Potential possible perhaps Photoshop Flowey upgrade?

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

So, I noticed that Photoshop Flowey was Lv. 9999 and Chara is Lv. 20, like his page says.

9999 / 20 = 499.95 times stronger than Chara.

Or, in other words, around 500x Multiversal.


I don't know if this would be an upgrade in Photoshop Flowey's tier(or an upgrade at all), but it's something I felt I should point out.

 

[Promestein]

Stats aren't linear

 

[Magi_Hussie]

Only Photoshop Flowey, the Anomaly, and maybe the 6 Human SOULs actually can be scaled to Chara while everyone else doesn't.

 

[Anonimoe7875]

1. Stats aren't linear

2. Multiversal times 500 still is Multiversal

@Magi

The Anomaly can't be scaled to Chara

The Humans SOULs clearly scale since they are Flowey power source

 

[Magi_Hussie]

1. Stats aren't linear
2. Multiversal times 500 still is Multiversal

@Magi

The Anomaly can't be scaled to Chara

The Humans SOULs clearly scale since they are Flowey power source

1. Who do you think is the one gave Chara their Determination (which is used to control the save file of whoever currently posseses the highest Determination) at the end of the Genocide Route?

2. Who do you think gave Chara the power of the True Reset in the first place?

3. Who do you think gave up their stolen soul to allow Chara to be more powerful?

 

[Anonimoe7875]

Determination is not the only power source Chara has

Chara never did a True Reset, they just restored the world

It's never said that the soul make Chara more powerful

 

[Magi_Hussie]

Determination is not the only power source Chara has
Chara never did a True Reset, they just restored the world

It's never said that the soul make Chara more powerful

1. And what would the other power sources be?

2. That was after the Anomaly allowed Chara to use the True Reset & Flowey stated that the True Reset can "RESET" and "ERASE" everything.

3. You're taking control of the soul of the strongest being at the end of the Genocide Route who has the highest Determination in the game, so you would most likely get more powerful.

 

[Anonimoe7875]

LV, Real Knife, They are stats thing, Human Soul (Determination is not the only thing that make them powerful)...

Link to that?

It's never said that the soul make Chara more powerful

 

[Magi_Hussie]

LV, Real Knife, They are stats thing, Human Soul (Determination is not the only thing that make them powerful)...
Link to that?

It's never said that the soul make Chara more powerful

1. That would mostly involve Ambition for the stats.

2. And which link you're looking for?

 

[Anonimoe7875]

Chara using the True Reset (Even the Humans SOULs can restore the world and they can't do a true reset)

And Flowey saying what you said

 

[Magi_Hussie]

Chara using the True Reset (Even the Humans SOULs can restore the world and they can't do a true reset)
And Flowey saying what you said

1. It takes the power of all 6 Human SOULs to be capable of performing a True Reset since Photoshop Flowey literally erased Frisk's Save File by doing so.

2. https://youtu.be/VbmEOIxX3eo

 

[Anonimoe7875]

Both Flowey and Chara definitely didn't do a True Reset

The only character we've seen doing one is either Frisk or the Player

 

[Magi_Hussie]

Both Flowey and Chara definitely didn't do a True Reset
The only character we've seen doing one is either Frisk or the Player

1. True Reset: http://undertale.wikia.com/wiki/SAVE#True_Reset

"It thoroughly erases all of the information stored in the SAVE file,...": https://youtu.be/lKHXPxIy46E?t=13


2. Yes, Chara did performed the True Reset (Erase everything) & that's 1 of the 2 main ways of how it works: https://youtu.be/Q8W5sEOjGD8?t=200

 

[Anonimoe7875]

Flowey didn't used the True Reset...

In the video Chara was using a knife to destroy the game

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

So does it work or not?

If so, to what extent?

 

[Magi_Hussie]

Flowey didn't used the True Reset...
In the video Chara was using a knife to destroy the game

1. Photoshop Flowey is physically erasing a save file, enough said.

Chara's attack literally erased everything and Flowey already stated that Chara was capable of doing so.

 

[Anonimoe7875]

Then how does that equate to they using True Reset?

 

[Magi_Hussie]

Then how does that equate to they using True Reset?

Characters like Photoshop Flowey & Chara using the True Reset will mainly erase and reset everything in the save file. Characters such as Asriel & the Anomaly however, would only reset everything in the save file rather than just erase it. In a way, they work like polar opposites.

 

[Anonimoe7875]

Again Chara and Flowey never used the True Reset

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

So can what I posted about be used? If so, to what extent?

 

[Magi_Hussie]

Again Chara and Flowey never used the True Reset

Yes they did, resetting everything & erasing everything would involve using the True Reset.

 

[Anonimoe7875]

@Magi

In the video you posted we clearly see Chara destroying the world with a Knife

And this is not the True Reset youself said that

You don't need the True Reset to erase the world

@Super

Already being used

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Alright

 

[Magi_Hussie]

@Anonimoe

1. Flowey is basically erasing a save file & that's kind of a no brainer of why that would be considered as a True Reset.

2. Either way, Chara can still perform feats that works like the True Reset.

 

[Anonimoe7875]

Again you don't need the True Reset to erase a save file

 

[Magi_Hussie]

Again you don't need the True Reset to erase a save file

For Photoshop Flowey's case, he needs to use it in order to destroy Frisk's save file while for Chara, they didn't need to since they destroyed the multiverse/game's reality with the ERASE option.

 

[Anonimoe7875]

Any proof for that?

A simply quote from a wiki is not a good one...

There is not such a thing as "ERASE" option

Again they clearly didn't used that

 

[Magi_Hussie]

Any proof for that?

A simply quote from a wiki is not a good one...

There is not such a thing as "ERASE" option

Again they clearly didn't used that

1. I already shown you the links a while ago.

2. Yes, there is clearly a ERASE option that Chara wants you to choose.

3. Then it wouldn't say "file erased," so that disproves your point.

 

[Anonimoe7875]

...That like saying if a character destroy a rock then he automatically destroyed it atoms

It's one of the player choices not a option to erase everything and Chara clearly swinged a knife rather than press a option

 

[Magi_Hussie]

...That like saying if a character destroy a rock then he automatically destroyed it atoms

It's one of the player choices not a option to erase everything and Chara clearly swinged a knife rather than press a option

1. Still doesn't disprove Photoshop Flowey having the capability of using the True Reset.

2. Its one of the Anomaly's (the Player's) choices to choose an option, so idk why you're assumed that they won't select an option if they have choices. Chara did that after you select an option. Its either Chara destroys the game's reality or you will be killed by Chara.

 

[Anonimoe7875]

You didn't give any reasons why Flowey should have the True reset

You simple posted a random quote from the undertale wiki and simply assumed he used the true reset

Again Chara clearly used they knife to destroy the game, everytime the world is destroyed you see a knife slash

The Erase option is the player choice to erase or don't erase the world, it isn't a button where you click and the multiverse get destroyed

And Chara never killed the player, because we are still alive at the void and they want our soul.

 

[Antvasima]

Perhaps Azathoth should be informed about this thread.

 

[Magi_Hussie]

You didn't give any reasons why Flowey should have the True reset
You simple posted a random quote from the undertale wiki and simply assumed he used the true reset

Again Chara clearly used they knife to destroy the game, everytime the world is destroyed you see a knife slash

The Erase option is the player choice to erase or don't erase the world, it isn't a button where you click and the multiverse get destroyed

And Chara never killed the player, because we are still alive at the void and they want our soul.

1. The reasons why Photoshop Flowey would have the True Reset is due to the fact that:

a) You can clearly see that Flowey stated that he completely destroyed Frisk's save file by erasing everything in it.

b) The quote tells you how the True Reset quotes work and if we continue the "undertale wiki is not accurate, if you reference quotes from the wiki, then its not proper evidence" game, then that would get you nowhere.

2. That's after the Anomaly selected the "Erase" option.

3. The "Erase" option erases the entire game's reality, and would mean eraing everything in it.

4. If you select the "Do Not" option, then Chara will kill the Anomaly on the spot since it is technically a "kill or be killed" world in Undertale as described by Flowey and what you're describing is if the Anomaly selects the "Erase" option & what those 2 do after the game's reality was erased afterwards.

 

[Anonimoe7875]

Again that like saying if a character destroy a rock then he automaticaly destroyed it atoms

The anomaly didn't erased the world

That never happened and again we see Chara using they knife to slash the game

 

[Magi_Hussie]

Again that like saying if a character destroy a rock then he automaticaly destroyed it atoms

The anomaly didn't erased the world

That never happened and again we see Chara using they knife to slash the game

1. That's not a good example.

2. I never said the Anomaly did.

3. That clearly already happened & selecting the "erase" option would allow Chara to erase the game's reality and basically everything in it.

 

[Anonimoe7875]

Just because the True Reset can erase a file completely it doesn't mean Flowey used that, the same way we don't always assume a character destroyed a rock on a atomic level without something directly saying that.

That's after the Anomaly selected the "Erase" option. The "Erase" option erases the entire game's reality, and would mean eraing everything in it.

Chara never selected the "erase" option, they simply destroyed the game after the player choice.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Wasn't Chara confirmed to be a girl, or do we not know her gender either?

 

[Anonimoe7875]

We don't know they gender

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Oh, okay.

 

[Magi_Hussie]

Just because the True Reset can erase a file completely it doesn't mean Flowey used that, the same way we don't always assume a character destroyed a rock on a atomic level without something directly saying that.

1. You're gonna have to make a better example and it doesn't need to say "True Reset" if Photoshop Flowey is doing exactly the way what the True Reset always does in the game.

2. The Anomaly selected it the option, not Chara if you was carefully reading.