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Possible weakness for Yhwach's Almighty
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So Ywhach doesnt even need the power explained? He can just see it and once he understands it, it becomes Negated?
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I mean he can see into the future and understand and even experience it on his own on what his opponent going to do to him.
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It's not a passive effect where he just negates everything to no end but he can negate it, depending on How Detrimental the power would be to him.ProfessorKukui4Life said:
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The only way Aizen negate this is by mess up all his senses before Yhwach use his almighty and thus making all the future that he see is only base on his faulty senses.
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im pretty confused with the almighty thing.. cant it just be that ichibe's attack just didn't stop the Almighty ? so even if he did get turned into an ant he could still use the Almighty and just go to a Alternative Future where he wasn't hit with Ichibe's Attack, as it is completely plausible as Ichibe and Yhwach's power difference couldn't be that big that ichibei could oneshot Yhwach? . im referring to the Yhwach before he became an ant.
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It very clearly that he still able use the Almighty when ichibei change his name into ant.
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Yes but, like I conveyed before, Ichibei lowering Yhwach's power down to the strength of an ant doesnt neccesarily make the gap between them "immense". Yes Ichibe at that time had much more power and could have one shot, but Yhwach was still superior to him via hax, which is what still gave him the possibility of still winning (also maybe speed too). And as long as possibility of Yhwach winning exists, then there will be futures of that possibility for him existing too for him to choose from with the Almighty. Basically its like this:
Yhwach fights an opponent and it can go 2 ways. Yhwach can either have better stats but worser hax or he can have better hax but worser stats. Both scenerio's still make his Almighty effective as its still possible for Yhwach to win. Thats basically what happened here. Yhwach still had possible options to use against Ichibe, his hax, and because of that, there were futures Yhwach could choose from to help him. If Yhwach was completely outclassed, as in nothing he could do would work, or if Ichibe could match his abilities after decreasing his power, then there wouldnt be any possibility of Yhwach winning left, subsiquently making all futures of Yhwach being able to win destroyed. Non-existent.
Basically, what im trying to imply here is that the effectiveness of the Almighty depends on the difference or gap between the opponent and the user. And Ichibe giving Yhwach the strength of an ant did not widen the gap enough to render the Almighty useless and as such, Yhwach could still use it to beat him.
Yhwach fights an opponent and it can go 2 ways. Yhwach can either have better stats but worser hax or he can have better hax but worser stats. Both scenerio's still make his Almighty effective as its still possible for Yhwach to win. Thats basically what happened here. Yhwach still had possible options to use against Ichibe, his hax, and because of that, there were futures Yhwach could choose from to help him. If Yhwach was completely outclassed, as in nothing he could do would work, or if Ichibe could match his abilities after decreasing his power, then there wouldnt be any possibility of Yhwach winning left, subsiquently making all futures of Yhwach being able to win destroyed. Non-existent.
Basically, what im trying to imply here is that the effectiveness of the Almighty depends on the difference or gap between the opponent and the user. And Ichibe giving Yhwach the strength of an ant did not widen the gap enough to render the Almighty useless and as such, Yhwach could still use it to beat him.
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ignore that as I misunderstanding your post
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This isnt like DB. Losing power wont make you any slower or less durable in Bleach, at least thats what im aware of.
Also this may be redundant to ask but....when Ichibe said "power of an ant" did he mean it literally? Or is it just an expression to say Yhwach's strength was made much much weaker than it normally is thanks to Ichibe's ability?
Also this may be redundant to ask but....when Ichibe said "power of an ant" did he mean it literally? Or is it just an expression to say Yhwach's strength was made much much weaker than it normally is thanks to Ichibe's ability?
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Can someone explain to me, how can an ant beat Ichibei? (Give the ant the Almighty)
http://www.mangahit.com/bleach/609/7
http://www.mangahit.com/bleach/609/7
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A literal ant crawling on the ground.
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Kk thank you. Its been a while since I read their fight so I was misunderstood.
However, my point should still hold some water. Even if we assume that Yhwach was outclassed in every stat due to gaining an Ant's capabilities, he still had his hax to keep him in the game. And with the evidence that LordAizenSama kindly posted above, Yhwach saw his power in the future and gained the capability of negating it. And by gaining the capability of negating it, a future where Ichibe's power is negated was made possible, and Yhwach used that future to negate the whole power, no longer making him an ant.
However, my point should still hold some water. Even if we assume that Yhwach was outclassed in every stat due to gaining an Ant's capabilities, he still had his hax to keep him in the game. And with the evidence that LordAizenSama kindly posted above, Yhwach saw his power in the future and gained the capability of negating it. And by gaining the capability of negating it, a future where Ichibe's power is negated was made possible, and Yhwach used that future to negate the whole power, no longer making him an ant.
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AppleLord said:
I actually don't understand how this gonna work if he only can do stuff only on possible future.
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Apparently some above mentioned that he can create futures with his Almighty, which is something I don't understand either. Unless im mistaken, the Almighty doesnt create futures at all. It simply allows the user to see those futures and transform them, making those futures a reality. When is it ever stated the Almighty can literally "create futures"? And if he could create futures out of nowhere, then wouldnt he be, like, immensily higher than 5-B?
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Thank you. He can only see and transform them with the Almighty, making those futures a reality. He doesnt create them out of nowhere. So I dont know where this "created a new future" thing is coming from.
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The problem is he say something about change the future or fate and not transform the possible future to become real.
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Im pretty sure when he says "changing" it he means to transform it, making it real. Regardless it still doenst mean he can just think of any future and it comes true.
Besides, even if we do take "changing" as in he is influencing it in his favor, It still wouldnt make those futures work for him if he were ever fighting someone who would make Yhwach's power insufficient.
If Yhwach still cannot do anything to someone who surpasses him, what good is trying to change the future? No matter what way he'd try and change it, the result of him failing and being beaten would be the same in every future.
Besides, even if we do take "changing" as in he is influencing it in his favor, It still wouldnt make those futures work for him if he were ever fighting someone who would make Yhwach's power insufficient.
If Yhwach still cannot do anything to someone who surpasses him, what good is trying to change the future? No matter what way he'd try and change it, the result of him failing and being beaten would be the same in every future.
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Since when changing = transform the already existing future became real?
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Yhwach also says he see's them like individual grains of Sand and the person before him or whatever is jumping from grain to grain thus yes, when he says changing or whatever he could literally mean just picking which future they land on.
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I wanna to know what the other people opinion about this.
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Nah, I don't think so.Antvasima said:
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So how does we determine his limits? simply by if his opponent has superior hax?
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I'm fine with the weakness being added or not (since it pretty much just is logic) but for the love of all when has been being turned into an eternal punching bag ever a good reasoning for a stalemate? And once again although its not a time loop, people who die again and again and again tend to go a littpe indane.
Theres also the issue that EVEN if you add this as a weakness that doesnt mean all his victories or powers goes moot. Its dimply helping us understand what can be an advantage for the enemy.
Theres also the issue that EVEN if you add this as a weakness that doesnt mean all his victories or powers goes moot. Its dimply helping us understand what can be an advantage for the enemy.
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Ehh?
Ask the op on how the match was concluded. and if he can rewrite the future where he died what stop him to rewrite his stress in the future from become an eternal punches bag?Not Jim Sterling said:
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I honestly still believe this weakness could be applied as it makes sense. The effectiveness of the Almighty should depend on whoever Yhwach is facing and what advantages/disadvantages are at play.
But if AizenSama really thinks it doesnt need to be added then I suppose his reasoning for it is concrete.
Im sorry if I possibly dragged this on too long and made it a bother to anyone. I just thought this suggestion would finally make Yhwach's power not get hit with the NLF stick and could be more concrete during vsmatches. All I wanted to do was to help try and sort out the issues regarding Yhwach and if became too much of a bother then im truly sorry.
But if AizenSama really thinks it doesnt need to be added then I suppose his reasoning for it is concrete.
Im sorry if I possibly dragged this on too long and made it a bother to anyone. I just thought this suggestion would finally make Yhwach's power not get hit with the NLF stick and could be more concrete during vsmatches. All I wanted to do was to help try and sort out the issues regarding Yhwach and if became too much of a bother then im truly sorry.
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What? That doesn't change my statement. If a person physically stomps Yhwach but can't take him down it's either their win or stalemate. We just point out on the profile that THAT can happen.Not Jim Sterling said:
And when has he ever done that? Either way regardless of whether you have an argument for that I'd still side with the guy being knocked around... You might as well be a regenerator or immortal that can only be struck around by someone by a higher tier.
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which I agree and I don't even say anything against that nor is even bother to questioning your statement.CoreOfimBalance(COB) said:
And when has he ever done that?
Wot? if he can rewrite his death then how he cant he do that to simple thing as stress do you seriously suggest rewrite stress is much harder than rewrite death?
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Ohhh. Misunderstood on my part. Your wording confused me. Then again I was half-awake earlier.
Me and a fellow already debated on whether or not that was augmented by Gerard and Gremmy's tendency to revive themseles from being injured or 'dying'. Take that as you will...
Me and a fellow already debated on whether or not that was augmented by Gerard and Gremmy's tendency to revive themseles from being injured or 'dying'. Take that as you will...
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He only use the Almighty and Gremmy power can be even worse NLF than he is especially yhwach is not dumbass like Gremmy.
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Which is exactly for all we know his boasts about undoing his death could be from the fact that his body was still intact (Goop but intact) but in all seriousness he used Gerard and Gremmy's ability. After all he got even bigger, and someone made a point that it might be because he's enveloping the world but that doesn't exactly contradict Gerard's power that he stole.
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In the end they beat him by shutdown his almighty power...you just try hard mode to downgrade him..and if he even bother to use the other quincy power then he just need to use the balance so all the damage he received will be distributed to ichigo and aizen..he doesn't even need to rewrite his death..
In the end they beat him by shutdown his almighty power...you just try hard mode to downgrade him..and if he even bother to use the other quincy power then he just need to use the balance so all the damage he received will be distributed to ichigo and aizen..he doesn't even need to rewrite his death..
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