Post Time Skip Base Asta vs Post Time Skip Gear Fourth Luffy

[Kidkinsey]

looking like a stomp sheesh what was the last good luffy battle on here

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

looking like a stomp sheesh what was the last good luffy battle on here

Luffy vs mob.

 

[RazumaHiroki]

looking like a stomp sheesh what was the last good luffy battle on here

Luffy vs Mob.

(it's only stomp-ish in this fight because he/she chose the key where Luffy gets access to his infamous durability negation Haki)

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

Yeah if this was dressrosa or wci, asta would most likely win. Since luffy's observation and armament haki is much weaker than now and he himself is also much weaker.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Yeah if this was dressrosa or wci, asta would most likely win.

Cap

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

Because he has stronger or equally as strong haki... Luffy with his Rubber can tank High 6-C to 6-B attacks while being Low 7-B

Plot armor of the Marineford Arc

Also, we are using Luffy at 100% against Base Asta, Luffy can even amp his speed because Gear second and Fourth do that but Asta can´t use any of his forms, stomp

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

Gear 3rd is just 1 attack... He'll start with that attack, that's it... luffy can also combine 2nd gear and 3rd gear. Not sure if it works but if he goes down to base and then goes gear 2nd it most likely is a blitz, maybe

Btw, I thought this battle was Luffy using only gear third attacks, so I apologize, your reasons were valid enough

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Plot armor of the Marineford Arc

Of course... Plot armor...

Also Daz bonez is resistance to cutting attacks and can tank Mihawks slashes

Durability:
Small City level (Comparable to his Attacking Power), far higher against cutting and piercing attacks (weapons utilized by marine officers could not even scratch him, and he was even capable of stopping an attack from Dracule Mihawk despite later being cut down [though this may be attributed to Mihawk utilizing Haki to bypass his Devil Fruit functions]).

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

• Both are in character
• Speed is Equalized

*Battle takes place on Turtle Island (Naruto)
Asta:
Luffy:

Make luffy start with gear 4th so he doesn't blitz...

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

Of course... Plot armor...

Also Daz bonez is resistance to cutting attacks and can tank Mihawks slashes

Surviving a blunt low 7-B attack when Luffy is 7-C (and the page says that he survived as gear second) sounds normal

Being low 7-B and surviving a Kick from Kizaru? Plot armor or Kizaru was not fighting at all seriusly, same with Mihawk and Daz Bones, Mihawk using Haki cutted him easily

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

Make luffy start with gear 4th so he doesn't blitz...

No he doesn't blitz in the first place.

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

No he doesn't blitz in the first place.

He blitz because speed is equalized but Luffy starts at gear third who is slower that his normal attacks, that are slower than his gear second, and this is slower than gear fourth, so Asta is equalized with gear third speed attacks

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Being low 7-B and surviving a Kick from Kizaru? Plot armor or Kizaru was not fighting at all seriusly

Got hit multiple times by kizaru and then Sengoku.... Luffy lowkey should be immune or near immune to blunt force

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

Got hit multiple times by kizaru and the Sengoku....

Plot armor and I don´t like to use it, but is the truth

I don´t see Luffy having high 6-C resistance to blunt force in his pre time skip profile so don´t bring this

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

I don´t see Luffy having high 6-C resistance to blunt force in his pre time skip profile so don´t bring this

So luffy doesn't have blunt force resistance is what you're telling me....

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

So luffy doesn't have blunt force resistance is what you are telling me....

Luffy does not have a high 6-C blunt force resistance in his durability section

 

[Lugh_Tuathe_Dé]

Voting Luffy for Razuma's reasons

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Luffy lowkey should be immune or near immune to blunt force

Actually already has that on his profile

It also makes them almost entirely immune to blunt attacks, including hand-to-hand combat, bullets or even cannonballs, an ability which can be further reinforced with the application of Busoshoku Haki.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Luffy does not have a high 6-C blunt force resistance in his durability section

Already has Resistance to Blunt Force Trauma

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

He blitz because speed is equalized but Luffy starts at gear third who is slower that his normal attacks, that are slower than his gear second, and this is slower than gear fourth, so Asta is equalized with gear third speed attacks

That's not enough to blitz, also g3 is not slower than normal, though it is slower than g2 which is slower than bound man which is slower than snake man who can stat amp, but it's not enough to blitz.

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

Already has Resistance to Blunt Force Trauma

If you can´t understand what I am saying I won´t bother to keep talking nor answering

Luffy surviving attacks of people who are in the teratons of tnt when he has been damaged before with attacks of kilotons of tnt is PLOT ARMOR

 

[Epsilon_R]

Speed is equal so Luffy can't blitz since he's normally slower than Asta. He can still use amps though

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Luffy surviving attacks of people who are in the teratons of tnt when he has been damaged before with attacks of kilotons of tnt is PLOT ARMOR

Damaged before? By who? Also devil fruit evolves and gets stronger and stronger.

 

[RazumaHiroki]

What's going on? and what's is this madness about Luffy's durability being thrown around.......

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

ill start counting the votes a bit later on.

 

[Eminiteable]

Luffy surviving attacks of people who are in the teratons of tnt when he has been damaged before with attacks of kilotons of tnt is PLOT ARMOR

Devil fruits get stronger as the user trains them, Luffy's blunt force resistance allowed him to withstand a punch from Big Mom.

 

[KingTempest]

That's not enough to blitz, also g3 is not slower than normal, though it is slower than g2 which is slower than bound man which is slower than snake man who can stat amp, but it's not enough to blitz.

It's most definitely enough to blitz

Gear 3rd is most definitely slower than normal.

Luffy does not have a high 6-C blunt force resistance in his durability section

It's not added in his durability section, but it's true.

We've never added Luffy's blunt force resistance to attacks he's resistant to, that's like adding the AP required for a heat based attack to harm someone, it's redundant unless it'd be a stomp match.

Rayleigh and Garp, 2 High 6-C chars, need blunt force negation to hurt Luffy. It's that simple.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

2 High 6-C chars

Low 6-B soon

 

[RazumaHiroki]

It's most definitely enough to blitz

Gear 3rd is most definitely slower than normal.



It's not added in his durability section, but it's true.

We've never added Luffy's blunt force resistance to attacks he's resistant to, that's like adding the AP required for a heat based attack to harm someone, it's redundant unless it'd be a stomp match.

Rayleigh and Garp, 2 High 6-C chars, need blunt force negation to hurt Luffy. It's that simple.

That's a very interesting fact.

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

It's most definitely enough to blitz

Gear 3rd is most definitely slower than normal

My bad on the g3. But I though they were unquantifiable gaps, or are we actually using the gaps as how they appear in the show, so g2 can blitz someone who was faster than luffy's base?

 

[KingTempest]

My bad on the g3. But I though they were unquantifiable gaps, or are we actually using the gaps as how they appear in the show, so g2 can blitz someone who was faster than luffy's base?

Usually with Vs threads we work on the opponent's reactions and the speed amp.

For example, has Asta reacted to something/someone that blitzed someone relative in speed to him?


Luffy's G2nd blitzed the Boa Sisters who have perception amps and aimdodging, and them (while not using it) were relative to Luffy's base.

Luffy's Bounceman blitzed someone faster than his G2nd (Doflamingo).

Luffy's Snakeman blitzed someone who can kinda react to his Bounceman movement.

So unless Asta has crazy reactions like that, idk.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

so g2 can blitz someone who was faster than luffy's base?

Luffy blitzed someone that can blitz base luffy and has obs haki...

 

[KobsterHope07]

Usually with Vs threads we work on the opponent's reactions and the speed amp.

For example, has Asta reacted to something/someone that blitzed someone relative in speed to him?


Luffy's G2nd blitzed the Boa Sisters who have perception amps and aimdodging, and them (while not using it) were relative to Luffy's base.

Luffy's Bounceman blitzed someone faster than his G2nd (Doflamingo).

Luffy's Snakeman blitzed someone who can kinda react to his Bounceman movement.

So unless Asta has crazy reactions like that, idk.

Don't forget about Blueno, who was relative to Base Luffy but was absolutely blitzed by G2 Luffy

 

[KingTempest]

Don't forget about Blueno, who was relative to Base Luffy but was absolutely blitzed by G2 Luffy

That blitz was nasty, couldn't even perceive G2nd Luffy

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

Usually with Vs threads we work on the opponent's reactions and the speed amp.

For example, has Asta reacted to something/someone that blitzed someone relative in speed to him?


Luffy's G2nd blitzed the Boa Sisters who have perception amps and aimdodging, and them (while not using it) were relative to Luffy's base.

Luffy's Bounceman blitzed someone faster than his G2nd (Doflamingo).

Luffy's Snakeman blitzed someone who can kinda react to his Bounceman movement.

So unless Asta has crazy reactions like that, idk.

I don't understand, would that just make the one piece characters reactions faster than their normal speed? If speed is equalized then both asta and luffy have the same perception speed. So would these speed amps actually let luffy blitz asta? I though they'd only let him blitz if they were quantifiable say if g2 was a 5x multiplier for example then he'd get very close to blitzing asta but it's unquantifiable. This is important because if asta loses due to blitz then the match is screwed since he's faster.

 

[KingTempest]

I don't understand, would that just make the one piece characters reactions faster than their normal speed? If speed is equalized then both asta and luffy have the same perception speed. So would these speed amps actually let luffy blitz asta? I though they'd only let him blitz if they were quantifiable say if g2 was a 5x multiplier for example then he'd get very close to blitzing asta but it's unquantifiable. This is important because if asta loses due to blitz then the match is screwed since he's faster.

Well, that's a good point

Equalized speed threads r annoying we don't have concrete rules for them

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

I don't understand, would that just make the one piece characters reactions faster than their normal speed? If speed is equalized then both asta and luffy have the same perception speed. So would these speed amps actually let luffy blitz asta? I though they'd only let him blitz if they were quantifiable say if g2 was a 5x multiplier for example then he'd get very close to blitzing asta but it's unquantifiable. This is important because if asta loses due to blitz then the match is screwed since he's faster.

That's why luffy should start with gear 4th so he doesn't blitz

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

Well, that's a good point

Equalized speed threads r annoying we don't have concrete rules for them

I also have the same question in terms of AP. Can a character who can one shot another character but the gap is unquantifiable, one shot another character in a vs thread without a 7.5x value advantage? I probably have to do a question and answer on the q/a thread about this.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

I also have the same question in terms of AP. Can a character who can one shot another character but the gap is unquantifiable, one shot another character in a vs thread without a 7.5x value advantage? I probably have to do a question and answer on the q/a thread about this.

... If it one shots people in the same tier inverse then yes probably

 

[Epsilon_R]

I also have the same question in terms of AP. Can a character who can one shot another character but the gap is unquantifiable, one shot another character in a vs thread without a 7.5x value advantage? I probably have to do a question and answer on the q/a thread about this.

Like character A one shooting someone in his verse who's stronger than character B? If so, yes