Power increase for Yamamoto?

[Amlad22]

When Yamamoto used his ultimate attack in an attempt to kill Aizen. It backfired and was used against him. Aizen then stated that if Yamamoto let the explosion of his attack go off it would have destroyed karakura town and an area multiple times greater than it.

Surrounding karakura town is the mountain ranges that Aizen and Ichigo fought in. Doesn't that mean that Yamamoto's shikai was strong enough to destroy those same mountain ranges? I think so. Going off of this Yamamoto's shikai should be increase to at least mountain level if not higher.

 

[Amlad22]

Bump

 

[LordAizenSama]

Way to speculative. You need better evidence that it would destroy mountains.

 

[Ciruno_Fortes_(COB)]

Wait, I think he's onto something. How close are the mountain ranges? If they're right by then it should be considered. If not.... well...

 

[Amlad22]

Way to speculative. You need better evidence that it would destroy mountains.

Ok, what about this?

http://www.goodmanga.net/bleach/chapter/395/13

Aizen states that Yamamoto's ennetsu jikou would turn an area far greater than karakura town to ashes. The area around karakura town where Ichigo and Aizen faughy would be caught in this explosion and Aizen said it would be "turned to ash". Going off of this Yamamoto can turn entire mountain ranges to ash with time to set his attack up.

I think that Yamamoto's shikai stats should be

City level+ with shikai Possibly island level with prep time

 

[Amlad22]

Wait, I think he's onto something. How close are the mountain ranges? If they're right by then it should be considered. If not.... well...

The clashes could be seen by Ichigo's group in karakura town. So they couldn't have been too far away. Defiantly inside the "area far greater than karakura town" that Aizen spoke of

 

[LordAizenSama]

Sorry, theres no way I'm going to ever agree to this.

 

[Amlad22]

Why not?

The main factors in this decision are: -How large is Yamamoto's attack -How close are the mountains to karakura town

We know from Aizen himself that Yamamoto's attack would have turned the area far greater than karakura town to ash. We also know that Ichigo'a group could see Aizen and Ichigo fighting, meaning that the fight was relatively close to the town. Put these two facts together and it makes perfect sense

 

[LordAizenSama]

Because it's pure speculation that would ruin the hard evidence put into the profiles.

Also the mountains you are referring to is In Soul Society with the real kurakura town. Yama's flames threatened to destroy the boundary in the fake kurakura town, which then would of destroyed more of the town. not the area in Soul Society.

 

[Amlad22]

http://www.goodmanga.net/bleach/chapter/395/13

Aizen stated that the town, the barrier AND an area far greater than the town would be tuned to ash.

It is also shown how close these mountain ranges are to the town. Once again showing that they would be in the "turned to ashes area" that Aizen spoke of

 

[Soldier_Blue]

I too would like to see shikai Yama-jii bumped up to island level at the very least. I don't think he should be weaker than the Royal Guard members (other than Ichibei) and Yoruichi who are rated at island level. But as it stands, other than scaling from the Royal Guard members and Yoruichi, what other evidence to support island level shikai Yama-jii is there?

 

[Amlad22]

I too would like to see shikai Yama-jii bumped up to island level at the very least. I don't think he should be weaker than the Royal Guard members (other than Ichibei) and Yoruichi who are rated at island level. But as it stands, other than scaling from the Royal Guard members and Yoruichi, what other evidence to support island level shikai Yama-jii is there?

It was all stated above but to sum it up. Aizen stated that Yamamoto's ennetsu jikou would have turned karakura town and an area far greater than karakura town to ash. The area around karakura town is filled with mountain ranges. The same mountains that Ichigo and Aizen faught in. In the picture above it is also clearly shown how close these mountains are. They are clearly inside the "turned to ash zone"

 

[Soldier_Blue]

Yeah I read all that but as Aizen pointed out, too much speculation is involved. How do you know Yama-jii would have outright busted the mountain range rather than simply reducing their surfaces to ash?

 

[Amlad22]

Yeah I read all that but as Aizen pointed out, too much speculation is involved. How do you know Yama-jii would have outright busted the mountain range rather than simply reducing their surfaces to ash?

I don't see which part of it is speculation. I found that there are mountain ranges closely surrounding karakura town and that Yamamoto was able to reduced an area far greater than karakura town to ashes Reducing the entire mountain range to ashes should be enough to be put in the mountain tier. The fact that he's reducing multiple mountains to ash is what makes me think he's island level (with prep time obviously)

 

[Soldier_Blue]

@Amlad22

Again, that Yama-jii would have indeed busted those mountains is pure speculation. It would be better for you to argue that shikai Yama-jii should be island level by power scaling from the Royal Guard and Yoruichi.

 

[Antvasima]

I agree with LordAizenSama.

 

[Amlad22]

@Amlad22

Again, that Yama-jii would have indeed busted those mountains is pure speculation. It would be better for you to argue that shikai Yama-jii should be island level by power scaling from the Royal Guard and Yoruichi.

I'm not speculating anything actually. Aizen said that the area would be turned to ash. The mountains would be included in this. How is being reduced to ash not good?

 

[Soldier_Blue]

@Amlad22

Being reduced to ash is quite vague. It could mean literally reducing the mountains themselves to ash or just scorching their surfaces which would mean environmental destruction.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

If Shikai Yamamoto is upgraded to Island level via powerscaling, it would also scale to Base Bazz-B. Then Renji would also be Island level scaling from Bazz-B, and then Rukia would scale from Renji. It might also affect some Sternritter like Mask de Masculine since he fought Renji.

 

[Amlad22]

Well I doubt Aizen would overexagerate the attack power, he has no reason to do that. Even if we lowball Yamamoto and assume it's environmental destruction then can't we change his profile to island level with environmental destruction. Even if the attack power is not island level the enviormental destruction should at least be that high.

 

[Gwynbleiddd]

The calc that puts the feat at City level+ is already a high end of the feat so any attemp to bust it by vague assumptions is unreasonable.

 

[Gwynbleiddd]

Also where did you get Island level?Aizen pretty much said that it was going to destroy an area bigger than the town so......

 

[Amlad22]

Also where did you get Island level?Aizen pretty much said that it was going to destroy an area bigger than the town so......

The area surrounding karakura town is filled with mountain ranges that were never included in any calcs.

 

[Amlad22]

If Shikai Yamamoto is upgraded to Island level via powerscaling, it would also scale to Base Bazz-B. Then Renji would also be Island level scaling from Bazz-B, and then Rukia would scale from Renji. It might also affect some Sternritter like Mask de Masculine since he fought Renji.

This is only Yamamoto with prep time. Without prep he is still city level+

 

[Gwynbleiddd]

@Amlad22 These weren't mountains, they were hills.

 

[LordAizenSama]

The area surrounding karakura town is filled with mountain ranges that were never included in any calcs.

No it isn't. the mountains are in soul society.

Look, this is getting tedious and is not going to happen, so i'd appreciate it if this topic gets dropped.

 

[Amlad22]

I feel like I need to add this

http://mangaseeonline.net/read-online/Dragon-Ball-Full-Color-Saiyan-Arc-chapter-37.html

This is the chapter where Vegeta says he will turn the earth to ashes. Everybody agrees and says that he will bust the planet. So why now are people doubting that when Aizen says Yamamoto will turn the town/mountain ranges to ash, he will actually do it?

 

[Gwynbleiddd]

HILLS for gods sake they are hills, and an area bigger than the town doesn't automatically mean everything we can see with our eyes.Even if we counted some of the hills being destroyed and the fact that the existing calc is already a high ball there is no way this is getting past City level+

 

[Soldier_Blue]

Precedent - Because we have a nice small planet level feat before this from a character a tiny fraction as powerful. And these things have to be examined on a case by case basis. Don't bring another verse into this.

 

[Amlad22]

No it isn't. the mountains are in soul society.

Look, this is getting tedious and is not going to happen, so i'd appreciate it if this topic gets dropped.

In the picture with Dangai Ichigo I posted, the real karakura town has mountains ranges. Soul society also had mountains, so either way there are mountains that haven't been accounted for in yama's ennetsu jikou power

 

[Amlad22]

HILLS for gods sake they are hills, and an area bigger than the town doesn't automatically mean everything we can see with our eyes.Even if we counted some of the hills being destroyed and the fact that the existing calc is already a high ball there is no way this is getting past City level+

The area that Dangai Ichigo and Hogyoku Aizen fought in had mountains. Saying that they are hills would cause a major increase in Dangai Ichigo and Hogyoku Aizen power.

 

[AppleLord]

IIRC it was stated that if the pillars were destroy, the towns would swap places between Soul Society and the World of the living, which means that Yamamoto's flames would indeed destroy those mountains. Was it Aizen or Mayuri that stated that? I forgot. Anyways, Aizen fear Yamamoto's Shikai, and created an arrancar to sealed its power.

 

[Antvasima]

I agree with LordAizenSama and Kkapoios. You can close the topic if you wish.

 

[Amlad22]

I agree with LordAizenSama and Kkapoios. You can close the topic if you wish.

Shouldn't we get more people to look at it? Well whatever

 

[Amlad22]

IIRC it was stated that if the pillars were destroy, the towns would swap places between Soul Society and the World of the living, which means that Yamamoto's flames would indeed destroy those mountains. Was it Aizen or Mayuri that stated that? I forgot. Anyways, Aizen fear Yamamoto's Shikai, and created an arrancar to sealed its power.

This proves my point even more. And it was stated by Aizen who knew about the pillars