• This forum is strictly intended to be used by members of the VS Battles wiki. Please only register if you have an autoconfirmed account there, as otherwise your registration will be rejected. If you have already registered once, do not do so again, and contact Antvasima if you encounter any problems.

    For instructions regarding the exact procedure to sign up to this forum, please click here.
  • We need Patreon donations for this forum to have all of its running costs financially secured.

    Community members who help us out will receive badges that give them several different benefits, including the removal of all advertisements in this forum, but donations from non-members are also extremely appreciated.

    Please click here for further information, or here to directly visit our Patreon donations page.
  • Please click here for information about a large petition to help children in need.

Question about speed

The Everlasting said:
I'm not going to argue with that, as it's already set by our rules for Infinite speed that we don't allow it.

Also, why would traveling to a place without space-time kill you?
Click to expand...
Because normally, you were born in the universe, therefore whatever there is to sustain your existence is within the universe. Basically we live because of the laws of spacetime. In place without those "laws" our survival is not certain.
 
Then why can't ordinary people live in space? Same concept.
 
Because there's no air? That has nothing to do with the laws of the universe.

If you go to a place without time, you'll still live, you'll just be stuck frozen forever.
 
you'll just be stuck frozen forever.

And if you can move and so on in a place without time, then it's like you was born in a place without time. Right?
 
That's without time. This is without space and time. A.k.a the Void. In other words "nothingness" in some cases.
 
@A6

It's probably PIS.

@Sera

Why's this even relevant.

TL;DR just traveling to a place without space-time isn't quantifiable, living there is.
 
Infinite Speed (Able to move indefinitely while time literally stands still, or to travel anywhere instantly. Teleportation does not count.) Going by this i agree with Ever, if the person can travel from a place with space-time to a place that doesn't have any, it would be unquantifiable imo.
 
living there is.

Character can move, speak, etc in a place without space-time = character can live in a place without space-time.
 
You cannot "live" in a void without spacetime. Your very body is composed of the components of space (in some cases even your abstract existence). That's like existing in nonexistence. It's not possible unless you have the same attributes as the nonexistence or your resistant to it. It's common for a character to survive universal destruction and move in a timeless void, that's an outlier let's say. It's nonsensical unless you can naturally survive without space or time.
 
@A6

Unless you can show the persion living there indefinitely, it doesn't count.

@Ven

This is fiction, anything is possible. Those are just semantics using "logic".

Existing in nonexistence is a thing many fictions do have (To Aru for example), the feat isn't suddenly invalidated because of it.
 
It's probably PIS.

Not again, please. You can mark as PIS everything that you don't like. It's just not constructive.
 
Unless you can show the persion living there indefinitely, it doesn't count.

Why?
 
A6colute said:
It's probably PIS.Not again, please. You can mark as PIS everything that you don't like. It's just not constructive.
Click to expand...
Please don't accuse me of things I didn't say.

"Why?"

Because it doesn't abide by our rules for Infinite speed.
 
Because it doesn't abide by our rules for Infinite speed.

And where said that he must live in a place without space-time indefinitely?

Moreover, "living in" doesn't mean "living in indefinitely".
 
Why would you have to naturally exist in a void without space time just to be able to have infinite speed? If you can naturally live there or adapt to it, it's basically the same thing.
 
"Moving within a timeless void is not a sufficient justification for receiving the infinite speed rating. This is a rather common plot convenience within fiction, such as after a universe has been destroyed, or when travelling outside of regular space-time, and is generally strongly contradicted by all regular speed feats. In order to qualify, a character must be a natural part of that type of environment."

Speed page on Infinite Speed
 
Pardon?

Unless you can show the persion living there indefinitely, it doesn't count.
 
VenomElite said:
Why would you have to naturally exist in a void without space time just to be able to have infinite speed? If you can naturally live there or adapt to it, it's basically the same thing.
Click to expand...
Since when do characters "adapt" to living in timeless environments?
 
Why would you have to naturally exist in a void without space time just to be able to have infinite speed? If you can naturally live there or adapt to it, it's basically the same thing.

Yes. I don't understand that also.
 
If you naturally can move outside space and time (and it's not just part of the plot i.e. character surviving universe busting) than your speed is infinite by our definition.
 
Since when do characters "adapt" to living in timeless environments?

Why not? We not talking about usual humans.
 
VenomElite said:
Why would you have to naturally exist in a void without space time just to be able to have infinite speed? If you can naturally live there or adapt to it, it's basically the same thing.
Click to expand...
Here's my two cents.

Both Ventus and Sera are technically right in their assertments. If you can maneuver in a place devoid of both space and time, be able to comprehend it, and not be destroyed by being there, you should have Infinite speed from a purely logical standpoint.

The problem is that this would make so many characters Infinite Speed even if that is 100% contradicted by all their other feats.
 
@A6 The Speed page dictates that for a character to have Infinite Speed via moving in a timeless void they must be a natural part of that environment, not just travel through or into it on their own.
 
In order to qualify, a character must be a natural part of that type of environment.

And this even not gives an infinite speed in a place with space-time.
 
A6colute said:
In order to qualify, a character must be a natural part of that type of environment.

And this even not gives an infinite speed in a place with space-time.
Click to expand...
Exactly. It's a flawed requirement that needs some tinkering.
 
@A6 The Speed page dictates that for a character to have Infinite Speed via moving in a timeless void they must be a natural part of that environment, not just travel through or into it on their own.

And moving from space-time to timeless and spaceless void is more solid proof for this speed, than just living in timeless space.
 
Sera Loveheart said:
A6colute said:
In order to qualify, a character must be a natural part of that type of environment.

And this even not gives an infinite speed in a place with space-time.
Click to expand...
Exactly. It's a flawed requirement that needs some tinkering.
Click to expand...
Because otherwise it gives so many characters Infinite Speed it's not even funny, like Matt said.
 
If you can live in dimensionless space, it's not giving you power over infinite dimension.

Then how living in timeless space giving you infinite speed?
 
Because otherwise it gives so many characters Infinite Speed it's not even funny, like Matt said.

It's very flawed reasoning.
 
Infinite Speed should be:

Speed is not influenced by time. (Teleportation does not count).

If you can move to a timeless void. It's because you are uninfluenced by time, no "dimensional barrier" is involved. That's cosmic jargin.
 
Someone moving in a timeless environment can be chalked up as a specific power.

Once time begins to move again you can assume they're restricted by its flow.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

Aolphl
Question about Transcending Space-Time, and Immeasurable Speed.
Replies
4
Views
1K
Another_Council
Another_Council
TWILIGHT-OP
Question about speed ig
Replies
0
Views
137
TWILIGHT-OP
TWILIGHT-OP
Rutæhh
Quick Question
Replies
2
Views
533
Benimōru
Benimōru
AzuRizzz
Timeless Void
Replies
16
Views
1K
AzuRizzz
AzuRizzz
Mertullah
About crossverse
Replies
13
Views
688
Mertullah
Mertullah
Back
Top