

[Unknownnah]

Raiden fans where you at?

 

[Unknownnah]

Raiden fans where you at?

Also you can vote in your own threads if you want

 

[KLOL506]

No. Kratos' blades are deemed indestructible compared to tier 2 weapons.

Correct. They scale vastly above some of the finest Tier 2 weapons in the Norse side of things (They scale above even Mjolnir and Leviathan Axe) even in their most rudimentary and rusted-to-shit form, and they have magic so potent that they can light up in Helheim where nothing else in the Norse Pantheon can, not even Muspelheim's fire.

 

[Axl233]

Really?No Raiden fans coming to defend your husband? You know what screw it, i will take a try.
Whats stops Raiden from cutting ouruboros into pieces when kratos pulls out of his pocket?Raiden can dodge the arms of hades with his speed boost and skill or cut then with blade mode, Raiden can back off from Zeus lighting before the AOE catches him or kill Kratos before he finishes casting the ability.

 

[KLOL506]

Whats stops Raiden from cutting ouruboros into pieces when kratos pulls out of his pocket?

Kratos having a Rage Boost that can literally outdo time-stop with sheer speed as per WoG? And also Kratos having the Oath Stone of Orkos that can leave behind duplicates. He doesn't need to pull that one out that far to operate it much like Orkos.

Raiden can dodge the arms of hades with his speed boost and skill or cut then with blade mode, Raiden can back off from Zeus lighting before the AOE catches him or kill Kratos before he finishes casting the ability.

Kratos can just shoot those lightning blasts if he so chooses to. Lightning of Zeus isn't solely AoE.

 

[Axl233]

Kratos having a Rage Boost that can literally outdo time-stop with sheer speed as per WoG? And also Kratos having the Oath Stone of Orkos that can leave behind duplicates. He doesn't need to pull that one out that far to operate it much like Orkos.

Source? Did Kratos just got infinite speed with a rage boost or is it just a time stop resistence feat? Even if doesn't pull out the amulet that far,raiden at that moment is still more likely to hit and cut the thing even before the stone of orkos could replace him with a shadow because of his speed adv,a cybernetic AI that gives analytical prediction,shows up the enemies weak spots,where to hit to disarm then more easily, how to counter their next attacks and the fact that raiden is more skilled then this version of Kratos(Kratos in this fight is very early in his journey and he doesn't get those insane skill feats later on where he defeats and outskills the greek gods in combat)

Kratos can just shoot those lightning blasts if he so chooses to. Lightning of Zeus isn't solely AoE.

That would actually make it more easier for him to dodge because i'ts a bolt,instead of a AOE because of the points that i'm bring up above.

 

[KLOL506]

Source?

Did Kratos just got infinite speed with a rage boost or is it just a time stop resistence feat?

Time stop resistance feat but WoG says it was through sheer speed and rage, and Castor and Pollux initially toying with him until they got serious and still lost anyway.

Even if doesn't pull out the amulet that far,raiden at that moment is still more likely to hit and cut the thing even before the stone of orkos could replace him with a shadow

Oath Stone of Orkos isn't a shadow, it's a literal clone that fights for him, alongside him. Kratos need only touch it to activate it.

because of his speed adv,a cybernetic AI that gives analytical prediction,shows up the enemies weak spots,where to hit to disarm then more easily, how to counter their next attacks

I mean, Raiden would have to see him doing those attacks first. Kratos has been known to pull such tricks off without them even noticing in plain sight, seeing as how Kratos tricked Alecto into believing he would attack her, forcing her to dodge, when in fact he was only aiming to steal the Eyes of Truth from her.

and the fact that raiden is more skilled then this version of Kratos(Kratos is very early in his journey and he doesn't get those insane skill feats later on where he defeats and outskills the greek gods in combat)

Kratos gains his skill feats by GOW1's beginning.

That would actually make it more easier for him to dodge because i'ts a bolt,instead of a AOE because of the points that i'm bring up above.

Not necessarily, Kratos gains bolts in GOW1, in Ascension he shoots the bolts with his Blades of Chaos, good luck cutting that.

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Kratos is already a perfect warrior as per Ares after killing his family. So his skill is in same tier as his future god slayer selves... it's just that it doesn't scale that high yet.

How will Raiden know that he needs to cut all these artefacts?? Being able to analyse relatively normal humans and cybernetics is not same as being able to predict or discern high level magical oonga boonga time hax artefact. This is goes for most of Kratos' arsenal. Anything Kratos pulls out will be a surprise for Raiden. There's tons of magical artefacts and abilities for GoW1 Demigod Kratos he has horded since his starting days as a Ares lackey.

 

[KLOL506]

Kratos is already a perfect warrior as per Ares after killing Ares. So his skill is in same tier as his future god slayer selves... it's just that it doesn't scale that high yet.

How will Raiden know that he needs to cut all these artefacts?? Being able to analyse relatively normal humans and cybernetics is not same as being able to predict or discern high level magical oonga boonga time hax artefact. This is goes for most of Kratos' arsenal. Anything Kratos pulls out will be a surprise for Raiden. There's tons of magical artefacts and abilities for GoW1 Demigod Kratos he has horded since his starting days as a Ares lackey.

There's also this to consider.

 

[Axl233]

Time stop resistance feat but WoG says it was through sheer speed and rage, and Castor and Pollux initially toying with him until they got serious and still lost anyway.

Fair.I'm could see Kratos getting angry enough to the point he blitzes Raiden back, that would be another wincon, but he would need to drag the fight for some more minutes so his rage could kick in, i'ts only a matter of surving until Kratos gets as angry as he can and turns the fight to his favor, but until at that point he would have to the deal with Raiden's 10x speed boost blitzing and make sure he doesn't get cutted in half like butter by the HF blade.He would detected a arm movement with analytical prediction and see kratos pulling out a strange device.

Oath Stone of Orkos isn't a shadow, it's a literal clone that fights for him, alongside him. Kratos need only touch it to activate it.

Point about covers this.

I mean, Raiden would have to see him doing those attacks first. Kratos has been known to pull such tricks off without them even noticing in plain sight, seeing as how Kratos tricked Alecto into believing he would attack her, forcing her to dodge, when in fact he was only aiming to steal the Eyes of Truth from her.

This is Ripper Mode raiden who is auto-bloodlusted he would not play around like so many that perished against kratos did and give no opportunity to pull out his shit before he cuts him off, plus his AI was able to defend him against a Armstrong fake out before, when he tried to attack him while he was busy cutting off some shit that he threw at him.

Not necessarily, Kratos gains bolts in GOW1, in Ascension he shoots the bolts with his Blades of Chaos, good luck cutting that.

Bolts of Zeus and AOE thunder of Zeus is not thought based, they need a gesture for Kratos to activate and in that delay of time Raiden would had already cut him with Blade mode or Gtfo away with his speed.

 

[Greatsage13th]

Inconclusive

 

[Axl233]

Kratos is already a perfect warrior as per Ares after killing his family. So his skill is in same tier as his future god slayer selves... it's just that it doesn't scale that high yet.

No, i'm don't think thats how it works, skill feats of the protagonist scale alongside as the narrative progresses, Kratos becomes much better at fighting with each foe(those foes being stronger and more skilled then the ones before then) he defeats in his progress.Kratos with his mindset and tatics from the beginning of his story are not equal to when fought Zeus and the other gods in GOW 3.

 

[KLOL506]

Fair.I'm could see Kratos getting angry enough to the point he blitzes Raiden back, that would be another wincon, but he would need to drag the fight for some more minutes so his rafe could kick in, i'ts only a matter of surving until Kratos gets as angry as he can and turns the fight to his favor, but until at that point he would have to the deal with Raiden's 10x speed boost blitzing and make sure he doesn't get cutted in half like butter by the HF blade.

Doesn't take long to kick in, mere seconds.

That and he has Reactive Evolution incoming.

He would detected a arm movement with analytical prediction and see kratos pulling out a strange device.

Still magic that Raiden wouldn't be able to fully analyze until after it's already been used.

Point about covers this.

This is Ripper Mode raiden who is auto-bloodlusted he would not play around like so many that perished against kratos did and give no opportunity to pull out his shit before he cuts him off, plus his AI was able to defend him against a Armstrong fake out before, when he tried to attack him while he was busy cutting off some shit that he threw at him.

Kratos in Rage Mode also becomes auto-bloodlusted and can literally power through most of the hax that he's shown being Resistant against, and he even gets a greater power boost as a result.

Bolts of Zeus and AOE thunder of Zeus is not thought based, they need a gesture for Kratos to activate and in that delay of time Raiden would had already cut him with Blade mode or Gtfo away with his speed.

Kratos would normally use them as a fall-back method to gain range between them.

No, i'm don't think thats how it works, skill feats of the protagonist scale alongside as the narrative progresses, Kratos becomes much better at fighting with each foe(those foes being stronger and more skilled then the ones before then) he defeats in his progress.Kratos with his mindset and tatics from the beginning of his story are not equal to when fought Zeus and the other gods in GOW 3.

Incorrect, Kratos was already one of the finest battle tacticians the day he rose to the ranks of the Spartans, it's what allowed him to become the youngest general in Spartan history. The only thing he really lacked was the Olympian strength the other gods possessed. Without that he'd have no chance in hell against the other gods regardless of his versatility in combat and with weapons.

If the whole "Perfect Warrior" declaration by Ares isn't enough, 10 years of servitude to the Gods alone still wouldn't be anywhere near enough to challenge someone like Ares who had thousands of years of battle experience and is the literal embodiment of War, and Kratos had that massive skill gap and yet he persevered until Ares played mind tricks and haxxed him out of his powers, but once Kratos got his hands on the Blade of the Gods, he was able to best Ares and ultimately defeat him.

 

[BEASTHEART8800]

Isn't this Ascension Kratos being used here tho?

 

[KLOL506]

Isn't this Ascension Kratos being used here tho?

Ascension Kratos doesn't necessarily exist as a key anymore. It's all Demigod now.

Regardless, shouldn't matter, Ares himself considers Kratos to be the perfect warrior by the time he killed his family, and him pulling it off given the right power-ups and strength shows for it that his skill wouldn't be any worse than when he bested Ares himself.

 

[BEASTHEART8800]

True, but I'm sure it's still allowed to single out certain versions, but you might be right on the Skill point.

 

[KLOL506]

True, but I'm sure it's still allowed to single out certain versions, but you might be right on the Skill point.

Actually, not even that. If it doesn't change tiers, it's not allowed to single out versions if it means getting rid of other equipment.

 

[BEASTHEART8800]

Well, shit. Kratos deconstructs with Poseidon's rage then.

Or petrifies with Medusa's head.

 

[KLOL506]

Well, shit. Kratos deconstructs with Poseidon's rage then.

Or petrifies with Medusa's head.

Medusa's head is too slow to maintain perfect aim and to petrify quickly enough, and Poseidon's Rage requires his target to be in close proximity to him.

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

@Axl233
Kratos was groomed by Ares in Athena's own words to murder Zeus... Athena herself groomed Kratos to kill Ares. With narrative of Kratos being made perfect warrior in Ares' own plan it all makes sense, and this all before Kratos breaks his oath in Ascension.
Lets look at his resume up untill the moment Kratos opened Pandora's Box.
Outsmarted and killed Furies, who while not as strong as them are in same skill tier.
Faught the combined forces of Persephone( a full fledged goddess) and Atlas empowered with Flames... which originally belonged to his brother Hyperion...so he is almost as strong as his prime self. And yet managed to defeat Persephone and outmaneuvre Atlas. For context Atlas was only defeated by combined might of Hades and Posiedon in Titanomachy-2.
Come GoW1, he is already capable of fighting Ares, since this Kratos is just before he opens the box and fights Ares, and Ares also has some busted Accelerated Development and Clairvoyance to boot, still got murked tho.

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Medusa's head is too slow to maintain perfect aim and to petrify quickly enough, and Poseidon's Rage requires his target to be in close proximity to him.

Gorgon heads can do AoE flashesa and Raiden is a CQC fighter.... one single thought of activating the rage and Raiden can be murked.

 

[KLOL506]

Gorgon heads can do AoE flashes and Raiden is a CQC fighter.... one single thought of activating the rage and Raiden can be murked.

Oh right, forgot about Gorgon Rage.

 

[Axl233]

Doesn't take long to kick in, mere seconds.

That and he has Reactive Evolution incoming.

Since all of then are fighting in absurd high speeds at the start of the fight, plus Raiden who starts by spamming stat amps, mere seconds would last a lot longer in his perspective, that would give him more time to **** up Kratos over , before he stat checks Raiden with rage boost.BTW Raiden has his own Accelerated Development that can kick in this fight, he was able to cut through Armstrong body before the nanomachines could cover up him in time to block his strikes, before that not even blade+ripper mode 10x speed amp was enough to blitz the nanomachines.

Still magic that Raiden wouldn't be able to fully analyze until after it's already been used.

Don't need to, doing the action of pulling out, is enough for the AI to mark Kratos hands or arm joints with a big ass red square indicating >>>PLEASE HIT ME<<<, also the fact that it's a device that even sci-fi tec cannot comprehend would just give in a massive red flag giving him even more reasons for him to not let Kratos activate that thing and cut his arms into pieces before he has any chance to so.

Kratos in Rage Mode also becomes auto-bloodlusted and can literally power through most of the hax that he's shown being Resistant against, and he even gets a greater power boost as a result.

But Kratos in GOW hasn't show to resist or tank anything that has the same ability as the HF blade, who would be completely alien to him because i'ts a futuristic tech that manip quantum bonds to cut through anything like butter.

Gorgon heads can do AoE flashesa and Raiden is a CQC fighter.... one single thought of activating the rage and Raiden can be murked.

Here is a small little problem,none of Kratos hacks are thought based or happen on a instant.
Ouroborus:need to pull out the amulet out of his pocket.
Medusa:same thing as well,plus he needs to charge up the blast for a few seconds before blasting the area with petrification
Zeus Lightning:either grinds his blades to summon the AOE or lift up his hand to get lightning bolts and throw at the guy.
Hands of Hades/Ghosts of Hades:grinds the chaos blades with a delay.
Poseidon's Rage:Jump and summon the eletricity.

Raiden would see all of those activations in slow motion and chop Kratos in those moments, he would see Zeus/poseidon lightning in slow motion as well, back the **** off and engage into CQC range again when i'ts done.He has 2 opportunities to do all that things that i mentioned, because
a 5x speed diff is enough to blitz already and Raiden has double of that.

 

[KLOL506]

Since all of then are fighting in absurd high speeds at the start of the fight, plus Raiden who starts by spamming stat amps, mere seconds would last a lot longer in his perspective, that would give him more time to **** up Kratos over , before he stat checks Raiden with rage boost.BTW Raiden has his own Accelerated Development that can kick in this fight, he was able to cut through Armstrong body before the nanomachines could cover up him in time to block his strikes, before that not even blade+ripper mode 10x speed amp was enough to blitz the nanomachines.

Rage Boost is constantly active for Kratos due to his constant nightmares.

Don't need to, doing the action of pulling out, is enough for the AI to mark Kratos hands or arm joints with a big ass red square indicating >>>PLEASE HIT ME<<<, also the fact that it's a device that even sci-fi tec cannot comprehend would just give in a massive red flag giving him even more reasons for him to not let Kratos activate that thing and cut his arms into pieces before he has any chance to so.

Arm joints are protected by Tier 3/2 chains.

But Kratos in GOW hasn't show to resist or tank anything that has the same ability as the HF blade, who would be completely alien to him because i'ts a futuristic tech that manip quantum bonds to cut through anything like butter.

Again, his chains and blades are straight up Tier 3/2 in durability. Trying to attack his forearms would spell career suicide for Raiden.

And Kratos has the ability to be able to master pretty much any kind of weapon on contact, and literally murked a guy like Ares who thanks to his clairvoyance would have knowledge of all future battles and tech. Kratos fighting against weapons alien to him at first is nothing new to him.

Here is a small little problem,none of Kratos hacks are thought based or happen on a instant.

Incorrect. Rage of the Gods, which further amplifies his Rage and Power, is thought based, and temporarily grants him infinite magic. Poseidon's Magic is also thought-based, it's the Magic that propels him into the air, he doesn't do it himself.

Ouroborus:need to pull out the amulet out of his pocket.
Medusa:same thing as well,plus he needs to charge up the blast for a few seconds before blasting the area with petrification
Zeus Lightning:either grinds his blades to summon the AOE or lift up his hand to get lightning bolts and throw at the guy.

Thing is, he does those things with a bit of distance from his enemies.

And his hands are still protected with Tier 3/2 chains.

Poseidon's Rage:Jump and summon the eletricity.

Poseidon's Rage propels him automatically and the ability itself is activated via thought.

Raiden would see all of those activations in slow motion and chop Kratos in those moments, he would see Zeus/poseidon lightning in slow motion as well, back the **** off and engage into CQC range again when i'ts done.He has 2 opportunities to do all that things that i mentioned, because
a 5x speed diff is enough to blitz already and Raiden has double of that.

Kratos pretty much has his rage keep him in check from the get-go.

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Speed boost isn't an automatic victory. Distance and time matter, objects that multiple times relatively fast can still be reacted to in small ways... especially thoughts. And correct me if I am wrong, blade mode is reaction and combat speed boost, travel speed is still normal?? So if Kratos sees Raiden coming at him in relative speed but crazy speed of his attacks... thats just invitation for Kratos to use time hax.

Also Kratos doesn't need to put his hands in deep pockets to pull stuff. He magically summons it to hands or swaps weapons. Its dead easy to switcharoo... and Kratos has shown to use item based magics with thoughts of channel through weapons. So he has options here. Amulet of Fates could be used with thoughts in GoW2 novel ( so Ouroborus can be used similarly) and Posiedon's Rage can be channeled through Blades or shot as beam, also Posiedon's Rage has soul destruction.... so there's that. Along with various ways to Hades soul summon and hand summon and doppelganger, Kratos can run lot of interference for distraction or overwhelming with crowd.

This is my last comment today, my phone battery is about to die and there is no electricity in house to charge..
I will appear tomorrow.

 

[Unknownnah]

And correct me if I am wrong, blade mode is reaction and combat speed boost, travel speed is still normal??

He can move in Blade Mode

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

I never said he couldn't move, I asked if Blade Mode boosts travel speed also.

 

[Axl233]

Rage Boost is constantly active for Kratos due to his constant nightmares.

You said before the he only gets rage boost after a few seconds and not constantly activated, in all of his other fights Kratos needed a little bit of time to build up his rage and stat stomp his enemies, while Raiden can insta activate Reaper and Blade Mode in the fight.If Kratos was constantly in rage mode he would one shot every enemy that he fights.

Arm joints are protected by Tier 3/2 chains.


Again, his chains and blades are straight up Tier 3/2 in durability. Trying to attack his forearms would spell career suicide for Raiden.

cool it gets blocked in that specific spot and now he has hundreds of different spots that he can cut, this is basically how a flurry of slashes happen.

Incorrect. Rage of the Gods, which further amplifies his Rage and Power, is thought based, and temporarily grants him infinite magic. Poseidon's Magic is also thought-based, it's the Magic that propels him into the air, he doesn't do it himself.


Thing is, he does those things with a bit of distance from his enemies.


Poseidon's Rage propels him automatically and the ability itself is activated via thought.

He doesn't use poseidon's rage 1v1,but only when he is facing a massive group of enemies,more likely that he would use his other skill,Raiden can easily close the distance and blade mode at the same time he is launched into the air.

Speed boost isn't an automatic victory. Distance and time matter, objects that multiple times relatively fast can still be reacted to in small ways... especially thoughts. And correct me if I am wrong, blade mode is reaction and combat speed boost, travel speed is still normal?? So if Kratos sees Raiden coming at him in relative speed but crazy speed of his attacks... thats just invitation for Kratos to use time hax.

Launches himself while blade mode is activated, he doesn't have a time limit with Blade Mode while in Ripper Mode canonically and even if he did,end game Raiden has fuel cells and infinite fuel items, there is nothing stopping Raiden from constantly leaping and dashing to him, getting close enough to him to put a speedblitz into motion. Kratos is 10x times slower, he gets turned into sushi.

Also Kratos doesn't need to put his hands in deep pockets to pull stuff. He magically summons it to hands or swaps weapons. Its dead easy to switcharoo... and Kratos has shown to use item based magics with thoughts of channel through weapons. So he has options here. Amulet of Fates could be used with thoughts in GoW2 novel ( so Ouroborus can be used similarly) and Posiedon's Rage can be channeled through Blades or shot as beam, also Posiedon's Rage has soul destruction.... so there's that. Along with various ways to Hades soul summon and hand summon and doppelganger, Kratos can run lot of interference for distraction or overwhelming with crowd.

He needs to summon his artifacts>after that activate then.
while in the gap in time between those 2 actions, Raiden starts slashing and destroys his equipment,i'ts a quick draw match situation,only problem is that the other guy has a massive speed advantage from the start and has a machine that can pinpoit the exact spot where he needs to shoot to disarm the guy.
Hands of Hades gets one shotted by Blade Mode.
Raiden either one shot before Poseidon Rage activates or back off of the AOE(he would see the lightning in slow motion) and get back into CQC range.

 

[KLOL506]

You said before the he only gets rage boost after a few seconds and not constantly activated, in all of his other fights Kratos needed a little bit of time to build up his rage and stat stomp his enemies,while Raiden can insta activate Reaper and Blade Mode in the fight.If Kratos was constantly in rage mode he would one shot every enemy that he fights.

The stat amp takes a few seconds to even less depending on whether Kratos wants to go all out, but his actual rage in his mind is constant as per the novels. The rage building up is game mechanics.

cool it gets blocked in that specific spot and now he has hundreds of different spots that he can cut, this is basically how a flurry of slashes happen.https://youtu.be/ibZ7QJrEf80?t=992

That's assuming Kratos will let him get near him before he activates his range-based hax.

He doesn't use poseidon's rage 1v1,but only when he is facing a massive group of enemies,more likely that he would use his other skill,Raiden can easily close the distance and blade mode at the same time he is launched into the air.

Wrong. He used Poseidon's Rage on the Hydra in GoW1 and the Colossus in GoW2 extensively without mercy. Army of Hades is what he'd use for crowd control.

That or the Oath Stone of Orkos.

Launches himself while blade mode is activated, he doesn't have a time limit with Blade Mode while in Ripper Mode canonically and even if he did,end game Raiden has fuel cells and infinite fuel items, there is nothing stopping Raiden from constantly leaping and dashing to him, getting close enough to him to put a speedblitz into motion. Kratos is 10x times slower, he gets turned into sushi.

Pushing Kratos over the edge will eventually cause his Rage Stat Amp to kick in. Or Kratos can just subconsciously choose to give in to his rage and kick it off right then and there.

He needs to summon his artifacts>after that activate then.

Weapon Summoning for Kratos is thought-based. They automatically appear on his hand as a result, and Oath Stone is contact-based, the moment Kratos touches it, it activates.

while in the gap in time between those 2 actions, Raiden starts slashing and destroys his equipment,i'ts a quick draw match situation,only problem is that the other guy has a massive speed advantage from the start and has a machine that can pinpoit the exact spot where he needs to shoot to disarm the guy.
Hands of Hades gets one shotted by Blade Mode.
Raiden either one shot before Poseidon Rage activates or back off of the AOE(he would see the lightning in slow motion) and get back into CQC range.

If Raiden backs off then Kratos gives in to his Rage and gets the Rage Amp.

Also Kratos is gonna get Reactive Evolution added to him eventually in the upcoming upgrades. Not sure how much further that'll take him but it's there.

 

[Axl233]

The stat amp takes a few seconds to even less depending on whether Kratos wants to go all out, but his actual rage in his mind is constant as per the novels. The rage building up is game mechanics.

Pushing Kratos over the edge will eventually cause his Rage Stat Amp to kick in. Or Kratos can just subconsciously choose to give in to his rage and kick it off right then and there.

Yeah sure, Kratos once his rage kicks in he stat checks, but the argument that i'm trying to make is that he will not get the opportunity to activate it, HF dura negs in a atomic level and Raiden's slashes cover range is absurd, one strike from the blade can inta-kill Kratos, either decapitating him or bisecting him.

That's assuming Kratos will let him get near him before he activates his range-based hax.


Wrong. He used Poseidon's Rage on the Hydra in GoW1 and the Colossus in GoW2 extensively without mercy. Army of Hades is what he'd use for crowd control.

Weapon Summoning for Kratos is thought-based. They automatically appear on his hand as a result, and Oath Stone is contact-based, the moment Kratos touches it, it activates.

I'm was talking about Kratos activating Poseidon's rage or using his artifacts before Raiden or at the same time, wich in this situation he doesn't, Raiden closes the gap and kills him before he even realizing whats going on,if you pointing a gun at the head of a guy with a combat knife who is 10x faster then you would still lose, before your brain could even send eletricity to your body to pull the trigger that mf would had already cut your throat 50 times and you would die.Same logic applies here.

If Raiden backs off then Kratos gives in to his Rage and gets the Rage Amp.

Also Kratos is gonna get Reactive Evolution added to him eventually in the upcoming upgrades. Not sure how much further that'll take him but it's there.

even if Kratos had his reactive evolution here i would doubt that it would save him from a speed blitz, Raiden like i said before has his own Accelerated Development as well, he outspeeded Armstrong Nanomachines wich ones blitzed Blade mode+Ripper mode 10x multiplier before.

 

[KLOL506]

Yeah sure, Kratos once his rage kicks in he stat checks, but the argument that i'm trying to make is that he will not get the opportunity to activate it, HF dura negs in a atomic level and Raiden's slashes cover range is absurd, one strike from the blade can inta-kill Kratos, either decapitating him or bisecting him.

I'm was talking about Kratos activating Poseidon's rage or using his artifacts before Raiden or at the same time, wich in this situation he doesn't, Raiden closes the gap and kills him before he even realizing whats going on,if you pointing a gun at the head of a guy with a combat knife who is 10x faster then you would still lose, before your brain could even send eletricity to your body to pull the trigger that mf would had already cut your throat 50 times alread and you would die.Same logic applies here.

Depends on how far the dude with the gun is.

even if Kratos had his reactive evolution here i would doubt that it would save him from a speed blitz, Raiden like i said before has his own Accelerated Development as well, he outspeeded Armstrong Nanomachines wich ones blitzed Blade mode+Ripper mode 10x multiplier before.

It saved Kratos from Teleportation, Time Stop, Time Slow, Time Age and all that other shit by literally making him faster over the course of the fight so uh...

That and he would scale to his Norse self in that regard (Who is essentially Tier 3/2 in terms of AP and dura and retains Infinite Speed from his GoW self but in terms of hax is even worse off than he was in the beginning of Ascension save for his own Accelerated Development from his GoW days and Reactive Evolution from his Ascension and GoW2 days which have since remained unchanged), given that he literally turned his fight against Baldur around in mere seconds whereas previously he couldn't lay any significant hits on him that would even daze him.

 

[Recon1511]

Pretty sure speed equalized matches where the slower participant wins with an speed amp are not allowed

 

[KLOL506]

Pretty sure speed equalized matches where the slower participant wins with an speed amp are not allowed

Were such matches banned? I thought they were allowed.

 

[Axl233]

Pretty sure speed equalized matches where the slower participant wins with an speed amp are not allowed

Kratos is slower my guy in this key my guy.

 

[KLOL506]

Kratos is slower my guy in this key my guy.

You missed the point.

He states that in speed-equal matches, the match is apparently invalid if one of the characters in the fight can win using speed amps while the other can't.

 

[Axl233]

You missed the point.

He states that in speed-equal matches, the match is apparently invalid if one of the characters in the fight can win using speed amps while the other can't.

From what i got,only if the guy using the amps base speed is slower then his opponent, idk i gonna check out.

 

[Recon1511]

Kratos is slower my guy in this key my guy.

I dunno it says he is FTL as well