Problem with universal King Crimson (time-skip)

[Seventy96]

Time stop (The World and Star Platinum) being universal makes perfect sense, because if it will cover only earth, it will be in desynchronization to entire universe which would cause a lot of trouble.
King Crimson is the opposite of that. Since KC is universal, the entire world experience the time skip. Imagine few scenarios:
1. F1 drivers need to be in constant focus.If KC uses his ability during the tournament, most drivers will lose the focus, causing many car accidents and deaths etc. Every media would talk about it.
2. Most people would notice that something is wrong, which would turn into mass hysteria.
But, in JoJo world there is no reaction on KC powers. If KC only on certain, short area, nobody would notice, and lack of any reaction is understandable. With time stop there is no such a problem, because nobody would be unaware of time stop.

Reaction of people from JoJo world is unimportant

Actually, Araki is very depictive about how JoJo world react to certain phenomenon on universal scale like Made in Heaven.

So, what do you think? Is King Crimson being universal makes sense or not?

 

[TrueKingOfHeroes]

I think it make sense.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

good point, but none of this is useful evidence
if still has statements of it being a time ability, and there is nothing that suggests it's isolated, then it's still universal range

 

[StrymULTRA]

Yeah no. Not that authors care about this stuff and MiH stuff was only because of how it was important in the fight, much, much more than KC.

1. F1 drivers need to be in constant focus.If KC uses his ability during the tournament, most drivers will lose the focus, causing many car accidents and deaths etc. Every media would talk about it.
2. Most people would notice that something is wrong, which would turn into mass hysteria.

Diavolo had that stand much before Part 5 started, and yet no one noticed it. Heck, he had King Crimson since the events of P4 and no one noticed, and only way to notice that was using stuff like clocks ot bloof from dudes who already know how KC works.

But, in JoJo world there is no reaction on KC powers. If KC only on certain, short area, nobody would notice, and lack of any reaction is understandable. With time stop there is no such a problem, because nobody would be unaware of time stop.

There are three issues here:

1. Manga already stated that "no one in the world is aware of what happens in skipped time".
2. Araki himself stated that all time abilities affect all the space.
3. Nothing in JJBA ever stated that effects of time skip are isolated. Would make much more sense if it was something like memory erasure, but that's clearly not if you watched/read Part 5.

TLDR. This thing is dumb.

 

[Seventy96]

Yeah no. Not that authors care about this stuff and MiH stuff was only because of how it was important in the fight, much, much more than KC.

Diavolo had that stand much before Part 5 started, and yet no one noticed it. Heck, he had King Crimson since the events of P4 and no one noticed, and only way to notice that was using stuff like clocks ot bloof from dudes who already know how KC works.


There are three issues here:

1. Manga already stated that "no one in the world is aware of what happens in skipped time".
2. Araki himself stated that all time abilities affect all the space.
3. Nothing in JJBA ever stated that effects of time skip are isolated. Would make much more sense if it was something like memory erasure, but that's clearly not if you watched/read Part 5.

TLDR. This thing is dumb.

Yes, nobody is aware what happaned in skipped time but they aware what happaned after time skip. They are aware, that they instantly moved to a different place.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Yes, nonody is aware what happaned in skipped time but they aware what happaned after time skip. They are aware, that they instantly moved to a different place.

This doesn't answer to the statements of KC affecting all the space tho.

 

[Bernkastelll]

Yes, nobody is aware what happaned in skipped time but they aware what happaned after time skip. They are aware, that they instantly moved to a different place.

Not really, they have problems to know it, such as nobody understanding how Narancia ate the chocolate (iirc it was a chocolate), even Narancia himself didnt knew it, also Polnareff, as the only way that he used to know that the time skip happend was due the blood shit, and the relation of this argument with MIH is really bad, as the visual effect of the entire universe being accelerated to infinity is totally different than a time skip, that doesnt really change the visuals


so, I disagree with the thread

 

[Seventy96]

This doesn't answer to the statements of KC affecting all the space tho.

But it's weird, that there is no reaction for such a thing.

 

[Bernkastelll]

But it's weird, that there is no reaction for such a thing.

, and the relation of this argument with MIH is really bad, as the visual effect of the entire universe being accelerated to infinity is totally different than a time skip, that doesnt really change the visuals


so, I disagree with the thread

 

[StrymULTRA]

But it's weird, that there is no reaction for such a thing.

This is not a contradiction for these statements. That's argument from incredulity from your part. Prove this negative from your part.

 

[BlastX]

Also like...the only people that realize something changed is people who are close to KC when it happened or stand users (I think, I may be wrong).

When KC Time Erases everyone else goes like normal as if it didn't happen.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Also like...the only people that realize something changed is people who are close to KC when it happened or stand users (I think, I may be wrong).

When KC Time Erases everyone else goes like normal as if it didn't happen.

That's because Araki only focuses on main cast.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Pucci time ability affected the universe, Dio/Jotaro time ability affected the universe, Kira time bomb affected the universe

Why would Diavolo time ability be any lesser? He literally manipulates the same time others have did as well, let alone all time related powers shown to be of universal range

You need proper proof his is limited and there aint any of that, let alone King Crimson says the whole world is affected from this, which means the universe in jojo context

And using the idea of "people would realize something is up and get found out" is poor argument as well, the maid that entered his room to clean seen him and after time skip just wondered what she was up to and continued with her stuff as usual, only the crew noticed something was wrong most of the time and thats only cuz they either knew his power or when giorno was worried for bruno, latter one all acted pretty normal when they had their first experiences with it

 

[KingTempest]

Yeah no. Not that authors care about this stuff and MiH stuff was only because of how it was important in the fight, much, much more than KC.

Diavolo had that stand much before Part 5 started, and yet no one noticed it. Heck, he had King Crimson since the events of P4 and no one noticed, and only way to notice that was using stuff like clocks ot bloof from dudes who already know how KC works.


There are three issues here:

1. Manga already stated that "no one in the world is aware of what happens in skipped time".
2. Araki himself stated that all time abilities affect all the space.
3. Nothing in JJBA ever stated that effects of time skip are isolated. Would make much more sense if it was something like memory erasure, but that's clearly not if you watched/read Part 5.

TLDR. This thing is dumb.

Outside of the "this is dumb", I agree with this point.

 

[Chariot190]

JoJoaGoGo states that abilities like time stop effect "the whole world", world, not as in "lol earth", but world as in "everything that exists".

They categorized under "Range Irrelevant" abilities in the book because of that, they don't have a range, they straight up effect everything in existence.

 

[Chariot190]

Time stop (The World and Star Platinum) being universal makes perfect sense, because if it will cover only earth, it will be in desynchronization to entire universe which would cause a lot of trouble.
King Crimson is the opposite of that. Since KC is universal, the entire world experience the time skip. Imagine few scenarios:
1. F1 drivers need to be in constant focus.If KC uses his ability during the tournament, most drivers will lose the focus, causing many car accidents and deaths etc. Every media would talk about it.
2. Most people would notice that something is wrong, which would turn into mass hysteria.
But, in JoJo world there is no reaction on KC powers. If KC only on certain, short area, nobody would notice, and lack of any reaction is understandable. With time stop there is no such a problem, because nobody would be unaware of time stop.

Actually, Araki is very depictive about how JoJo world react to certain phenomenon on universal scale like Made in Heaven.

So, what do you think? Is King Crimson being universal makes sense or not?

King Crimson is straight up stated to effect, at minimum, everything in the world anyway in his opening arc, so yeah, **** those F1 Drivers.

 

[StrymULTRA]

They categorized under "Range Irrelevant" abilities in the book because of that, they don't have a range, they straight up effect everything in existence.

2-A range

 

[ZillertheBucko]

time skip only affects the world, meaning it's useless unless he's fighting dio

 

[Chariot190]

time skip only affects the world, meaning it's useless unless he's fighting dio

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[StrymULTRA]

time skip only affects the world, meaning it's useless unless he's fighting dio

What are you wanting to say here.

 

[BlastX]

It's a joke about the wording of it's range and DIO's stand name

 

[Chariot190]

What are you wanting to say here.

He made a pun.

 

[StekFence]

Logically speaking, Diavalo shouldn’t have really had a reason to spam King Crimson so many times. If It’s very uncommon, then people might not notice. Or, pis

 

[TheGunsFinalWrath]

World is, multiple times referred as Universal in JoJo (Sekai or whatever it was) Or it can be referred to as Universal, due to Araki himself referring to "World" as Universal. Manga and guidebooks refer to this too.

 

[Chariot190]

World is, multiple times referred as Universal in JoJo (Sekai or whatever it was) Or it can be referred to as Universal, due to Araki himself referring to "World" as Universal. Manga and guidebooks refer to this too.

That's not even the main reason, it effects all of time-space, shit like that.

 

[TheGunsFinalWrath]

That's not even the main reason, it effects all of time-space, shit like that.

I was just talking about the times when "World" is mentioned throughout the whole series and such. Was just saying. And yeah, it does affect all of time-space too. Ik that.