Potential Profile for Dragon Ball Fusions Protagonist

[JustSomeWeirdo]

I know I should probably make a blog for this, but there is one part of the game where I can't figure out what power they're at ..and I can't edit blog posts

Beginning of Floor 1 - Nappa stomps them, but Ziku also mistaken Nappa and Raditz's power for Trunks and Goten, so at least Low 5-B, possibly 4-C

By the end of Floor 1 - They're definitely comparable to Base Goten and Trunks, if not High 4-C, considering they then traded blows with Natz, who should be Nappa + Raditz, who Ziku thought were Goten and Trunks based on power alone

Floor 2 - High 4-C+, scaling to Pan

Beginning of Floor 3 - At least High 4-C+, but at this point Goku says they would lose to Cell

Post Training with Goku/End of Floor 3 - At least 4-B, battled an army of Cells with the help of his team, scaling to Goku wouldn't make sense

Floor 4 - 4-A, could damage and take hits from Broly, fought Great Ape Broly

Floor 5 - Depends on if Goku and Vegeta were serious in their fight, but considering they would have to be holding back 2 degrees of infinity (Mira and Towa are present, XV1 is referenced by them), I'm not certain if they should scale to XV SSB Goku or not, but to be safe I assume At least 4-A

Floor 6 - Unless F5 scales to XV Goku..... At least 4-A, scaling to Janemba, Baby, Hirudegarn, and Omega Shenro

Floor 7 - The energy required for the protagonists to enter Floor 7 was stated to be able to rival Beerus, iirc, but..... considering they fight a held back Beerus at Endgame....if they don't scale to XV Goku, (although they have a serious fight right after this Floor is over, and there's no implied power increase), 3-A, if not Low 2-C, Great Ape Ultra Pinich is stated to be able to destroy the universe, and base Ultra Pinich was also summoning alternate versions of Cell and Frieza from timespace holes without even doing anything, but, considering they fight XV SSB Goku and Vegeta, alongside held back Beerus and Whis (unless we want to say they went straight for Hercule...which I kinda doubt, Goku and Vegeta wanted to go all out with the protagonist), also higher when EX Fused with Pinich (EX Fusion is stated to have the power of a Potara fusion), higher when EX Fused in SSJ (because we'll...he'd logically be stronger than base)

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

Everything seems fine. Except Floor 5 and abovd. By Floor 5, The protagonist should scale to XV if it is directly referenced.. Not saying you are lying, but may I ask where you got the info from ? If Goku and Vegeta fought seriously ( or even somewhat seriously... As even their base is 2-B at this point ) ... 2-B Dragon Ball Fusions is possible.

 

[JustSomeWeirdo]

Towa and Mira reference Xenoverse Trunks messing with their plans, which is why they increase Broly's power to get back at Trunks for what his future self did (this happens in Floor 4)


Although, Goku and Vegeta said they weren't planning on using fusion against F5 Protag, meaning they were at least somewhat serious, and they were also fighting in SSB

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

I see... Scaling to 2-B isn't bad. To what extent though ? Could he take on SSB Goku or something ?

 

[JustSomeWeirdo]

Well, SSB Goku and Vegeta fought and then fused into Gogeta against the protagonist in Floor 5, but Gogeta was only in SSJ

But Gogeta did give more trouble than Goku and Vegeta did individually, and almost won, so there's that

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

Base Goku from end of XV definitely scales to Toki-Toki Demigra BTW.. So... A XV Gogeta definitely would allow them to scale .

So does the protagonist rival Beerus ? If they do.... They scale to far higher ends of 2-B

 

[Super_Saiyan_God_Julian]

Well Goku in Xenoverse scales to Heroes Goku who should be 2-B in Base. If they fought in SSB then it will probably be 2-B.

 

[JustSomeWeirdo]

At the end of the game you fight a held back Beerus and Whis alongside fully serious SSB Goku and Vegeta (Goku wanted to go all out).....also Hercule which means they should be 2-A scaling to him

Also Frieza and Cell were planning on using Great Ape Ultra Pinich to defeat Beerus, buuuut Beerus then does his usual "I'm holding back" after you fight him.....

 

[JustSomeWeirdo]

So basically, Floor 5+ is 2-B for fighting SSB post XV1 Goku

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

Yeah pretty much.

 

[JustSomeWeirdo]

There's also Floor 6/7 Ultra Fused Protagonist, who used a spirit bomb and absorbed it (which would also means they gained God Ki, considering SSB Goku, SSB Vegeta, Beerus, and Whis were giving energy to them), and then went through the timespace hole into Floor 7 (which Shenron said that it required energy that rivals that of Beerus, who helped Shenron create the entirety of the timespace tournament), the Ultra Fusion also then got defused by a single hit from Ultra Pinich, but that could've just been that the time ran out (considering the protagonist then beats Ultra Pinich in his Great Ape form)

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

It could be they rival Beerus... Doesn't mean they surpasses him or equals him. It could have been like something like Champa.

 

[JustSomeWeirdo]

Well, it could just be that Post Spirit Bomb Absorption Ultra Fusion was able to rival (XV) Beerus (Said Spirit bomb also came from the energy of all of timespace) but I don't know how to add it to the profile considering it requires outside help....and it has a time limit

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

Woody says ..."2-B ... 2-B everywhere. " .

A thing i saw: Ultra Pinich ( Base ) also destroyed the time barrier of all time and space just by flying though... . Something that only Beerus could do.... Yeah .

 

[JustSomeWeirdo]

Well, he escaped the timespace into the real world (Floor 7 is the real world)

Ultra Protagonist + Spirit Bomb = Beerus = Ultra Pinich = Base Protagonist = Great Ape Ultra Pinich << Cell + Frieza = Protagonist + Pinich

And this is where it gets weird

Cell and Frieza thought they needed Great Ape to beat Beerus....then it lost to Protagonist (Although that was likely because Pinich was regaining control and trying to stop Frieza and Cell) and was then stronger than Protagonist with an EX Fusion considering they had a battle with Pinich and Protag's EX Fusion

And then held back Beerus matches the protagonist

Endgame is incredibly inconsistent

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

... Yeah it gets weird. Technically even Goten fits there, as he's a canon part of fighting Ultra Pinich and Great Ape Ultra Pinich... That's weird... The scaling is awkward... I do know now Dragon Ball Fusions exceeds Xenoverse in power though . And in the end both base Pinich and Base Protagonist likely exceed their powers as Ultra Fusions...

OKAY .

 

[JustSomeWeirdo]

Implying Goten being 2-B is weirder than Kid Goku being 2-B via scaling to XV SSB Goku

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

I know... That's why I said it.

Anyways.... Either use just the story, or say Beerus is lying cause he is overconfident in his abilities.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

Bump . Because I notices something

They said that the power to surpass all of time and space was required to go through the barrier... I also noticed that JUST before the Spirit Bomb was formed, and when they fused, Shenron said " Your wish is granted . " . Wouldn't this imply that the fusion alone was capable of breaking the barrier ? It would make sense, considering Base Ultra Pinich was enough

Great Ape Ultra Pinich >>>> Base Ultra Pinich ( Ignoring Beerus' Ignorance. Effortlessly destroyed a barrier that would need to rival Beerus' level to destroy . ) >= EoS Protagonist = Beerus = Tokitoki FP Demigra

 

[JustSomeWeirdo]

They wished for Shenron to tell people throughout timespace to give energy for the spirit bomb

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

No. I am unsure where you got that from . They wished to be able to open the time space hole . They could only do so if they rivaled Beerus. Just before the Spirit Bomb gave them energy, he said " Your wish is granted " . That implies they had the power as an Ultra Fusion, and that the amp was overkill.

 

[JustSomeWeirdo]

No, they wished for Shenron to tell people to give energy for a spirit bomb, Shenron then says their wish is granted and a spirit bomb is made within seconds

Their original wish was to open the hole, Shenron said it was beyond his power, after the Ultra Fusion they then wished for the spirit bomb

 

[Super_Saiyan_God_Julian]

FP Toki Toki Demigra is unquantifiable though. He is at least at Beerus' level since he said he would happily crush him. Base Demigra knew Beerus' power enough not to fight him then so he should know how strong he is.


With that being said Ultra Pinich is definitely close to the level if not even on the level of Beerus. We can't know for certain if Beerus was being ignorant of their power but they are pretty close regardless.

 

[JustSomeWeirdo]

Beerus casually flicked away an attack from Ultra Pinich

 

[The_Everlasting]

Beerus > Ultra Pinich > SSJB Goku.

Golden Great Ape Ultra Pinich > Beerus.

 

[Super_Saiyan_God_Julian]

I meant Ultra Pinich overall but yeah GGA Ultra Pinich is likely above Beerus but below Whis like Demigra.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

@JSW Ultra Pinich definitely wasn't at full power when he blasted the Death Ball . Did you notice he only charged it with his finger ? Anyways, Base Ultra Pinich definitely would at least scale to Beerus due to the Time Barrier feat .

Ultra Pinich i believe is definitely comparable to FP Toki-Toki Demigra, even without Great Ape . Great Ape likely is around as powerful as the Future Warrior from Xenoverse 2 (Post-Whis training)

 

[Super_Saiyan_God_Julian]

Well we should probably hold our horses on the 2-B thing considering that the revision has yet to go through.

Here is the revision thread in question if you wish to participate. We are still waiting for someone to perform the necessary edits:

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/961876#184

For now anyone who scales to XV Goku and XV Beerus would only be Multi-Universe level.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

You do remember the only reason it isn't 2-B is because no one proffessional has made it. It's still going though .

 

[Super_Saiyan_God_Julian]

Thats my point. Thats why unless the edits are made then Demigra and the Xenoverse characters which the Fusions characters scale from are 2-C.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

Weren't you the one who did the last revisions though ?

 

[Super_Saiyan_God_Julian]

Yes. However that was only a change of statistics. This is to add an entirely new key and a change in statistics which I can't do on phone. Besides Ant especifically asked for a Staff Member to perform said edits so it's best to wait for the moment.

 

[JustSomeWeirdo]

Well, I understand where Julian is coming from, I also prefer not to rate a character a certain tier before a revision goes through

 

[Super_Saiyan_God_Julian]

Regardless the Fusions Characters would still be "Multi-Universe level" via scaling to the Xenoverse characters unless the revision goes through.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

He said either a Mod or an Experienced Editor.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

BTW, i noticed something :

The difference between XV & Fusion is... The Post-Game stuff for the FW in XV1 and XV2 is canon . This is important, because FP Toki-Toki Demigra didn't believe he had a ghost of a chance against even a casual Whis . XV2 Future Warrior's Base harmed Whis. Then we remember that XV1's Post-Story is canon to XV2 ( Seeing as how GT is a canon part of Zamasu's story in XV ) . XV2 SSB Vegeta said " I never felt a ki on a level like this ! " , even though he felt Demigra's in DBH and Ultra Pinich's in Fusions , and XV2 SSB Goku... To say the least, is A LOT stronger than he was in XV by the Post-Story .

We also see XV1 FW, XV2 FW , XV2 SSB Goku and Vegeta have trouble keeping up with Merged Zamasu . Keep in mind both Future Warriors around this time are between Beerus' and Whis' levels , and far stronger than FP Toki-Toki Demigra . Chronoa even said they had no chance unless Vegito Blue came into the picture.

So... The scaling goes like this for Post-Story Xenoverse:

XV2 Zeno ( honestly i am unsure how powerful he would be ... ) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> XV Immortal Zamasu >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>SSB Vegito >>=Fused Zamasu ( Even in Base, held his own against both XV1 & XV2 FW simultaneously . ) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> XV1 & XV2 Protagonist >>>>>>> Ultra Pinich >= Beerus <= FP Toki-Toki <= EoS Dragon Ball Fusion Protagonist / Ultra Fusion >>>>> SSB XV2 Goku >>>>>>>>>>>>> XV Goku >>>>>>>>>>>>> Full Powered DBH Goku >>>>>>>> DBH FP Demigra & Chamel.

 

[JustSomeWeirdo]

Well, I think that the vs Goku and Vegeta postgame event is canon, considering that Goku and Vegeta tell Pinich and Tekka to go to the Hyperbolic Time Chamber and train with them

But it would put them at the level of XV DBS Base Vegito (EX Fusion = Potara Fusion in power) + Unquantifiable amount of training in the HTC, although I'm pretty certain Beerus is higher (Although, IIRC, Goku and Vegeta were able to take on Beerus somewhat in SSB)

and considering Great Ape Ultra Pinich > Beerus, that would mean SSB XV Goku and Vegeta (PostGame Fusions) > Beerus, and therefore EX Gogeta >> Beerus (...and we don't even see Gogeta turn Super Saiyan.....),

 

[Super_Saiyan_God_Julian]

The Future Warriors after DBXV2 are likely on SSB Vegito's level since the XV2 protagonist had to fight Fused Zamasu on his lonesone after XV1 protagonist had left. Its pretty likely that FZ had been severely weakened by the time Vegito came around.


Since we consider End-Game Xenoverse stuff as canon then perhaphs we could consider Fusions end game as canon as long as anything from the game isnt contradicted (XV1 protagonist being Broly level for example).

 

[The_Everlasting]

@JSW

I thought EX Fusion was weaker than Potara Fusion/Fusion Dance, and the main advantage was that it let anyone fuse?

Also if you think that's ridiculous, wait until you see scaling in Heroes.

Base Goku > Demon God Demigra Final.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

@Ever That's normal fusion. EX Fusion is comparable to Potara Fusion in Dragon Ball Fusion . Ultra Fusion is... Ridiculously superior to EX Fusion and Potara Fusion. Just ask Ultra Pinich .

Yeah the scaling isn't that hard Ever. Xeno Goku is stronger than Demigra WITHOUT Toki-Toki. With Toki-Toki is a completely different story...

@JSW is correct about that scaling though... No matter how weird that gets. Considering it takes place pre-XV2 , XV2 protagonist should scale to a degree .

I am going to try to make a tier list in the future ... RIP me. I definitely know the God Tiers are the XV Future Warriors , Fully Powered Toki-Toki Demigra , Ultra Pinich , Whis , Immortal Zamasu, and one other.

@Julian... Chronoa straight up stated they stood no chance unless Vegito fused . While i am certain FW2 and FW are around SSB Vegito's level... It would be more likely that Fused Zamasu would have defeated Vegito if the Future Warriors weren't there to wear him out. Talk about weird.