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Pyrrha vs. Toph
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Toph is a glass cannon but can she can make up for it with her Earth/Metal Armors and Earth Shelter.
They're probably even in terms of skill but Toph has the advantage of being able to weaponize the entire battlefield via Earthbending, and throw Pyrrha off or bind her with Dust Clouds, Slab Shackles, Quicksand, Earthquakes, or Fissures (seen in her Notable Attacks/Techniques section). Her Seismic Sense will prove pretty useful for evading attacks, and depending on which variation of Aang she is superior to (profile doesn't specify) she might have the AP advantage as well.
tl;dr: Toph via Earthbending versatility and Seismic Sense.
They're probably even in terms of skill but Toph has the advantage of being able to weaponize the entire battlefield via Earthbending, and throw Pyrrha off or bind her with Dust Clouds, Slab Shackles, Quicksand, Earthquakes, or Fissures (seen in her Notable Attacks/Techniques section). Her Seismic Sense will prove pretty useful for evading attacks, and depending on which variation of Aang she is superior to (profile doesn't specify) she might have the AP advantage as well.
tl;dr: Toph via Earthbending versatility and Seismic Sense.
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Okay one, Pyrrha isnt covered in metal, and Toph has never offensively used metal bending other than moving metal and making metal armor
Two, Pyrrha is not only able to manipulate metal, but she's undoubtedly more skilled and versatile with it than Toph
Two, Pyrrha is not only able to manipulate metal, but she's undoubtedly more skilled and versatile with it than Toph
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@Maverick If Toph tries to make metal armor Pyrrha gets a free pass to ragdoll her or crush her to death and unlike Toph, its actually in character for her to try to do so
Pyrrha has more than enough AP and lifting strength to be able to break out of any restraints Toph can create, and RWBY characters have experience fighing in battlefields that are constantly shifting and changing
Pyrrha has more than enough AP and lifting strength to be able to break out of any restraints Toph can create, and RWBY characters have experience fighing in battlefields that are constantly shifting and changing
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Is this Child!Toph or Adult!Toph? If it's Adult!Toph, the one who developed an entire martial art around metal bending will undoubtedly be more skilled than Pyrrha. If it's Child!Toph, then Weekly's right, though Pyrrha never did anything like the metal armor, which is a massive boon (but also potential weakness) for Toph.
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@Cal What i mean is Pyrrha is far more precise with it whereas Toph basically just brute forces it
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>Lifting strength
Class K vs Class M. Characters weaker than Toph (the Dai Li) can create restraints strong enough to hold her. So no.
Class K vs Class M. Characters weaker than Toph (the Dai Li) can create restraints strong enough to hold her. So no.
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@Weekly Toph's profile says she can also make an armor out of rock, which Pyrrha cannot manipulate.
Toph's Earthbending is way more versatilie than Pyrrha's Polarity going by her Techniques section, and she can restrain peeps with Class M LS with her bindings.
Toph's Earthbending is way more versatilie than Pyrrha's Polarity going by her Techniques section, and she can restrain peeps with Class M LS with her bindings.
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Anyway, Toph's seismic sense allows her to pretty much precog her way through the fight, and her versatility with her earth outweighs Pyrrha's versatility with her metal. Given a twist of her foot could just make the earth around Pyrrha already reach her without having to close distance, that's also helpful.
Count my vote towards the blind bandit.
Count my vote towards the blind bandit.
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Seismic Sense really wont help her against Pyrrha's bullets and her using magnetism to mass control the metal in the area. Can toph even see metal?
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Yes. Yes she can.
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Scans? Of her seeing metal that isnt connected to the ground.
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https://youtu.be/ovbyKpCtOpw
Every instance of her metalbending. There's one or two instances in there. There's also the fact that she's outright stated to do the same for her earthbending.
Every instance of her metalbending. There's one or two instances in there. There's also the fact that she's outright stated to do the same for her earthbending.
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Not seeing any instances of her reacting to metal attacks being launched at her, let alone attacks on the scale that Pyrrha is capable of.
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Best pokemon trainer due to dust and aura, plus her own metal bending helping to an extent.
If you don't get why I am calling pyrrha that, think about the least succesful MC pokemon trainer's name
If you don't get why I am calling pyrrha that, think about the least succesful MC pokemon trainer's name
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I'm not sure why Pyrrha would be more skilled here. Even as a child, in the literal episode where Toph was introduced, she defeated like eight earthbending masters with ease. If she doesn't have the skill advantage, then bare minimum they're comparable.
I'm fairly certain that Toph merely needs some kind of solid ground beneath her feet to sense things. She takes on firebenders rather frequently, and their attacks typically don't come from the ground. It also helps that she can metalbend the projectiles flying at her, and either shoot them back, use them as armor, or rip them apart. And being able to merely move a foot and launch/entrap her opponent is a large boon as well. Versatility is certain in her favor here.
Right now I've gotta agree with Cal.
I'm fairly certain that Toph merely needs some kind of solid ground beneath her feet to sense things. She takes on firebenders rather frequently, and their attacks typically don't come from the ground. It also helps that she can metalbend the projectiles flying at her, and either shoot them back, use them as armor, or rip them apart. And being able to merely move a foot and launch/entrap her opponent is a large boon as well. Versatility is certain in her favor here.
Right now I've gotta agree with Cal.
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Because Pyrrha has been doing the same thing, beating the most skilled fighters in the world, for years. Hell she beat penny, who herself casually stomped a lot of students in the Vytal Festival, while she was mentally unstable and having a panic attack. Also where was it stated that the people she beat in the first episode were masters?
Toph has never shown the ability to metalbend projectiles, not once. If she uses them as armor pyrrha crushes her.
Toph has never shown the ability to metalbend projectiles, not once. If she uses them as armor pyrrha crushes her.
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Toph can sense earth even if it's not in the ground, and all forms of metal with the exception of pure platinum have some components of earth in them. The sheer face that Pyrrha wears armor is already a dead giveaway for Toph to easily incapacitate her by just bending the metal to restrain her. She senses that Pyrrha can just magnetize it out, and Toph proceeds to trap her in earth.
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^ this
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@Weekly the fact that they're professional earthbenders that have years of experience of fighting for a while shows their proficiency in earthbending. She defeated Penny cause she was made of metal and was weak to her magnet powers.
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This isn't bloodlusted, when you say crush do you mean immobilize or smash her to a bloody smear? Cause the second one is really out of characterWeeklyBattles said:
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@Glass Pyrrha has beaten dozens if not hundreds of people with the same level of experience and far more varied abilites over the years she's been a world class fighter
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Pyrrha only beat penny because she was having a panic attack. She just deflected back her swords with magnetism and the strings connected to the swords destroyed Penny's body. Thats not skill, it was just the result of Penny's swords having strings and getting deflected.
Pyrrha was also getting outskilled by Penny.
Pyrrha was also getting outskilled by Penny.
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They're all roughly comparable to the Boulder, who is a master. Just to learn bending one has to be proficient in martial arts. Using it to that extent requires some form of mastery by default. Though given Pyrrha's feats, I'd say they're comparable.
Once they make singular contact with her skin they're no longer projectiles, but something to be used. And given how sensitive she is to changes like that, it's far from a stretch to say that she can use it. Or if she uses her earth to block it, she could manipulate it through there. Though a lot of her metalbending earlier on does involve a lot of just tearing through metal, so it's possible metal projectiles may not work in general.
Also, Toph has higher lifting strength, correct? So why would she be crushed? Not to mention that if they're both manipulating the metal, there's no real reason to say that one manipulation will beat out the other.
Once they make singular contact with her skin they're no longer projectiles, but something to be used. And given how sensitive she is to changes like that, it's far from a stretch to say that she can use it. Or if she uses her earth to block it, she could manipulate it through there. Though a lot of her metalbending earlier on does involve a lot of just tearing through metal, so it's possible metal projectiles may not work in general.
Also, Toph has higher lifting strength, correct? So why would she be crushed? Not to mention that if they're both manipulating the metal, there's no real reason to say that one manipulation will beat out the other.
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She tried to do so against Cinder, its not at all out of characterDragonEmperor23 said:
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@Linetric Lifting Strength wont save you from being crushed on all sides by a suit of armor youre wearing
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Wasn't Cinder a murderous villain who ended up killing many by releasing Grimm into one of the last places to live on the planet? Compared to Toph, who looks like a weaponless prepubscent blind kid I don't think that's a fair comparison.
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@Weekly that wasn't her crushiing Cinder, she was manipulating the metal to get safe. The only reason she won against them is because she can literally bend their armor and weapons. Toph doesn't have that weakspot for her when she can literally sense the metals and bend it to her will.
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@Dragon SBA makes her willing to kill and against Cinder is the only time we've seen Pyrrha fight with the intent to kill
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we seen her fight grimm before, and she uses her weapons over her semblance
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She tried to do so once against someone who's stronger than her? Doing it once doesn't make it in character in the way you're making it out here. It's more like something she'll do if she's EXTREMELY pressured.
And why wouldn't it save her? It's not too different from trying to restrain someone with bindings. The bindings have to tighten to restrain, which won't happen due to one's superior lifting strength. The same logic is applied here to tightening the metal to crush.
And why wouldn't it save her? It's not too different from trying to restrain someone with bindings. The bindings have to tighten to restrain, which won't happen due to one's superior lifting strength. The same logic is applied here to tightening the metal to crush.
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@Litentric She tried it once when she was actively trying to kill her opponent, which makes it in character yes.
Why would it save her? You cant lift your way out of having your entire body being crushed from all sides by something youre wearing
Why would it save her? You cant lift your way out of having your entire body being crushed from all sides by something youre wearing
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In character, but willing to kill. The characters will employ their usual battle strategies, including flaws such as being casual, however, must be willing to kill the opponent even if they usually won't.
Her usual battle strategy is not "Smash the opponent into bloody paste with metal". It usually involves her sword and her rifle. A flaw would be that she wants to keep her semblance hidden and is subtle in her uses of it instead of outright very visible polarity manipulation.
Her usual battle strategy is not "Smash the opponent into bloody paste with metal". It usually involves her sword and her rifle. A flaw would be that she wants to keep her semblance hidden and is subtle in her uses of it instead of outright very visible polarity manipulation.
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Her fight against Cinder takes priority here as for RWBY characters we consider fighting people and fighting grimm as two different fighting styles, so no, she would abuse the hell out of her semblance here
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Both Dragon and Glassman have said it's not in character for her. The crushing the opponent argument doesn't seem valid when she's used it once in all of her life or death situations. Arguing that a one of is in character is legitimately the opposite of what in character means.
Crushing directly involves applying force to one's person, increasing the weight upon their body. Toph has superior lifting strength, meaning she can lift, and power through, said weight. Not to mention that she can tear through the metal regardless, literally flinging the stuff off with mere punches and kicks.
Crushing directly involves applying force to one's person, increasing the weight upon their body. Toph has superior lifting strength, meaning she can lift, and power through, said weight. Not to mention that she can tear through the metal regardless, literally flinging the stuff off with mere punches and kicks.
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Except Toph is a person who when fighting Pyrrha does not use the semblance spam and uses her weapons instead.
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Yes Pyrha semblance spams constantly against people, she is just extremely subtle about itDragonEmperor23 said:
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@Linetric Crushing the opponent is absolutely in character for her when she's fighting with the intent to kill her opponent. I can get you the video if you want.
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