Question about Kratos.

[Bernkastelll]

Well, first of all, I am not a god of war scaler, but, I saw that Kratos is comparable to characters that can hurt this tree

Yggdrasil (God of War)

The Yggdrasil, alternatively the World Tree or Tree of Life, is the force that appears to be responsible for all that there is in the Norse Realms of God of War. Directly interwoven into the grand tapestry that is reality, all of existence is part of Yggdrasil and all of existence eventually...

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then, shouldnt Kratos be Low 1-C as well?
(pls, dont offend me, I am just asking cuz I am not a GoW scaler)

 

[Bernkastelll]

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[JmikaelP]

This is a note that is on the page of Yggdrasil.

Do not attempt to scale the Norse Gods to Yggdrasil based off of Thor and the World Serpent's fight "splintering" it. For one, splintering an object only refers to breaking a small piece off of its totality, which, while impressive, is not anywhere near a feat of affecting the entire tree. Second, the Giant Surtr, in his death blow that apparently consumed all of reality and ended even the Aesir Gods, explicitly did not affect Yggdrasil and was just serving its cycle of death and rebirth/beginning and end, as stated by Mimir. As such, it'd be highly unreliable to scale any Gods even to Yggdrasil's physical form.

 

[Bernkastelll]

This is a note that is on the page of Yggdrasil.

Do not attempt to scale the Norse Gods to Yggdrasil based off of Thor and the World Serpent's fight "splintering" it. For one, splintering an object only refers to breaking a small piece off of its totality, which, while impressive, is not anywhere near a feat of affecting the entire tree. Second, the Giant Surtr, in his death blow that apparently consumed all of reality and ended even the Aesir Gods, explicitly did not affect Yggdrasil and was just serving its cycle of death and rebirth/beginning and end, as stated by Mimir. As such, it'd be highly unreliable to scale any Gods even to Yggdrasil's physical form.

I mean, how does 2-C dudes can break pieces of a Low 1-C thing?

 

[JmikaelP]

The Yggdrasilis is the force that appears to be responsible for all that there is in the Norse Realms of God of War. Directly interwoven into the grand tapestry that is reality, all of existence is part of Yggdrasil and all of existence eventually returns to it, only to be birthed anew in a grand, neverending cycle that far transcends mortal and godly notions of time and space alike.
HOWEVER, The Yggdrasil that we see in the game is it only the physical form of the tree. This object is a 2-B and it can be harmed by 2-C Characters, because the power between they characters and the object is low. But, the True Form is a Low 1-C. This true form cannot be harmed by those characters.

 

[Planck69]

I mean, how does 2-C dudes can break pieces of a Low 1-C thing?

They can only slightly harm the avatar of Ygggdrasil, which is 2-B.

 

[Keeweed]

To be fair while low 1-C is bunk and has been argued to death, why isn’t Kratos 2-B? If it is because Yggdrasil gets its durability from being the multiverse then shouldn’t it’s durability be vastly lower. For example the sun has multi continental durability despite needing star level energy to destroy. Tanks have 9-A durability despite requiring high 8-C energy to demolish. So Yggdrasil should just have low 2-C durability since that’s all that is required to actually hurt it, but requires 2-B to overall destroy it. Also why does it have 2-B ap, once again Stars have multi continental ap despite being stars. Yggdrasil can’t hit anything with itself, it shouldn’t have ap at all, should just be unknown.

 

[Planck69]

To be fair while low 1-C is bunk and has been argued to death, why isn’t Kratos 2-B? If it is because Yggdrasil gets its durability from being the multiverse then shouldn’t it’s durability be vastly lower. For example the sun has multi continental durability despite needing star level energy to destroy. Tanks have 9-A durability despite requiring high 8-C energy to demolish. So Yggdrasil should just have low 2-C durability since that’s all that is required to actually hurt it, but requires 2-B to overall destroy it. Also why does it have 2-B ap, once again Stars have multi continental ap despite being stars. Yggdrasil can’t hit anything with itself, it shouldn’t have ap at all, should just be unknown.

Where does it say that stars have High 6-A durability?

And again, they harmed a very small fraction of it. It's far from enough to scale in any way shape or form.

 

[Keeweed]

Ok originally I was basing that, the star stuff, off of the scp that was a star, but it appears it’s durability was reupgraded back to 4-C. Because, I know for a fact, there was a time it had 6-A durability. Though still on everything else we rate durability based on what is required to hurt the characters, not what is needed to completely obliterate them (like human’s don’t have 9-B durability despite even crushing the skull requires 9-B energy) and the tank part I brought up earlier, so why does Yggdrasil have 2-B instead of low 2-C durability if 2-Cs can completely obliterate any part of the tree they can actually manage to hit? Also it still shouldn’t have ap, it never has, and can’t, attack things.

 

[Planck69]

Ok originally I was basing that, the star stuff, off of the scp that was a star, but it appears it’s durability was reupgraded back to 4-C. Because, I know for a fact, there was a time it had 6-A durability. Though still on everything else we rate durability based on what is required to hurt the characters, not what is needed to completely obliterate them (like human’s don’t have 9-B durability despite even crushing the skull requires 9-B energy) and the tank part I brought up earlier, so why does Yggdrasil have 2-B instead of low 2-C durability if 2-Cs can completely obliterate any part of the tree they can actually manage to hit? Also it still shouldn’t have ap, it never has, and can’t, attack things.

They don't "completely obliterate" parts of the tree. They have one statement of splintering it and another about how Surtur's 2-C slash leaves Yggdrasil as a whole unaffected. Damaging a very tiny portion of an object doesn't mean you scale to overcoming its durability.

 

[Keeweed]

Let me try to re-explain what I mean. Yggdrasil’s durability comes from being a multiverse. If that’s the case that means it’s made up of a bunch of low 2-C universes to make a 2-B object. The 2-Cs can break parts of it. A 2-C trying to destroy a 2-B structure would fail because destroying the whole thing is vastly beyond them, but the 2-B structure shouldn’t have 2-B durability, that’s just the overall destruction required.

Now maybe I’m just misunderstanding Yggdrasil and it is just a singular 2-B object with universes on it, but I thought Yggdrasil is the 2-B structure, in which case it’s shouldn’t necessarily have 2-B durability.

Like I don’t care that the gods hurt it, I talking 100% about what Yggdrasil is in and of itself. Does a multiverse in and of itself have 2-B durability or low 2-C durability with 2-B overall destruction.

 

[Planck69]

It's a tree, of which a small part is a structure that contains countless universes. Not quite just a multiverse.

 

[Keeweed]

Ok so I see I just misunderstood Yggdrasil, I thought Yggdrasil was the multiverse, but it just has the multiverse on it.

Though then I guess I’m still wondering why it has 2-B and low 1-C ap, if it really is just a tree that can’t attack or actively effect anything. Hell in Doom has ap because it’s a sapient being that actively attacks things (slowly sure, but it still have intent and can preform actions). Yggdrasil doesn’t seem to do that.

 

[Planck69]

Ok so I see I just misunderstood Yggdrasil, I thought Yggdrasil was the multiverse, but it just has the multiverse on it.

Though then I guess I’m still wondering why it has 2-B and low 1-C ap, if it really is just a tree that can’t attack or actively effect anything. Hell in Doom has ap because it’s a sapient being that actively attacks things (slowly sure, but it still have intent and can preform actions). Yggdrasil doesn’t seem to do that.

I mean, it's sentient so I guess it should be able to to do something. That and it's that tier via sheer size I guess.

 

[Keeweed]

I mean I know of a few characters that when they don’t really interact with stuff they just have unknown ap, but others do have it that ap is listed, just mostly unusable. So now that I think about it I should make a thread on that.

 

[Aetheric Pariah]

Plank essentially explained this. If yggdrasil was to be "nuked" as some people claim it was, thor and jorm would've effectively nuked themselves, considering Yggdrasil encompasses everyone and everything. There is a MASSIVE difference in both feats done by that battle, which is
1. Thor and Jorm nuked a Low 1-C structure that is responsible for them living (lol)
2. The combined effort of thor and jorm shook the 9 realms. I don't know how we treat shaking multiple universes on the wiki, but shaking a universe is only tier 4 iirc.

 

[Planck69]

Plank essentially explained this. If yggdrasil was to be "nuked" as some people claim it was, thor and jorm would've effectively nuked themselves, considering Yggdrasil encompasses everyone and everything. There is a MASSIVE difference in both feats done by that battle, which is
1. Thor and Jorm nuked a Low 1-C structure that is responsible for them living (lol)
2. The combined effort of thor and jorm shook the 9 realms. I don't know how we treat shaking multiple universes on the wiki, but shaking a universe is only tier 4 iirc.

Shaking everything in a universe is 4-A.

Shaking a space-time continuum is Low 2-C.