Question about Void Dark's AP

[Yojimbo1989]

So it says that Void Dark is capable of defeating Overlords that are capable of recreating the Big Bang with ease and is therefore 3-A. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't creating the Big Bang a Low 2-C feat since it involves creating a spacetime as well?

 

[Cropfist]

Several pages have tier 3 stats for Big Bang feats.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

It varies, it can go from multi-galaxy level, to universe level from what i have seen, however it's usually not anything more than 3-A, unless it specifically mentions that it involves space-time i think.

 

[FateAlbane]

Description of the Big Bang in Disgaea D2 says something around the lines of "Travel through space and time to rock this universe again" but...

1. I'm not sure how people would rate that.

2. I can't seem to find the description of the skill ANYWHERE online, only the skill itself.

 

[FateAlbane]

Taken directly from my screen since I legit didn't find it ANYWHERE online.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Time travel through space and time to rock this universe again? Idk how to rate that, probably need more than that, travelling through space-time =/= to creating space-time itself.

 

[FateAlbane]

I don't know either. The only character I remember as being able to literally destroy space-time would probably be The Devourlord at the end of the Demon Path, when s/he reduced both worlds to literal nothingness (And that's understandable since at that point they had all of Gig's power and in 90% of Gig's appearances he usually stomps).

Taking Alexander, God of Destruction in Makai Kingdom as an example, he is one of the more powerful Overlords out there, yet in one bad ending he destroyed all Worlds and then... Was doomed to wander the Empty Cosmos alone, for billions of years . Hence, space-time was still there.

 

[FateAlbane]

And on the matter of Gig, Laharl himself said that he can't even comprehend his powers.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Well if that's the case then i don't think we can bump them to low 2-C then.

 

[Jesterofgames]

@FateAlbane Couldn't evil Mao also possibly Be low 2-C I mean it depends on what the Ending means by Everything

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jsUqExuK4PY Fastfoward to 15:36 if you wanna see the quote in video "and then There was no one No netherworld, No human world, No celestia. Everything dissapered And was gone"

 

[FateAlbane]

@Jesterofgames Debatable, I guess.

In Soul Nomad they state many times that the world would fade into Nothingness (backed up even more in the end because Haephnes and Drazil - gods of both worlds - were stating it) as they were destroyed.

In Mao's case, it can probably be argued - see Alexander above, who destroyed "everything" but the Empty Cosmos was still there. And Alexander at that point was > Zetta, who is usually hyped to be "The Strongest Overlord" (though I doubt Zetta > Zenon).

 

[Jesterofgames]

Strongest over lord is thrown around like candy in the disgaea Universe TBF The Hero Calls Mao the strongest overlord People say maos dad is the strongest overlord (Keep in mind maos Offical age is 1587 and Zetta is over 30000 to an unknown number) We can't take the statment of strongest overlord At all seirously due to how much it's thrown around Also Unlike Alexander's ending There is No mention of a cosmos in Maos ending They just say "Everything Disapered and was gone" after stating 3 separate planets (Possibly universes) were straight up wiped out Granted space time could still be there We just don't know

 

[FateAlbane]

And that's why I said it sounds debatable to me. I'm pretty neutral in regards to this, honestly but from what I know about the verse I'm leaning more on 3-A. If people think what we currently have is worth the upgrade to Low 2-C, I'm fine with that.

If not, I'm okay with it too.

 

[Jesterofgames]

Same However The Diffrence between Alexander's Ending and maos is Alexander was looking for an opponent while seemingly systematically wiping out planets and stars and such While it's more or less implied Mao took them all out in one shot And It's stated that the empty cosmos still existed in Alexander's

In maos we got an kinda ambiguous "Everything is gone"

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

Sorry for being late to this discussion, so this will count as a bump.

But anyways... Maybe an " At least 3-A, possibly Low 2-C " could work for the Overlords, since they are all around comparable ( obviously things can be different ) . However, this would bump the God Toer to an At least before her tier as well . It was ... Trenia wasn't it ? Well ... an Low 2-C can be much stronger than a Low 2-C, so that argument isn't valid.

 

[ThePerpetual]

I know this is sort of a necro, but yeah... I was actually wondering this myself, since in some instances Big Bang's description specifically mentions the attack effect even the space-time of the world. On top of that, both Mao and Zetta have what might be Low 2-C feats/scaling. I'll look into this?

 

[Jesterofgames]

@perp

theres also Gig from soul nomad Who's power was mostly used to "destroy worlds into nothing"

ive heard that that apparently The worlds refure to Universe In that game

and True Zenon did block an attack from him