Question about Anos's range.

[Arthex]

Simple question, is anos range above 2a baseline?

now i have seen supporters claiming that the range is above baseline, due to how silver sea works. but the habitants aren't 2a themselves, so how can their range be above 2a baseline? if the habitants are indeed 2a, why are other characters comparable to them not 2a?

 

[Arthex]

bump i think?

 

[Dir333]

Simple question, is anos range above 2a baseline?

now i have seen supporters claiming that the range above baseline, due to how silver sea works. but the habitants aren't 2a themselves, so how can their range be above 2a baseline? if the habitants are indeed 2a, why are other characters comparable to them not 2a?

Nobody is 2a except from anos and misha

 

[Arthex]

Nobody is 2a except from anos and misha

So anos dosent have above baseline 2a range?

 

[Dir333]

So anos dosent have above baseline 2a range?

He has above baseline 2a range/ap,misha also have it for being able to use venuzdona which can destroy the silver sea

 

[Arthex]

He has above baseline 2a range/ap,misha also have it for being able to use venuzdona which can destroy the silver sea

its sasha who can use venuz my man, not misha.

and Please Explain "How" the range is above baseline if the habitants aren't 2a themselves? Because apparently layer 1 habitants are uncountably inferior to layer 2 habitants, but you cant reach 2a via Multipliers so-

 

[Dir333]

its sasha who can use venuz my man, not misha.

and Please Explain "How" the range is above baseline if the habitants aren't 2a themselves? Because apparently layer 1 habitants are uncountably inferior to layer 2 habitants, but you cant reach 2a via Multipliers so-

Made a mistake there

Each layer is already 2a due it being infinte and can theoretically contain infinte universe and each layer is uncountable higher than the lower one and like are said before anos and Sasha are already 2a

 

[Arthex]

Made a mistake there

Each layer is already 2a due it being infinte and can theoretically contain infinte universe and each layer is uncountable higher than the lower one and like are said before anos and Sasha are already 2a

Each layer is already 2a, I know.

Even if the size of the second layer is uncountably bigger, thats still just infinite and thus baseline.

 

[Dir333]

Each layer is already 2a, I know.

Even if the size of the second layer is uncountably bigger, thats still just infinite and thus baseline.

That's what was accepted

 

[Arthex]

That's what was accepted

can you mention the thread where above baseline 2a range was accepted for anos and venuz?

 

[imZer0Null]

I personally have not seen any thread where "above baseline 2-A range" for Anos and/or Venuzdonoa was accepted, so Anos and Venuzdonoa's range should currently just be considered baseline 2-A.
If there is a thread where "above baseline 2-A range" has been accepted, then it should preferably be linked here in this thread.

 

[Kowalski]

I personally have not seen any thread where "above baseline 2-A range" for Anos and/or Venuzdonoa was accepted, so Anos and Venuzdonoa's range should currently just be considered baseline 2-A.
If there is a thread where "above baseline 2-A range" has been accepted, then it should preferably be linked here in this thread.

You haven’t seen any of them doesn’t mean it can’t possibly be true.

Considering from this blog post, Venuzdonoa is capable of destroying an entire structure of the Silver Sea; which is roughly constructed by 99+ layers of countless universes, and infinite in size. Therefore is around 99+ layers above baseline, and destroying it as a whole granted you the range, as it covered up the whole hierarchy.

 

[Arthex]

You haven’t seen any of them doesn’t mean it can’t possibly be true.

Considering from this blog post, Venuzdonoa is capable of destroying an entire structure of the Silver Sea; which is roughly constructed by 99+ layers of countless universes, and infinite in size. Therefore is around 99+ layers above baseline, and destroying it as a whole granted you the range, as it covered up the whole hierarchy.

Ahem, affecting a infinite 4d space, no matter how many, is still infinite. thats why verses with multiple 2a multiverses dont have above baseline range.

The higher layers habitants aren't 2a themselves, so I don't see why the habitants of a layer even higher than the current one would be above baseline.

its either upgrading the habitants to 2a, or have no above baseline range.

 

[NIK_FARIS]

You haven’t seen any of them doesn’t mean it can’t possibly be true.

Considering from this blog post, Venuzdonoa is capable of destroying an entire structure of the Silver Sea; which is roughly constructed by 99+ layers of countless universes, and infinite in size. Therefore is around 99+ layers above baseline, and destroying it as a whole granted you the range, as it covered up the whole hierarchy.

Not really. Only the ap is 99 uncountable above baseline. The range is only baseline 2A. If each layer is infinitely larger than the previous one then sure the range will be above baseline. The layer had the same level of size so it doesn’t really matter how much of it, it wouldn’t go above baseline 2A.

 

[Vietthai96]

infinite x infinite still infinite so no, baseline 2-A range, in order to be above baseline, you need feat or statement that similar to those DnD guys

 

[NIK_FARIS]

infinite x infinite still infinite so no, baseline 2-A range, in order to be above baseline, you need feat or statement that similar to those DnD guys

What kind of statement does DnD had?

 

[Vietthai96]

What kind of statement does DnD had?

not expert of the verse, but iirc, DnD have multiple 2-A multiverse, and the verse actively state that it is require more range to affect other multiverse and require more power to destroy other multiverse. The verse is the only verse up until now fit the new 2-A standard, that why they are strongest 2-A in term of raw power on the wiki

 

[NIK_FARIS]

not expert of the verse, but iirc, DnD have multiple 2-A multiverse, and the verse actively state that it is require more range to affect other multiverse and require more power to destroy other multiverse. The verse is the only verse up until now fit the new 2-A standard, that why they are strongest 2-A in term of raw power on the wiki

Oh, I see. Wonder if Oryx also just or baseline?

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Wait for Some more time until Anos gets an upgrade..

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Simple question, is anos range above 2a baseline?

now i have seen supporters claiming that the range is above baseline, due to how silver sea works. but the habitants aren't 2a themselves, so how can their range be above 2a baseline? if the habitants are indeed 2a, why are other characters comparable to them not 2a?

Each bubble world is potentially 2A structure. Still not updated in wiki that's all.

 

[Vietthai96]

Oh, I see. Wonder if Oryx also just or baseline?

Who is Oryx???

 

[NIK_FARIS]

Wait for Some more time until Anos gets an upgrade..

I will wait till then.

 

[NIK_FARIS]

Each bubble world is potentially 2A structure. Still not updated in wiki that's all.

That technically wouldn’t change the range. But it definitely help anyone of the verse that destroy the bubble to be 2A.

 

[NIK_FARIS]

Who is Oryx???

Him

 

[Le'garde273]

I though before why some people said venuzdonoa get 99x above baseline range is because each layer have supperiority than lower layer

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

That technically wouldn’t change the range. But it definitely help anyone of the verse that destroy the bubble to be 2A.

Spoiler

Yeah. Keeping Anos in just Multi+ is lowball even with numerous feats and statement backs up layers being Hierarchy of Dimensionality. Anyway I hope next upgrade wiki accept hyper Anos with the proof we have. Well not expecting too much as many Wiki members hates him doubt if he gets any upgrade.

 

[Vietthai96]

Him

he just baseline, the reason he have at least 2-A range is because it is the low-balling of his tier, high-balling his tier he is Low 1-C

I though before why some people said venuzdonoa get 99x above baseline range is because each layer have supperiority than lower layer

uh no, infinite x infinite is still baseline infinite, let alone infinite x 99

 

[NIK_FARIS]

Spoiler

Yeah. Keeping Anos in just Multi+ is lowball even with numerous feats and statement backs up layers being Hierarchy of Dimensionality. Anyway I hope next upgrade wiki accept hyper Anos with the proof we have. Well not expecting too much as many Wiki members hates him doubt if he gets any upgrade.

So, who will do the crt?

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

So, who will do the crt?

Null said he will do it.

 

[Arthex]

i don't think bringing the 1b crt here helps in anyway, its a entirely different topic and not connected to this question at all.

Also, if the bubbles are indeed 2a and 2nd layer habitants can destroy them, would it make the 3rd layer habitants have above baseline range? due to how silver sea works, that is.

 

[Vietthai96]

Also, if the bubbles are indeed 2a and 2nd layer habitants can destroy them, would it make the 3rd layer habitants have above baseline range? due to how silver sea works, that is.

No that not

 

[Arthex]

No that not

its just baseline then, i guess.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

i don't think bringing the 1b crt here helps in anyway, its a entirely different topic and not connected to this question at all.

Also, if the bubbles are indeed 2a and 2nd layer habitants can destroy them, would it make the 3rd layer habitants have above baseline range? due to how silver sea works, that is.

Layers are not just stronger they are Conceptually above baseline.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Layers are not just stronger they are Conceptually above baseline.

Spoiler: Chapter 521

In the world of Militia, no matter how hard you look at the magic laws of other worlds, you can't see them. It is too much of a coincidence that the magic formula is constructed in the dark and it happens to be a deep magic that incorporates a retroactive magic formula.

It's like asking someone to solve a mathematical equation when they can't even read the numbers. It is needless to say that the probability of a coincidental match is close to zero.

 

[Arthex]

Layers are not just stronger they are Conceptually above baseline.

now i know hgf order is like uncountably superior or something, but what does that have to do here? its like abt range.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

now i know hgf order is like uncountably superior or something, but what does that have to do here? its like abt range.

Oh. Well if we consider layers being infinite then you can say Range is more like breaking thru resistance.
Well as above others said infinity x infinite is still infinity only. So range wouldn't much change but layers of hax resistance like that it works that's all

 

[Kowalski]

Ahem, affecting a infinite 4d space, no matter how many, is still infinite. thats why verses with multiple 2a multiverses dont have above baseline range.

The higher layers habitants aren't 2a themselves, so I don't see why the habitants of a layer even higher than the current one would be above baseline.

its either upgrading the habitants to 2a, or have no above baseline range.

I didn't even mention about the Silversea being 2-A.

 

[Kowalski]

Not really. Only the ap is 99 uncountable above baseline. The range is only baseline 2A. If each layer is infinitely larger than the previous one then sure the range will be above baseline. The layer had the same level of size so it doesn’t really matter how much of it, it wouldn’t go above baseline 2A.

If there was uncountably infinite space gap in-between each layer; he would already be 1-B at that point, not just being above baseline.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I didn't even mention about the Silversea being 2-A.

If there was uncountably infinite space gap in-between each layer; he would already be 1-B at that point, not just being above baseline man.

Spoiler: Chapter 671

一歩、 イージェスが足を踏み出せば、 赤き槍が疾走した。
じげんしょう 「紅血魔槍､ 秘奥が弐―<次元衝>｣
一番隊隊長ギー、 四番隊隊長ゼンに､ 穴が穿たれる。 本来ならば、 そ の穴の中に吸い込まれるはずの二人は､ しかし平然と魔法陣を描く。
ドクタ・アスペダラ
｢ ｢<覇弾炎魔熾重砲>｣｣
蒼き恒星が二方向から連射される。
「じげんせん 「<次元閃>」
ドグダ・アスペダラ
そうせん
雨あられの如く降り注ぐ<覇弾炎魔熾重砲>に､ 紅き槍閃が走った。
その魔弾は次元の彼方に飛んでいく。 だが､ その直後、 イージェスの 周囲で青き爆発が巻き起こった。
「むう･･････!?」
咄嗟に飛び退いたイージェスだが､爆発を避けきれず負傷している。
紅血魔槍の秘奥が十全に力を発揮できぬのは、 魔弾世界エレネシアの 秩序によるものだろう。 格下相手ならばいざ知らず、 深淵総軍の隊長ク ラスとなればそれが如実に現れる。
けっかいもんそうそう<血界門>や血地葬送>が容易く破られたのも､、 それが魔槍の秘奥であるからだ。
このエレネシアで魔弾以外を用いて戦う限り、不利は否めない。
「死ね」
至近距離からの声を聞き、 イージェスがその隻眼を険しくする。
爆風に紛れ、いつの間にか背後をとったゼンが義手の大砲を向けてい た。 そこに魔法陣が描かれ、 膨大な魔力が集中していく。
「遅い!」
イージェスは振り向かず、自らの脇の下を通すようにして背後のゼン に槍を突き刺す。
ゼルス 寸分の狂いなく、狙ったのは彼の右眼だ。 冥王は<深撃> を使い、 そ こに致命的な一撃を叩き込んだ。
「槍の不利を過信し、 近づきすぎるは愚の骨頂よ」
「過信ではない。 事実だ」
冥王は表情が険しさを増す。
ゼルス <深撃>を込めた渾身の一突きは、 しかしゼンの右眼すら貫くことが できなかった。
イージェスの顔に突きつけられた義手の大砲から魔弾が放たれる。

A step forward, and the Red Spear sprinted.
Jigen-shou: "Red Blood Demon Spear, Secret of the Red Spear-2-<Dimension Impulse>".
A hole is punched through the first captain, Guy, and the fourth captain, Zen. Normally, they would have been sucked into the hole, but they were able to draw a magic circle without hesitation.
Docta Aspidala
"High-powered fire magic heavy artillery!"
Blue fixed stars are fired in rapid succession from two directions.
Jigen-sen "<Dimensional Flash>"
DOGUDA ASPEDALA
a series of two-dimensional flashes
Red spears flash from the heavy cannons that pour down like a hail of bullets.
The magic bullet flew beyond the dimension.
Immediately after that, however, a blue explosion erupts around Eges.
"Muuu......!?"
He jumped back as quickly as he could, but he was unable to avoid the explosion and was injured.
The reason why the secret of the red-blooded magic spear can't display its full power is probably due to the order of the magic bullet world of Elensia. This is true even against lower-ranked opponents, but when it comes to the class of captains of the abyssal general army, it really shows.
The reason why the "blood gate" and the "blood burial" were easily broken is because of the secret of the magic spear.
As long as we fight in this Erenesia using something other than magic bullets, we will be at a disadvantage.
"Die."
Hearing the voice from close range, Eges's one-eyed gaze turned grim.
Blinded by the blast, Zen, who had taken his back before he knew it, pointed his artificial cannon at it. A magic circle is drawn there, and an enormous amount of magical power is concentrated.
"Too late!"
Eges does not turn around, but thrusts his spear through his own armpit and into Zen behind him.
Zelos, without missing a beat, aimed at his right eye. The Dark Lord uses his <Deep Strike> and strikes a fatal blow into it.
"It would be foolish to get too close, overconfident of the spear's disadvantage."
"It is not overconfidence. It is a fact."
The Dark Lord's expression turned grim.
The thrust with all his might with Zelos' "deep strike" failed to pierce even Zen's right eye.
A magic bullet is released from the cannon of his artificial hand, which is thrust into the face of Eges.

冥王は引くことなく、＜次元閃じげんせん＞にて反撃する。赤き槍閃が疾走するも、ゼンは左腕一本でそれを容易く受け止めた。
傷はつけられず、時空に飲み込むこともできない。
イージェスを見下ろしながら、 ゼンの口元が僅かに笑う。
「魔弾世界に侵入したのが運の尽きだっ!!」
再びゼンの大砲に魔力が集中する。 至近距離にて狙いを定め、それが 放たれる瞬間だった。 イージェスの隻眼がぎらりと光る。
ゼルス 「<深撃> 」
槍の穂先が次元を越える。
どこを狙おうとも無駄と判断したか、 ゼンは避けようともせずに魔弾 の発射に集中する。
ベレニツィア・ノイン 青き魔力が集中するその魔法は、 <魔深流失波濤砲>。 この至近距離 で直撃すれば、 冥王とて跡形も残るまい。
青き魔砲から火花が散る。 それと同時に､次元を越えた槍の穂先がイ ージェスの真後ろに出現した。
ゼルス 渾身の<深撃>にて突き出されたその槍は､寸分の狂いなくイージェ スの体に突き刺さった刃弾を捉える。
「なにっ…····· ! ?」
ゼンが大きく目を見開く。

The Pluto King pulled back and counterattacked with a "dimensional flash". The red spear flash rushes forward, but Zen easily catches it with only his left arm.
　It could not wound him, nor could it swallow him up in space-time.
Zen's mouth curls into a slight smile as he looks down at Eges.
"It's your own damn fault for breaking into the world of magic bullets!"
Once again, Zen's cannon concentrates its magic power. It was the moment when the cannon was aimed at close range and released. The eyes of Eges glowed.
Zelos, "deep strike!"
The tip of the spear crosses the dimension.
Zen, perhaps judging that it would be futile to aim anywhere, concentrates on firing the magic bullet without trying to avoid it.
The magic that concentrates the blue magic power is a magic "deep-draining wave cannon". A direct hit at such close range would leave no trace, even for the Dark Lord.
Sparks fly from the blue magic cannon. At the same time, the tip of a spear that transcended dimensions appeared directly behind Eges.
The spear, thrust out with a full-bodied, "deep blow," catches the blade bullet that has pierced through the body of Eges without the slightest deviation.
"What...----- ! ?"
Zen's eyes widened.

There is more than enough evidence for layers being transcended. But well for now consider the layers are just layers of hax.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Eges spear Transcends space time and dimensions but it couldn't exert his power in deeper layers because of reality of the world. If they are in same plane of reality it should have no problem because speed is not something depends on dimensionality. Even wiki states that but Eges couldn't use his spear even though it can Transcend dimensions.