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Princess Luna Stars level ?

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@Pikachu Please explain.

@Paulo It isn't about what I want, but about what seems accurate.
 
No.

"Tying into season 7". This means the comic ties into season 7, season 7 doesn't have to tie into the comic. If the creators of the show do not follow the comic, do not use it as part of their canon, and Hasbro will potentially delete parts of the comic if it contradicts the show, it is not part of the show's canon.

Almost every response from writers and creators on both ends has been "we don't care. Consider it what you want". You can consider the comics part of the canon, just as someone can choose not to accept them as canon. But if they have literally no impact on the show, contradict parts of it, and are considered lesser by Hasbro, they do not get to be used for show scaling. Period.

If a comic comes up in the future that directly connects with the show, that is an entirely different issue. In that instance, the show story must directly correspond to the comic story. It cannot just be mention of something from later in the season that the comic writers were told was coming up. It must be a cohesive tie in to fully solidify canon.
 
I definitely agree with Azathoth.

I would appreciate if we could immediately get past this part of the conversation, and instead collaborate regarding which profiles that need to be adjusted, and which comicbook feats and powers that need to be replaced or removed.
 
It would take metters for example "FTL + with Telekinesis" and movement speed i don't know
 
Azzy, quite frankly, you're wrong. But whatever, nobody here actually listens to anything I have to say anyways, I've been told I was wrong countless times until I've been proven right later (Power Rangers, MLP). They still have their Relativistic feat and the only thing the comics ever really gave us that was needed was the Sub-Rel movement speed. If we are using the Rel feat for movement speed like Azzy said earlier, that would scale to the Alicorns and all characters close to them in speed (Rainbow Dash, Wonderbolts, etc), as well as for reactions for some forms of Tirek and Adult Spike for reacting to characters like this. Otherwise, the 4-C and High 4-C scaling I gave earlier in the thread should be good. In addition, there's also the Tier 6 feats for the lower tier characters I would like to be accepted or denied one day, it's been sitting there without check from the calc members for like a week.
 
I also agree with Matt regarding the comicbook scaling.

@Pika. Thanks for reminding me, I'll contact the other members.
 
Well, they don't really have any good speed feats, so they should stay at Peak Human. With self-levitation Starlight can keep up with RD and Twilight though so she scales to them. Fluttershy can keep up with RD when angry, but otherwise nothing notable. I don't know where Light Speed for Filli-Second comes from, but it was stated Pinkie Pie with that speed went 65 city blocks to buy something and went back the exact same way in less than half a second, which I think you can calc with a rough estimation of how long a city block is.
 
Screw it. To put this to rest, I am going to put this here. This comment is from the comic series' editor and chief authority.

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Direct WoG statement. We are not scaling things in the comic to the show unless the show itself uses said part of the comics as canon. The show is under no obligation to even acknowledge the existence if the comics, otherwise.
 
When the Season 7 finale makes specific reference to Shadowlock and that arc in the comics I'm coming back to this conversation
 
That's kind of the definition of secondary canon, it is in the same universe, but not directly linked, it doesn't interfere in the main events, but it is technically canon, that's why they try to stay loyal to the show. But whatever, if you guys don't want to use the comics, then, don't, it's your wiki.
 
@Paulo

...What? No it isn't. That's like saying GT is secondary canon.

@Pikachu

"If we introduce something new, they are free to keep it or leave it."

This is not always all or nothing. Bobby literally just said that the show can take parts of the comic they like into canon.
 
Which is why we should be able to take what doesn't contradict into the scaling? I agree with Matt and Dark on the matter.
 
That's not how it works. Bobby literally says what they do in the comics has no effect on the show unless they choose for it to be so.

Example: In the comics, Sombra is an Umbrum. Does this mean he's an Umbrum in the show's universe? No, because the show has not even acknowledged that as a thing. He could be, if the show decides to make it canon later on, but until they do, it is in a state of limbo where such a thing does not exist in the world of the show. We can't use something that is stated to not even exist in-universe unless the showrunners acknowledge it and scale it to things in the show.
 
Well, I personally don't like to use the "It doesn't affect those other events = It didn't happen" logic, or else a lot of things out there could suddenly become non-canon, but whatever, I'm bored anyway, can we talk about something else?
 
I don't really understand that line of thinking, sorry, I'm of the opinion we can use a bunch of stuff from the comics as long as it doesn't contradict anything in the show.

Anyways, Tier 6 MLP just got accepted, so we can give those now, that scales to:

Queen Chrysalis (Base), King Thorax, Adult Spike, Base Tirek, Maud, Starlight (Season 5 Premiere), Wonderbolts, Gilda, Big Mac, Sunset Shimmer Mane 6, Shining Armor, Trixie and maybe the average Changeling & Derpy.
 
@Pikachu

It's not about any particular line of thinking or opinion. It is about what we have been flat out told by the highest authority of the comics

  • the stories in tbe comic have no bearing on the show
  • the show can straight up negate things from the comics
  • the show is free to accept or ignore ideas from the comics
This is an objective statement from the actual editor. If something from the comics becomes canon to the show, said thing is canon. If the show ignores it, it's not canon until the show decides to accept or deny it. If the show negates something from the comics, the comic portion is objectively non-canon. Simple.

The Tier 6 stuff seems fine. Though why fodder Changelings? Weren't they beaten en masse during the S2 finale?
 
Azathoth the Abyssal Idiot said:
This is an objective statement from the actual editor. If something from the comics becomes canon to the show, said thing is canon. If the show ignores it, it's not canon until the show decides to accept or deny it. If the show negates something from the comics, the comic portion is objectively non-canon. Simple.
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So... Now you do think it is secondary canon? I don't get it, do you think it is non-canon or secondary canon?
 
They were part of the explosion that is scaling to everybody, though you can argue they were surrounded by a magical aura. I'm fine with not scaling them.

Either way, from what I can tell, top tiers are getting Rel speed, lower tiers typically get the reactions but otherwise have Peak Human, and certain other characters need to be downgraded from High 4-C to 4-C and 4-B to High 4-C, as well as the Tier 6 stuff.
 
@Paulo

I don't particularly care what it's called. Just that it is not canon to the show unless a certain part is made canon to the show. It can have pages, but its a unique continuity.

@Pikachu

Maybe a "possibly higher" after their base tier, then?
 
For unique characters, yes. Bookworm already has one, and forms like Nightmare Rarity and Accord are unique enough to classify as their own entities.
 
Possibly higher could work.

Also, just did a very quick calc based on the 900 ft of the average Manhattan city block (which the city in Power Ponies is based off of). I got roughly Mach 207, or Massively Hypersonic, though this is extremely casual, plus Pinkie seems to be able to keep up with Rainbow Dash anyways without the power.
 
Pikachu942 said:
Possibly higher could work.
Also, just did a very quick calc based on the 900 ft of the average Manhattan city block (which the city in Power Ponies is based off of). I got roughly Mach 207, or Massively Hypersonic, though this is extremely casual, plus Pinkie seems to be able to keep up with Rainbow Dash anyways without the power.
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Could you post this calc as a blog? That way we can give a definitive speed to RD tier characters.
 
Finished the calc. I don't really see how this will help, because based on other scaling Pinkie should be around RD who is comparable to the Alicorns (consistently was beating Twilight in a race back in Season 5 Episode 3, "Castle Sweet Castle")
 
I assume we can just backwards scale like that, then, unless I'm missing some context from another part of the ep that I overlooked.

Don't know what Ant thinks.
 
I personally think it's fine, which would bring all the speed scaling to what I said earlier. I don't think any of the lower tiers have any good feats beyond Peak Human or Superhuman or something like that, we'd definitely need to check through.
 
What tier would fodder ponies be, anyway? I don't think we have profiles for any of them yet, but it would still be good to know.
 
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