Aspatiotemporal while transcending

[Weaver261]

If a character is said to transcend space and time and also outside of space and time, can exist without space and time, Is this character Low 1-C? If it's low 1-c, then it beg the question that Low 1-C being R^5 HDE contradict the fact that this character's ability to exist without space and time?

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

bde type 1

 

[Weaver261]

bde type 1

So can a character with Low 1-C be BDE Type 1? or other tier?

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

So can a character with Low 1-C be BDE Type 1? or other tier?

they can have low 1-C power but whatever you said in OP isnt low 1-C lol

 

[Weaver261]

they can have low 1-C power but whatever you said in OP isnt low 1-C lol

But BDE Type 1 doesn't necessarily superior to space and time. Isn't it?

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

But BDE Type 1 doesn't necessarily superior to space and time. Isn't it?

You can say a person who lacks dimensions transcends/beyond/is superior to space and time without contradiction.

 

[Weaver261]

You can say a person who lacks dimensions transcends/beyond/is superior to space and time without contradiction.

I am pretty sure it is not even the contradiction to begin with. No?
I am confused since you said BDE Type 1 which in wiki's standard doesn't need superiority over space and time. In my proposed case, the character is said to transcend space and time. So what really is the answer to my original question?

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

I am pretty sure it is not even the contradiction to begin with. No?
I am confused since you said BDE Type 1 which in wiki's standard doesn't need superiority over space and time. In my proposed case, the character is said to transcend space and time. So what really is the answer to my original question?

BDE type 1.

 

[Weaver261]

BDE type 1.

But doesn't wiki standard say BDE type 1 isn't superior to space time? I am really confused now. Can you explain more?

Type 1: Characters who lack spatiotemporal features entirely, while not actually being superior to them in nature.

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

But doesn't wiki standard say BDE type 1 isn't superior to space time? I am really confused now. Can you explain more?

Because transcend doesn't really mean anything more without proper context. So it's just BDE type 1. Superior here is referring to something very specific and not a generic statement.

 

[Shar122]

Likewise, MGQ is correct per FAQ;

> Q: What tier is transcending space and time?​

> A: As said above, "transcending space and time" is a very vague statement by itself and can mean multiple things depending on the context in which it is made, as well as how this characteristic is portrayed in the first place. For example: It is perfectly possible for a statement like transcending space and time to mean that a character is simply "untied" from the universe's spacetime, and is thus unaffected by alterations in the timeline and similar meddlings. Likewise, It's not exactly uncommon for time travel (Or any action / process that affects something through different points in time) to be described as "transcending time and space."

Moreover, it should also be noted that simply existing in some alternate state of existence that lacks time and/or space is not really grounds for any tier in particular, as predating or lacking such things does not translate to being superior to them, and would most often overlap with abilities like Acausality or Nonexistent Physiology. A good example of a case like this is Dormammu (Marvel Cinematic Universe), who is stated to exist in a realm "far beyond time," yet never actually displays any superiority over it, and is in fact vulnerable to time-based abilities due to his timeless nature.

If the statement does specifically refer to superiority, however, then this opens up a wider range of possibilities that requires underlying context to properly tier. If the realm in question is "superior" to spacetime by a matter of physical size, then see here for more detailed information on the matter.

Tiering System FAQ

A: Whether higher-dimensional entities qualify for such high tiers or not depends on several different factors, which may take root both in and out-of-verse. To explain this situation, we must first clarify what exactly being higher-dimensional entails. In a way, yes, though not how most would...

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Transcending space and time statement alone are insufficient for warranting any higher tiers without further elaboration pertaining to it, this is just BDE type 1.

 

[Weaver261]

Transcending space and time statement alone are insufficient for warranting any higher tiers without further elaboration pertaining to it, this is just BDE type 1.

So it boils down to the type of transcendent, I guess....
But still assigning BDE Type 1 to characters who both lacking spacetime and transcending spacetime is a bit iffy to me since it directly contradict with the rule of BDE Type 1 being not superior to spacetime. I know it means in qualitative sense but quantitative transcendent is just BDE Type 2? But BDE Type 2 characters doesn't lack space time but contains all possible spaces and dimensions.

My case isn't certainly this

It is perfectly possible for a statement like transcending space and time to mean that a character is simply "untied" from the universe's spacetime, and is thus unaffected by alterations in the timeline and similar meddlings. Likewise, It's not exactly uncommon for time travel (Or any action / process that affects something through different points in time) to be described as "transcending time and space."

And certainly not just lacking space time either

Moreover, it should also be noted that simply existing in some alternate state of existence that lacks time and/or space

But just because there're no more explanation than "Transcend space time" and "Lacking space time" which doesn't fall under above two cases and the type of transcendent is not clearly explained, assiging that character to BDE Type 1 seems wrong imo. Nonetheless the two statements should still valid. What do you think should be for this case?