Possible Upgrade for Deathstroke Post Crisis?

[Antvasima]

Maybe, but I would prefer more input.

 

[Peter_"Quicksilver"_Maximoff]

I do have my concerns about Batman's durability feats. Like, why wasn't the hollowness accounted for when doing the calcs that had buildings(Including the train) in them? And for like one or two of those feats bruce wasn't even at the center of the explosion.

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

Just upgrade Batman!

 

[LordTracer]

Bump

 

[Peter_"Quicksilver"_Maximoff]

Yes bump

 

[Antvasima]

You should ask some of the following members to comment here:

Kepekley23, Matthew Schroeder, Zensum, C2 of Omego, Crimson Azoth, Eficiente, Qawsedf234, PrinceOfTheMorning, SuperAPM, Zark2099, ClassicNESfa.

 

[ClassicNESfan]

From what I can see, it looks like all of our justifications for Lady Shiva, Cassandra Cai, and Ravager rely on scaling above Batma (or Damie in Ravager's case) and scaling equivalent to each other and various 8-C characters. This meets all the criteria one would expect for a solidly 8-C character. Ant's point about the three characters being relatively small, thin women who should not logically scale to the 6'2 Olympic-bodied Batma has some serious merit to it, but the trope of 90 lb women kicking around muscleheads is pretty deeply ingrained in pop culture at this point. Is it realistic? No. But it happens often enough in fiction for us to give it a pass if the character is consistently shown as capable of doing that, I believe.

Either way, realistic or not, our wiki does have to follow a certain strand of logic. If the only justifications on their profiles are scaling above 9-A characters, scaling to each other, and scaling on par with 8-C characters, either they must be upgraded to 8-C or someone must provide some evidence that the 8-C feats are inconsistent with their usual showings. I am currently unaware of any such evidence, and as such, I support the movement to upgrade Lady Shiva, Cassandra Cai, and Ravager to 8-C.

 

[LordTracer]

Thank you for the response.

 

[ClassicNESfan]

Thank you for inviting me!

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you for the input. It should be fine to edit the profiles then.

 

[LordTracer]

Edits have been made.

 

[Peter_"Quicksilver"_Maximoff]

I do have my concerns about Batman's durability feats. Like, why wasn't the hollowness accounted for when doing the calcs that had buildings(Including the train) in them? And for like one or two of those feats bruce wasn't even at the center of the explosion.

.....

 

[Hellbeast1]

I'd note that depending on our stances, the characters taking lightning could help us out with the durability

 

[Antvasima]

So what is left to do here?

 

[Peter_"Quicksilver"_Maximoff]

For someone to reply back to my comment....which has yet to be addressed.

 

[Antvasima]

Well you can ask a few calc group members to comment here if you wish.

 

[DeathstroketheHedgehog]

These have already been evaluated earlier in the comment section of the same blog. Two of those have been rejected, one of them being the train feat, and the other three were accepted.

 

[Damage3245]

Can you list which calcs are accepted?

 

[DeathstroketheHedgehog]

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[Peter_"Quicksilver"_Maximoff]

Alex said this: https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3810255?useskin=oasis

 

[Peter_"Quicksilver"_Maximoff]

Bambi sad this also: https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3810253?useskin=oasis#6

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

So how would it affect Bats?

 

[Hellbeast1]

It could be higher or lower depending on the pixel scaling

Plus we'd have to figure out how much of the explosion Bruce was hit with (I'd laugh if this was an upgrade)

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Wait were the Marvel and DC "Street level" characters all downgraded to 9-A or what? I remember they were higher before lmao.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Actually, I vaguely remember a downgrade thread...

 

[Hellbeast1]

They used to be 8-C based on Katana's Kinetic Energy but revisions put them down at 9-A+

Though I might be able to upgrade them back up but I'll wait for the Explosion revisions since it kinda relies on that)

It'll be across the board tho

 

[Antvasima]

The lower Marvel character tiers were based on very unreliable calculations.

 

[Hellbeast1]

Who mentioned Marvel

Also the calcs seemed fine (consistency was the issue)

 

[Antvasima]

Spino mentioned it.

 

[LarrySmith123]

Well, Cass and Shiva are already 'At least 9-A, likely 8-C.' Their 'At least 9-A' comes from Cass outmatching Deathstroke twice and being more skilled than Batman. If Deathstroke gets 8-C, I think it would make more sense to just make them 8-C, as Cass is consistently shown to be Slade's superior, and Shiva is relative to her.

Deathstroke only outmatched Batman once, twice if you count the same fight as two due to Batman getting up to be beaten again but severely injuring Deathstroke to the point he got beaten later on by a random person. Batman also outmatched Shiva before.

Cassendra while losing her ability to predict fighter's moves got easily defeated by Batman, which means that her skill was what put her above Bats, not her strength.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/24850/580560-571716_58119_batcd1_122_19lo_super.jpg

 

[LordTracer]

Batman literally says her defense is the problem and her offense is fine, so...

 

[LarrySmith123]

Batman literally says her defense is the problem and her offense is fine, so...

Which still means her skill is the thing that allows her to fight on par or above, not her physical ability. If she gets defeated easily simply by losing her skill itself.

If Batman says that her defense is the problem and her offense is fine, then wouldn't that just mean her attack potency isn't what gives her the edge to begin with?

 

[LordTracer]

That's not even close to what that means. It means she doesn't have good defense without her body reading, because she's never had to actually focus on having a good defense. Also even without her body reading, Cass still outmatched Deathstroke, so...

 

[Peter_"Quicksilver"_Maximoff]

Can someone help redo the calcs per mentioned above.

 

[Hellbeast1]

If you like I can check with some people/put it on the requests thread when I wake up

 

[KLOL506]

As far as I can see Bambu only said to re-do the KE thing and both he and Alex said that the explosion calcs were fine with Batman being at the center and all and fragmentation not playing any part in explosion calcs (As we use explosion radius formulae instead)

 

[Peter_"Quicksilver"_Maximoff]

If you like I can check with some people/put it on the requests thread when I wake up

Thanks

 

[Peter_"Quicksilver"_Maximoff]

As far as I can see Bambu only said to re-do the KE thing and both he and Alex said that the explosion calcs were fine with Batman being at the center and all and fragmentation not playing any part in explosion calcs (As we use explosion radius formulae instead)

Where did they say that?

 

[KLOL506]

In the links you posted where you talked to them: here and here

 

[KLOL506]

NVM, I misread, but I think I might be able to do something about them yet.

Also it seems that they're only talking about the big red explosion with a tiny little guy in it. Which is definitely not Batman (Seeing as the guy has a belt dangling on him, while Batman does not).