Possible Upgrade for Luffy?

[Melmoumni]

I don't know if this has been done before but i found this calc and i see it as a possible upgrade for moneky D. Luffy and the One Piece verse:

All Credits go to Wade Strine this is not mine!!!

Adding to the Full Power of Luffy's King Kong Gu

Feat

http://www.**********.com/one-piece/790/14

Doffy's Impact was already calced here.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Rib78/One_Piece_-_King_Kong_Gu

It came out to Large Mountain + but had a note saying it was likely more because it had to punch through Doffy's strings first. I am going to try and find a reasonable number for how much energy would be needed to break Doffy's strings.

Some one on VSBW already did it, but they Calc Stacked like CRAZY and used wonky scaling. So, there numbers are overblown as hell.

You can read that here.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Lightbuster30/Luffy_smashes_Billow_White_and_God_Thread

Scaling

We will scale the strings broken from this image.

http://i2.**********.com/one-piece/790/one-piece-5747978.jpg

(Yes, that HORRIBLE ********** translation DOES say GodSled instead of Thread. WHY would it be Sled? Come ON MP, that was just awful.)

First, we are going to scale Doffy's Coat, and Head.

Doffy's Height is 3.05 m.

http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Donquixote_Doflamingo

Using this image.

http://i.imgur.com/tTag8fY.gif

Height is 427.28 px

Head is 37.58 px, or 0.268252668 meters

Coat is 403.09 px, or 2.877327514 meters

Now, we will scale the strings.

http://i.imgur.com/d8uVb9O.gif

Using the left panel, we will scale from the head, since he is clearly facing up, and using the right panel we will scale from the coat.

So, from Left Panel

String Width is 0.268252668 thick next to Doffy's head, YES, that is exactly the same size as his head.

Using the the Right Panel

String Width is 0.2954135025 meters.

That means that strings, Doffy, and his Coat, are drawn consistently down to the .01 place. Also, that might have even been my fault because the strings have moved slightly. #OdaConsistency

Height of the strings from the Right Panel is 10.92734546 meters.

I will use the slightly lower of the thickness' found.

They are clearly Cone shaped so...

V=¤Çr2h/3

Volume of one string is 0.20586 m^3

There are 16 Threads from my count.

So, Total Volume Destroyed was 3.29376 m^3

Energy

Doffy's strings must have a Tensile Strength around that of Diamond, because he was able to keep back Jozu.

This DOES NOT mean that his Strings are as hard as Diamond, just that their Tensile Strength is the about the same, and DIAMOND DOES NOT HAVE A PARTICULARLY HIGH TENSILE STRENGTH.

From information found here

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultimate_tensile_strength

Tensile Stength of a Diamond is 2,800 Mpa.

Now, here is the tricky part. That was Doffy's BASE Strings. What about these New Haki Coated Ones?

This is where we have to get into speculation, however, I want to make sure we stay reasonable.

Let's say his God Thread is 10 times the Strength of his Normal Thread. And, that Haki will increase that by another 10 times.

This will Low Ball by a bit.

Pascal x Volume = Energy

9222528000000 joules.

2204.23709369 tons.

Add that to the impact of Doff and we get...

1594002204.23709369 Tons

Small Island Level

Notes

Here are ALL the ways this is Low Balled.

-Low balling the Tensile Strength. -Low balling how much more durable God Thread is. -Low balling how much Haki increases durability by. -It still doesn't factor in the Web that he busted. -It still doesn't factor in the Force Needed to Overcome the Force of the God Thread Attack, ie, push through and maintain momentum and force.

 

[CinCameron20]

I am here to bump this because I'm curious of how accurate this is (and that I want my High 7-A Doflamingo). I also found that this KKG feat was Small Island.

Your assumption on the difference between Doflamingo's normal and haki state does not have facts to back it up especially given that Doflamingo is unknown to have used haki on his threads when he gripped Jozu, but he was capable of doing so with very little resistance on Jozu's part... the fact that he could slice thick bars of iron/steel and stone with single strands of threads could support this, though, BUT I do see it being a low-ball given that Doflamingo was harmed and even took considerable damage by Luffy's haki infused punch with no protection to his torso and that he considered a haki infused "Gomu Gomu No Bazooka" to be like a bug bite: http://www.***********.net/one-piece/759/15 , http://www.***********.net/one-piece/783/9

It also seems as though you forgot to include Spider Thread into the equation since it is a big defense factor (stopping Law's Tact (which is City+ according to VSbattles and OBD) and Luffy's Elephant Gun without stressing in both cases)

You'll likely have to have a low-end using Doflamingo's haki infused threads being somewhat stronger than Diamond while the high end remains the same result using his threads being multiple times stronger than Diamond.

Here is what we should have to go on about Doflamingo and Luffy's haki: Luffy's body is rubbery and should be assumed to be the same density (though it should be more sensible to use a regular human head as a way to calculate it). When hardening his head, he smashed a iron/steel shield (some translations call it iron while others state steel) with ease without putting a scratch on his head: http://www.***********.net/one-piece/637/4

Doflamingo clearly has superior armament haki given that he has been able to break Luffy's defenses whether he was injured via Gamma Knife or not: http://www.***********.net/one-piece/760/10 , http://www.***********.net/one-piece/782/9 , http://www.***********.net/one-piece/790/8

Either way, this should at least support 7-A Doflamingo and Luffy.

High 7-A seems almost certain if this calculation is accepted (even if it is downgraded somewhat) since the force that hit Doflamingo was not the full amount due to his threads mitigating KKG's full force somewhat.

Again, the strength being > Diamond is more than reasonable given that he full on cancelled Jozu's movement and held him down with his threads (and that Parasito seems to require piercing the target to actually manipulate them)

 

[CinCameron20]

To add on:

Now that I think about it more, it makes sense for his normal threads to be far stronger than steel and comparable to diamond given the slicing feats a single one showed and that Bird Cage, which didn't appear to have haki imbued, could slice through the whole country and the physical efforts from Zoro and Fujitora could not damage an individual thread from the cage in any way.

Edit:

Top sum it all up: I find the x100 multiplier to be somewhat ridiculous, and you are leaving out Spider Thread. The threads imbued with haki may be much stronger than diamonds, sure, but suggesting that his God Thread are stronger than his normal threads by 1000% is hiding an outlier. There is not enough information to suggest the AP of his God thread, but Spider Thread has a couple feats: stopping Law's Tact and Luffy's Elephant Gun.

Law's Tact versus Fujitora's Meteorite was calculated to carry 200+ MT kinetic energy of force: http://www.narutoforums.com/blog.php?b=20877 and Doflamingo stopped Law's Tact with Spider thread without budging.

It should also be noted that Doflamingo's basic thread swipes carry enough force to cancel out Law's Room Slashes (which carry a dozen+ megatons of force per swing).

 

[Antvasima]

@CinCameron20 This may be important for the calculation group to evaluate. Feel very free to ask them on their talk pages.

If the calculation is accepted it can be posted as a blog and linked to in Luffy's profile page.

 

[CinCameron20]

I am still trying to think about the multiplier and what would be more suitable... God Thread consists of 16 of Doflamingo's strands of threads that are imbued with haki, his normal threads were strong enough to hold back Jozu--who is practically a mass of Diamond.

It makes sense for his haki infused threads to be much stronger than Diamond given that Parasito affected Jozu's diamond body (from what we've been shown of Parasito, the threads need to pierce the skin of the victim. It would have had to pierce Jozu's diamond body to manipulate him: http://www.***********.net/one-piece/745/14).

Hmm... I'm going to go ask the calculation group right now.

 

[Alakabamm]

1) The large mountain calc you reference was rejected because the timeframe is wrong. It cannot be used.

2) We don't use random 100x modifiers and no, using a 100x modifier does not make the calc a lowball in any way

3) There isn't any justification for diamond usage

4) When you use tensile strength, you typically multiply by 0.75 at the very least because you are implying a shear strength conversion.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. It seems like this calculation cannot be used then.

 

[CinCameron20]

I'd search for a time frame since there are 3 scans in the manga showing Luffy's positions Before using KKG, after Doflamingo hit the city, and after Doflamingo hit the underground port but I simply do not know how to do Angsizing or how to properly do Pixel scaling. (it's also important that we have a size for the Flower hill to get Luffy's free-fall and Doflamingo's distance falling... I do not buy whoever said "Doflamingo fell 43 meters").

here are the 3 scans: http://www.***********.net/one-piece/790/15 , http://www.***********.net/one-piece/790/16 , http://www.***********.net/one-piece/791/2

The spider thread should be the focus for finding the proper angle to get Luffy's free-fall.

We'd have to look at the first two scans that have the Spider thread since it vanished in the third scan (and that the distance from the City's ground to the underground port is partially irrelevant)

... if you ask me, it looks like Luffy fell less than a meter's distance from the moment KKG was about to hit Doflamingo, but I'll leave that to whoever is willing to calc it since I don't know how.

edit: it also looks like the spiderthread's center was pushed down (like a trampoline) somewhat before it broke, so that could make things trickly when getting the distance.

 

[Gwynbleiddd]

1.What Alakabamm said.

2.Pascal X Volume = Energy

I think you mean pressure X Volume = energy ,but the formula is wrong.The formula is used with liquids and gasses for stuff that can't be used to find AP (ok one thing may be usable but it's a special case that has nothing to do with this calc).

Just because the units add up to make Joules doesn't mean it's right

For example torque's SI unit is N*m and Work = F*x and which means 1 N* 1 m = 1 Joule ,but that doesn't mean Torque can be used as a measurment of energy.

 

[CinCameron20]

I don't even think the person who made the calc even comes here... I'm pretty much trying to get a time-frame (but I dunno how) so yeah... please help me if you can !

 

[Antvasima]

Perhaps I should close this thread then? Sorry for bothering you about something like this.

 

[CinCameron20]

I would still like someone to find a time-frame using Luffy's free-fall from when he used KKG to when Doflamingo hit the ground since apparently it is required. The only tricky part I can see is adjusting the angle to get the actual distances. Again, I'd do it myself if I knew how.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, I doubt that the scale of the destruction alone would rate particularly high.

Anyway, I am closing this.