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So I'm finally home AND the Great Witches arc is over in PAD at about the same time...And a lot happened in this Arc.
A lot of characters showed up, a lot of them got new lore, new powers, new matchups...There's a lot of work we need to do update wise but lets start it simple with JUST AP, because there's basically only one AP feat of note and it ties back into an older AP feat as well. Lets talk about the Cosmology of the Dimension of the Mystic, and Big Bang (again).
The Dimension of the Mystic is described in narration as not being just 1 dimension in the PAD verse, but it's actually 'where many dimensions converge'. (Zela Chapter Prologue). How many total dimensions? We don't know, and it's not totally clear, they haven't shown us all of them. The 'Zero Dimension' where we fight Big Bang on his home turf is 'MD4', or the 4th of these Dimensions we've officially had titled. So there's definitely more than 2, probably 4, likely more but we currently don't know enough specifics. It also has space between the dimensions, this interdimensional space is where creatures like Nyarlathotep, Cthulhu, and Azathoth come from.
Saline is a Space-Time Witch, which on it's own means very little as it's just a type of magic and probably can't be translated into AP. However her personal 'seal' is the Space-Time Gates, which she uses in the adventure to travel from location to location and gather up the other Witches. Gaslowe was able to do the same once he stole the Seal, opening his own gate which is what let Cthulhu and Azathoth through to one of the dimensions from the between-dimension space. In his final defeat, Gaslowe is sent into the vortex Big Bang had come from which is also described as 'Interdimensional'. And in the epilogue Raffine, Saline's master, requests that Saline open more gates to visit other Witches they didn't round up, telling her to connect the space-times to do so. And in a previous adventure with the Four Gaurdians, Fenghuang describes locations like PAD Academy as an alternate dimension that is a parallel world to their original home dimension. And when we are at these Various dimensions, we can see the expected skies and space filled with stars.
I think that with all the evidence we had beforehand and all the new information from the Great Witches Arc, I believe that these Dimensions should be treated as full universes with timelines/space-times, and that the 'Dimension of the Mystic' is a collection of these space-times that forms a smaller multiverse among the other known (and currently unknown) universes/"dimensions" in the greater PAD verse.
This is important because not only did Big Bang 'Warp' the Dimension of the Mystic with his first appearance in the series (which we rated 4-A based on the stars at the time), but once again we get a statement of the power of his presence, that bringing Big Bang back was causing the Dimension of the Mystic to 'fall apart'. There's also a few more minor instances that happen, such as Gaslowe shaking the space-time the girls were currently in by using 4 of the Seals to breach it, and Gaslowe claiming that with all 5 of the Witch's seals a machine he created could 'tamper' with the Dimensions. While those are cases of the dimensions and space-time being 'affected', I believe the truly notable example is still Big Bang 'warping' and his presence being enough to cause all of them to 'fall apart', which I believe is on a scale of 'affecting' that could count of a 2-C rating based on the limited number of known space-times involved in the Dimension of the Mystic.
EDIT: Additional information that I think is important, but neglected because I was super tired from my long trips. As mentioned before, Big Bang's official title is that he is the 'Zero Dimension Creator', with his personal passive being called 'Stirring of the Creator', and that his dungeon is ALSO named similarly as the 'Zero Dimension Creator'. So that's three places Big Bang's status as having created the Zero Dimension is mentioned.
I also need to note the use of 'World' and 'Dimension'. I think it is reasonable to believe the characters' MEAN that they are talking about dimensions whenever they use the word 'World'. Fenghuang from the example above is a respected professor of PAD Academy and uses interdimensional travel to get to his job, and he still uses the word 'World' pretty liberally even after he explains the details in the example above. As shown above the narration states that the Dimension of the Mystic is made of many dimensions, but when Saline explains it she uses the word 'World'. The witches also describe beings who exist between the dimensions (Nyarlathotep, Cthulhu, and Azathoth) as 'otherWORLDly', and describe Gaslowe's machines that can interact with Dimensions and the space between Dimensions as 'otherWORLDly' as well. Saline also explains that Big Bang is capable of creating 'Worlds' within the Dimension of the Mystic and the chapter where you battle Big Bang is called 'The World Creator', however as explained above Big Bang is repeated described as a 'Dimension' creator. This is an important distinction that the characters very likely mean 'Dimension' when they say 'World' because numerous times the characters seem convinced that Gaslowe's plan and Big Bang's power will destroy 'The World' likely meaning the dimension they were currently in (but possibly the Dimension of the Mystic as a whole), with Raffine even doubling down and saying it would destroy 'ALL Worlds' almost certainly meaning the Dimension of the Mystic as a whole. I believe that this is very good supporting evidence alongside Big Bang being observed to cause the Dimension of the Mystic to fall apart with his appearance, as well as supporting the statements of his ability to 'create' as well.
If accepted...Who scales? Obviously Big Bang does, and any character who scales to Big Bang's power. That would be at least 8 Star, 9 Star, and 10 Star monsters.
But what about the Great Witches? They're 7 Stars, and they were able to fight both 'The One Who Writhes in the Void' (9 Star) and 'Zero Dimension Creator' (10 Star) forms directly. Shouldn't they scale? And also shouldn't that be a blow to the scaling chain that a group of 7 Stars were able to defeat such higher scaling foes?
...No (kinda.). Because the 'Zero Dimension Creator' fight shouldn't even scale to anyone. Raffine used her power AND a collection of seals to reduce Big Bang's power to the point where she seemed very confident she could let her students finish the battle. Even in her base form Raffine scales higher than each of her student's base forms, and her transformations scale even higher, so I think there is no contradiction that she is able to do this and leave the rest to the girls who scale lower once she's done.
However 'The One Who Writhes in the Void' fight shouldn't be considered PIS/Outlier, and I don't think contradicts anything either. First of all the Witches are clearly intimidated by Big Bang's power in this form, but they still have him outnumbered 5 to 1 AND they're being empowered by each of their personal magical hats (which each of them are 8 Stars in rating) AND their seals (which each of them are also 8 Stars in rating). Equipables, as previously established, give compatible users new powers AND a stat boost that makes them stronger in every way. Considering each of the girls each had 2 of these that scale to 8 stars in power AND they outnumbered Big Bang, I think it's fair to say that the >5x difference between an 8 Star and a 9 Star is actually pretty realistic for them to overcome as a team.
So base forms for the Great Witches should probably not scale, which means other 7 Star Monsters won't be scaling either. However, the Witches should have a justification that 'with equips' they should scale to this fight and in the ballpark of the new stats for 8 Star monsters.
With that in mind, the following pages have scaling to 8, 9, and 10 Star monsters or direct scaling based on events in the arc that will need updated if accepted:
A lot of characters showed up, a lot of them got new lore, new powers, new matchups...There's a lot of work we need to do update wise but lets start it simple with JUST AP, because there's basically only one AP feat of note and it ties back into an older AP feat as well. Lets talk about the Cosmology of the Dimension of the Mystic, and Big Bang (again).
The Dimension of the Mystic is described in narration as not being just 1 dimension in the PAD verse, but it's actually 'where many dimensions converge'. (Zela Chapter Prologue). How many total dimensions? We don't know, and it's not totally clear, they haven't shown us all of them. The 'Zero Dimension' where we fight Big Bang on his home turf is 'MD4', or the 4th of these Dimensions we've officially had titled. So there's definitely more than 2, probably 4, likely more but we currently don't know enough specifics. It also has space between the dimensions, this interdimensional space is where creatures like Nyarlathotep, Cthulhu, and Azathoth come from.
Saline is a Space-Time Witch, which on it's own means very little as it's just a type of magic and probably can't be translated into AP. However her personal 'seal' is the Space-Time Gates, which she uses in the adventure to travel from location to location and gather up the other Witches. Gaslowe was able to do the same once he stole the Seal, opening his own gate which is what let Cthulhu and Azathoth through to one of the dimensions from the between-dimension space. In his final defeat, Gaslowe is sent into the vortex Big Bang had come from which is also described as 'Interdimensional'. And in the epilogue Raffine, Saline's master, requests that Saline open more gates to visit other Witches they didn't round up, telling her to connect the space-times to do so. And in a previous adventure with the Four Gaurdians, Fenghuang describes locations like PAD Academy as an alternate dimension that is a parallel world to their original home dimension. And when we are at these Various dimensions, we can see the expected skies and space filled with stars.
I think that with all the evidence we had beforehand and all the new information from the Great Witches Arc, I believe that these Dimensions should be treated as full universes with timelines/space-times, and that the 'Dimension of the Mystic' is a collection of these space-times that forms a smaller multiverse among the other known (and currently unknown) universes/"dimensions" in the greater PAD verse.
This is important because not only did Big Bang 'Warp' the Dimension of the Mystic with his first appearance in the series (which we rated 4-A based on the stars at the time), but once again we get a statement of the power of his presence, that bringing Big Bang back was causing the Dimension of the Mystic to 'fall apart'. There's also a few more minor instances that happen, such as Gaslowe shaking the space-time the girls were currently in by using 4 of the Seals to breach it, and Gaslowe claiming that with all 5 of the Witch's seals a machine he created could 'tamper' with the Dimensions. While those are cases of the dimensions and space-time being 'affected', I believe the truly notable example is still Big Bang 'warping' and his presence being enough to cause all of them to 'fall apart', which I believe is on a scale of 'affecting' that could count of a 2-C rating based on the limited number of known space-times involved in the Dimension of the Mystic.
EDIT: Additional information that I think is important, but neglected because I was super tired from my long trips. As mentioned before, Big Bang's official title is that he is the 'Zero Dimension Creator', with his personal passive being called 'Stirring of the Creator', and that his dungeon is ALSO named similarly as the 'Zero Dimension Creator'. So that's three places Big Bang's status as having created the Zero Dimension is mentioned.
I also need to note the use of 'World' and 'Dimension'. I think it is reasonable to believe the characters' MEAN that they are talking about dimensions whenever they use the word 'World'. Fenghuang from the example above is a respected professor of PAD Academy and uses interdimensional travel to get to his job, and he still uses the word 'World' pretty liberally even after he explains the details in the example above. As shown above the narration states that the Dimension of the Mystic is made of many dimensions, but when Saline explains it she uses the word 'World'. The witches also describe beings who exist between the dimensions (Nyarlathotep, Cthulhu, and Azathoth) as 'otherWORLDly', and describe Gaslowe's machines that can interact with Dimensions and the space between Dimensions as 'otherWORLDly' as well. Saline also explains that Big Bang is capable of creating 'Worlds' within the Dimension of the Mystic and the chapter where you battle Big Bang is called 'The World Creator', however as explained above Big Bang is repeated described as a 'Dimension' creator. This is an important distinction that the characters very likely mean 'Dimension' when they say 'World' because numerous times the characters seem convinced that Gaslowe's plan and Big Bang's power will destroy 'The World' likely meaning the dimension they were currently in (but possibly the Dimension of the Mystic as a whole), with Raffine even doubling down and saying it would destroy 'ALL Worlds' almost certainly meaning the Dimension of the Mystic as a whole. I believe that this is very good supporting evidence alongside Big Bang being observed to cause the Dimension of the Mystic to fall apart with his appearance, as well as supporting the statements of his ability to 'create' as well.
If accepted...Who scales? Obviously Big Bang does, and any character who scales to Big Bang's power. That would be at least 8 Star, 9 Star, and 10 Star monsters.
But what about the Great Witches? They're 7 Stars, and they were able to fight both 'The One Who Writhes in the Void' (9 Star) and 'Zero Dimension Creator' (10 Star) forms directly. Shouldn't they scale? And also shouldn't that be a blow to the scaling chain that a group of 7 Stars were able to defeat such higher scaling foes?
...No (kinda.). Because the 'Zero Dimension Creator' fight shouldn't even scale to anyone. Raffine used her power AND a collection of seals to reduce Big Bang's power to the point where she seemed very confident she could let her students finish the battle. Even in her base form Raffine scales higher than each of her student's base forms, and her transformations scale even higher, so I think there is no contradiction that she is able to do this and leave the rest to the girls who scale lower once she's done.
However 'The One Who Writhes in the Void' fight shouldn't be considered PIS/Outlier, and I don't think contradicts anything either. First of all the Witches are clearly intimidated by Big Bang's power in this form, but they still have him outnumbered 5 to 1 AND they're being empowered by each of their personal magical hats (which each of them are 8 Stars in rating) AND their seals (which each of them are also 8 Stars in rating). Equipables, as previously established, give compatible users new powers AND a stat boost that makes them stronger in every way. Considering each of the girls each had 2 of these that scale to 8 stars in power AND they outnumbered Big Bang, I think it's fair to say that the >5x difference between an 8 Star and a 9 Star is actually pretty realistic for them to overcome as a team.
So base forms for the Great Witches should probably not scale, which means other 7 Star Monsters won't be scaling either. However, the Witches should have a justification that 'with equips' they should scale to this fight and in the ballpark of the new stats for 8 Star monsters.
With that in mind, the following pages have scaling to 8, 9, and 10 Star monsters or direct scaling based on events in the arc that will need updated if accepted:
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