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Character | Attack Potency | Votes |
Mettaton SPIRAL | 0.60 Tons of TNT | 1 |
Blackjack | >0.66 Tons of TNT | 4 |
Inconclusive | 0 |
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Character | Attack Potency | Votes |
Mettaton SPIRAL | 0.60 Tons of TNT | 1 |
Blackjack | >0.66 Tons of TNT | 4 |
Inconclusive | 0 |
How weird. I don't see any on Mettaton's pageI noticed that Mettaton and a lot of Inverted fate pages seem to inexplicably have + ratings despite there being no feat or multiplier to indicate as such (and they have like, .5 tons between their feat and the + baseline anyways)
Ok, so they can control a dead body that is not resisting them, that's cool.Mettaton's ghost form is featless, so I think destroying his body would still count as incap
Although, Mettaton can control his body even when it runs out of battery, so hacking it probably won't do much
Temporal Manipulation & Danmaku (Records attacks and rewinds them, likely catching a person who doesn't have a 360 vision) - SATS helps with avoid these projectiles since her perception speed amped greatly and since speed is equalized her Teleportation is actually super good at dodging attacks.
Smoke manipulation and Melee attacks with Temporal Manipulation is countered by E.F.S which means she always knows where Mettaton is...
Except for when Mettaton uses their ability to try and jam her Pipbuck.
Not how her body works, Blackjack hacking is almost amusing, yet extremely out of character and beyond her.Blackjack can also attempt to hack Mettaton, considering their entire body is just magical tech, just like her Pipbuck.
Oh, if Pipbuck is restricted then, nevermind about the hacking.All Characters I submitted had their Pipbucks restricted due to SATS.
Not how her body works, Blackjack hacking is almost amusing, yet extremely out of character and beyond her.
As for her body itself, it was created using the blood/extract of Discord, before being magically altered and processed, into a ""seemingly mindless, soulless blank template"" who when given DNA samples would adopt the traits of the donor to a near tee. The only differences being that body is stronger, is completely impervious to Discords highly toxic blood, and the body is unable to procreate.
(The character linked is not Blackjacks clone body and has nothing to do with that, said character is simply the most famous "Blank"and of the stories best characters.)
What does Mettaton usually start with?
A monster's body will have their defenses weakened if they refuse to fight against the opponent, and will get even more vulnerable if said opponent has an extreme desire to kill, although Mettaton's body being made of mostly metal rather than magic reduces the effects of said weaknessWeak against murderous intentions
The weakness probably won't help much, Mettaton's body doesn't even melt when he becomes an AmalgamateIt should be noted that Mettaton upscales over his AP value (Mettaton SPIRAL has an immense attack value of 70 while holding back, thus stronger than Undyne's and Mad Mew Mew's 50 ATK, the former of whom performed the 0.60 Tons feat) and is far more durable than his AP (Undyne builts her robots with durability in mind, and MTT isn't an exception. This is demonstrated by him being completely unaffected by any of Frisk's attacks during his playable fight. Mad Mew Mew, who should be around as durable as him, no-sells an attack ("betrayal kill") Frisk that exploits her weakness which lets a far weaker Frisk one-shot Toriel, who has a defense value of 80 like Asgore, who's so superior to characters like previous timeline Undyne (50 ATK) to the point where she considers herself killing Frisk to be mercy compared to what Asgore could do)
TL;DR: Mettaton SPIRAL's durability >>> Frisk exploiting Monster Weakness >>> Asgore/Toriel > Mettaton SPIRAL >> Undyne/Mad MewMew > 0.60 Tons
(>>> being one-shots and no-sells)
Yeah, Frisk with the same equipment is able to harm Toriel while not trying to kill and could theoretically break Undyne's weaker CORE robots (The weakest of which have 83 DEF [ie higher than Toriel and Asgore] and don't have monster weaknesses) and yet couldn't harm Mad Mew Mew even with the "betrayal hit"So Mettatons durability is still far higher than what he himself can dish out even with that weakness in mind? Correct me if I'm wrong.
CountedI think I'll officially make a call towards Mettaton's favor
while SOUL attacks aren't super durability negating, they'd still help against someone who beats out Metatton's raw AP like Blackjack and they don't have any resistance to it, meanwhile Mettaton's far up enough in the chain durability wise to at least be able to withstand what Blackjack can dish out and throw it back out with his swarm of projectiles. Teleporting helps, but they only seem capable of doing it a limited number of times before it causes problems, and this is actually a situation where Danmaku would be very useful by making the places Blackjack can even warp to to really get out of harm's way very limited
Arguing that an ability that blatantly helps avoid the worst of Mettaton's kit (spatial manipulation to lock her down in an area) is somehow a detrimental is a big reach.Teleporting helps, but they only seem capable of doing it a limited number of times before it causes problems, and this is actually a situation where Danmaku would be very useful by making the places Blackjack can even warp to to really get out of harm's way very limited
I... didn't say it was a detriment, just that the conditions made it have a lot less efficacy. I honestly just forgot Mettaton cutting the battlebox down was a thing he did, which is why I didn't mention that either but guess it cancels out with Blackjack just teleporting outArguing that an ability that blatantly helps avoid the worst of Mettaton's kit (spatial manipulation to lock her down in an area) is somehow a detrimental is a big reach.
Oh, fair enough.I... didn't say it was a detriment, just that the conditions made it have a lot less efficacy. I honestly just forgot Mettaton cutting the battlebox down was a thing he did, which is why I didn't mention that either but guess it cancels out with Blackjack just teleporting out
All non-blue/orange attacks in UT are tangible due to this, aside maybe Sans' attacks? Pretty sure even that was removed awhile agoThere's questions I have for a lot of undertale fights of this manner (looking at the fight gifs), such as: are the projectiles intangible? Are they a 360 attack radius? How much experience do they have in actually avoiding attacks?
I understand mechanics are lifted in these fights, but it leads to these super important questions to make a clear argument.
Ok! Thank you! That actually helps alot!All non-blue/orange attacks in UT are tangible due to this, aside maybe Sans' attacks? Pretty sure even that was removed awhile ago
IF is in the same boat, although there's some grey area with the White Swords, since their counterpart, the Previous Timeline's legs, are called "laser-leg(s)"
The bombs and Mettaton's "final, most explosive attack" are AoE
The swords, blocks, electric bolts and homing heart-projectiles, are well, projectiles (The drills seem to just form from the ground and walls)
Frisk or Mettaton? Probably the latter, right?
Monsters express themselves with danmaku and their "attacks" are akin to greeting cards (This includes Woshua spiraling patterns of dozens water-drop bullets or Vulkin firing dozens of bolts at a wide angle) and as such monsters are experienced at dodging danmaku-based attacks.
Monsters are far less prepared for like, physical attacks, since they aren't familiar enough with human fighting patterns to know how to read and anticipate them, although the Waterfall Incident and having an actual human to help them made the Royal Guard's training put a LOT more emphasis on proper evasion against humans (Mettaton isn't part of the Royal Guard, so this shouldn't really apply tho)
As for Frisk, they are really good at dodging danmaku, so Mettaton landing hits on them is pretty impressive
This sadly isn't the case since she's not locked down in any area of Central Park, she can teleport across the whole area just to avoid those bombs if she needs to. That being said, I don't think she'll come out unscathed, and will be a longer fight since she can't mow them down with killing intent amp and the scaling chain.DMUA said: making the places Blackjack can even warp to to really get out of harm's way very limited
CountedThat's all to say, I vote for Blackjack.